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A List of Hacker News's Undocumented Features and Behaviors (2018-20)

335 pointsby rdpintqogeogsaaabout 4 years ago

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sammorrowdrumsabout 4 years ago
&gt; If a user has 251 Karma, they can set the color of the top bar in their profile settings. The default is #ff6600. Here&#x27;s the complete set of colors users have set.<p>It&#x27;s so close, why isn&#x27;t the required karma 256?
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shubik22about 4 years ago
This is a really useful list, thanks for putting this together.<p>I was briefly shadow-banned a month or two ago, due to a few submissions of posts on my personal blog from this account (and not much else).<p>What was odd was that when I looked at the &quot;newest&quot; page while logged in, I saw my post on HN but when I looked when not logged in, the post didn&#x27;t show up. I didn&#x27;t know shadowbanning existed and thought there was some kind of issue with HN, so I emailed hn@ycombinator.com. dang@ sent back an incredibly thorough and thoughtful reply literally 3 minutes later (this was at 7:15 p.m. on a week night).<p>So while I find it a little odd to 1) shadowban someone without telling them why and 2) intentionally obfuscate the fact that they&#x27;ve been banned by making it seem to them like their submission was successfully submitted, I was really amazed by the care and efficiency of dang&#x27;s response. So thanks dang!
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dangabout 4 years ago
Getting less undocumented every year:<p><i>A List of Hacker News&#x27;s Undocumented Features and Behaviors (2018)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23439437" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23439437</a> - June 2020 (266 comments)<p><i>A List of Hacker News&#x27;s Undocumented Features and Behaviors</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20292361" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20292361</a> - June 2019 (25 comments)<p><i>A List of Hacker News&#x27;s Undocumented Features and Behaviors</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19212822" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19212822</a> - Feb 2019 (183 comments)<p><i>Hacker News&#x27;s Undocumented Features and Behaviors</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16437973" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16437973</a> - Feb 2018 (391 comments)
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JulianRaphaelabout 4 years ago
dang - are there any features for making HN more accessible? A vision-impaired colleague of mine wanted to check out HN today and made me aware that the contrasts on HN make it really hard for people with impaired vision to read on HN (webaim.org confirms this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webaim.org&#x2F;resources&#x2F;contrastchecker&#x2F;?fcolor=919191&amp;bcolor=F6F6F0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;webaim.org&#x2F;resources&#x2F;contrastchecker&#x2F;?fcolor=919191&amp;...</a>). Using his screen reader (NVDA) didn&#x27;t help much as the front page doesn&#x27;t seem to take into account screen reading software. Has someone built a more accessible version of HN? Also, does the HN team plan to make HN more accessible in the future?
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shoto_ioabout 4 years ago
This is super neat. Not only for beginners&#x2F;intermediate to catch up with documented and undocumented features. But also for platforms who are seeking a better moderation approach. For me, HN is a very special place - the way people interact, the way that it is moderated. I still dream that other platforms might follow suit someday.
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meyabout 4 years ago
It makes me unreasonably happy that FFOOFF is far up the top color list. Apparently it seems to be hard to Google, but for those who don&#x27;t know, prior to wide spread support for alpha channels, FF00FF was one of the colors commonly used for bitmap transparency. Not exactly a commonly used color and exceptionally obvious when working with a sprite sheet.<p>Edit: You can probably guess what my banner is set to.
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janvdbergabout 4 years ago
I never understood how the vote counts works (the number that is added to your profile). It&#x27;s certainly not lineair with the submission upvotes and it even seems to slow down over time (i.e. you need more votes to add 100 points to your profile)?
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systemvoltageabout 4 years ago
I wish there was a feature that doesn&#x27;t grey out the comments for a couple of hours until everybody has gotten a chance to vote. As it stands currently, a <i>single</i> person downvoting a new comment from +1 to 0 leads to a slightly grey comment. People here usually see this and form an implicit bias. I&#x27;ve seen comments that are perfectly reasonable, has no opinion, it is on topic, and follows guidelines and yet it gets downvoted. I am conjecturing that it is because of this bandwagoning effect.<p>Look into this please. Greying out comments is fine. Just let some time pass, even 30 mins would be a huge improvement. Alternatively, allow minimum 2-3 people to vote before greying out comments.
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yamrzouabout 4 years ago
One of the unintended consequences of domain shadowbanning is that sometimes quality content gets buried. Which is an unfortunate trade-off, given the amout of spam content from such domains.<p>For example, here are some recent articles from <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to</a> that were submitted multiple times by different users, but were dead because the domain is shadowbanned:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to&#x2F;kprotty&#x2F;understanding-atomics-and-memory-ordering-2mom" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to&#x2F;kprotty&#x2F;understanding-atomics-and-memory-orde...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to&#x2F;yyx990803&#x2F;announcing-vite-2-0-2f0a" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to&#x2F;yyx990803&#x2F;announcing-vite-2-0-2f0a</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to&#x2F;jaredcwhite&#x2F;why-tailwind-isn-t-for-me-5c90" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to&#x2F;jaredcwhite&#x2F;why-tailwind-isn-t-for-me-5c90</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to&#x2F;lazerwalker&#x2F;using-game-design-to-make-virtual-events-more-social-24o" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to&#x2F;lazerwalker&#x2F;using-game-design-to-make-virtual...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to&#x2F;nwtgck&#x2F;the-power-of-pure-http-screen-share-real-time-messaging-ssh-and-vnc-5ghc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to&#x2F;nwtgck&#x2F;the-power-of-pure-http-screen-share-re...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to&#x2F;bkolobara&#x2F;writing-rust-the-elixir-way-2lm8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dev.to&#x2F;bkolobara&#x2F;writing-rust-the-elixir-way-2lm8</a>
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ro_bitabout 4 years ago
I never knew that there was a second moderator! (sctb)<p>Their comment history only has some comments from 2019, and is much shorter than dangs. Did they only have a short stint as a moderator on HN, or do they now work from another account&#x2F;behind the scenes?
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ehersheyabout 4 years ago
The most interesting stuff is toward the bottom. I found this fascinating and unintuitive:<p>&gt; Downranking of Tutorials<p>&gt; HN submissions which are tutorials are downranked by moderators, as they gratify intellectual curiosity less.
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dredmorbiusabout 4 years ago
I believe that explicit banning is also now indicated. I&#x27;d requested something like this for long-since-shadowbanned users whose ban event was hidden in the distant mists of time (or who are sockpuppets of banned profiles). This is rare, but does occur.<p>Also can apply to spammers -- this is usually relevant on submissions &#x2F; new queue.<p>The YC-company bias can also apply to <i>negative</i> reporting on YC companies, which is <i>less</i> moderated as something of a counter to charges of favouratism. See:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=false&amp;query=by%3Adang%20moderate%20less%20not%20more%20yc&amp;sort=byDate&amp;type=comment" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn.algolia.com&#x2F;?dateRange=all&amp;page=0&amp;prefix=false&amp;qu...</a><p>Including from this thread: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26868116" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=26868116</a>
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thinkingemoteabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;d add the red top bar for Christmas as an Easter Egg (... or a Christmas Egg?)
splittingTimesabout 4 years ago
apropos undocumented:<p>Can I limit HNs search functionality to only include my favorites?<p>I often know I favoured something but for the life of me cannot find it via normal search and going through my hundreds of favorites by hand is impractical.
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ChrisArchitectabout 4 years ago
(2018) maybe<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19212822" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19212822</a><p>and discussion less than a year ago: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23439437" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23439437</a>
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canada_dryabout 4 years ago
So, um... what are the &quot;noprocrast maxvisit minaway and delay&quot; options on the user profile setting screen for??<p>I&#x27;m guessing they <i>are</i> documented, but I&#x27;m too lazy to find&#x2F;read. ;)
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qw3rty01about 4 years ago
Was the period removed? I remember a few months ago, there would be a `.` after the post age if it was the user&#x27;s most recent post. Looks like it&#x27;s not there anymore though.
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codybabout 4 years ago
Certainly some familiar names on the top 100 accounts ranked by karma totals but seeing the username “toomuchtodo” with some 48,000 internet points gave me a pretty good grin.
nextaccounticabout 4 years ago
What&#x27;s the difference between downvoting a comment and flagging a comment?<p>I ask because I don&#x27;t have 501 karma and I can flag a comment (but not downvote).
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theturnabout 4 years ago
&gt; Accounts which are less than 2 weeks old will appear with a green username.<p>I thought they were &quot;approved&quot; users.
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seumarsabout 4 years ago
Not sure why downvoting would require a minimum point score other than to discourage lurkers (like me) to lazily engage in discussions (even though I believe voting is in fact engaging). This added to the fact that the HN crowd is notorious for downvoting unpopular or even slightly pessimistic comments sounds to me like forced positivity.
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MichaelMoser123about 4 years ago
another undocumented feature: HN shows me all of my flagged submissions when i am logged in, when viewing anonymous it shows me only one flagged submission - but that one got 114 comments before it got flagged. is this a bug or is it a feature?
elorantabout 4 years ago
Here&#x27;s a thing I don&#x27;t like and it&#x27;s not mentioned in the list. If I submit a story I can&#x27;t downvote on any of the top level comments. Why is that?
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ultamattabout 4 years ago
This was very helpful. Thank you!
hn_throwaway_99about 4 years ago
&gt; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;minimaxir&#x2F;hacker-news-undocumented#implicit-downranking-of-topics-around-diversity-and-inclusion" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;minimaxir&#x2F;hacker-news-undocumented#implic...</a><p>Disagree with this section, especially since it is basically presenting an opinion as fact in the same class as other verifiable facts on this post.<p>My own anecdote, but I find that diversity and inclusion posts that have a tendency to get downvoted are ones where you can see the flame war coming from a mile away: the post offers little in actual new data, so then you have 2 &quot;sides&quot; arguing and talking past each other, primarily because both sides are unwilling to acknowledge that it is possible that both of these can simultaneously be true: (a) women and minorities experience discrimination in tech, both overt and subconscious, and (b) other factors besides sex or race discrimination can account for different rates of participation in tech.<p>On the contrary, in my experience, posts that offer detailed new information around diversity in tech tend to be highly upvoted (the original Susan Fowler post about Uber was one such example).
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kirrikioabout 4 years ago
I like the feature of green usernames
deanCommieabout 4 years ago
&gt; Implicit Downranking of Topics Around Diversity and Inclusion &gt; Likewise, topics around diversity and inclusion in tech have gained lots of visibility over the past few years. However, despite these discussions not being off-topic, they tend to be flagged to death by users regardless. Unfortunately. (Moderators occasionally unkill such threads if they see it in time, although it rarely sticks).<p>This is a very interesting subject. I would dare say that the majority of technologists (by pure numbers) find the human, philosophical, and psychological impacts of technology less interesting than the pure technical considerations. (Older and more senior technologists gravitate in the opposite direction)<p>Yet, the most interesting and in-depth hackernews discussions directly touch up on privacy, censorship, employee motivation, the entrepreneurial mindset, managerial skills and lack therefor, regulation, corporate responsibility. All of these are strictly &quot;on-topic&quot; by the definition on <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html</a>:<p>&gt; On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one&#x27;s intellectual curiosity.<p>So clearly, this community is passionate and interested in a wide range of &quot;fuzzy&quot; non-STEM subjects.<p>Yet when it comes to D&amp;I, the community is primarily disinterested and not intellectually curious, or has already concluded that anyone who IS interested is pushing a purely <i>&quot;political&quot;</i> agenda. Therefore, the only &quot;interesting&quot; stories that get upvoted are those that butt against the current cultural movement (e.g. defending James Damore, RMS, etc).<p>I am personally very intellectually curious about this very pattern, but I appear to be in the minority.<p>I wonder if people on HackerNews are aware that a huge percentage of female and minority engineers that I know find the HN community discussions completely disreputable and unappealing. And it&#x27;s a direct consequence of how they treat these subjects as &quot;uninteresting&quot; and &quot;off topic&quot;, because to the dominant in-group these subjects are just not relevant.<p>Personally, as a technologist, a &quot;hacker&quot; (Whatever that may mean, but i identify strongly with <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hacker_culture" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hacker_culture</a>), I consider this blind spot in this community a &quot;bug&quot;. I don&#x27;t know if it&#x27;s a fixable one, as any attempts to mitigate it would clearly be perceived as intrusion and a restriction on the individual freedoms of expression. But the status quo is the status quo, to the point that even this manual of undocumented &quot;features and behaviours&quot; has to call it out.
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xqyfabout 4 years ago
&gt; If the comment desaturation makes Hacker News difficult to read<p>...then make it accessible. Sighted users do not have to click a timestamp or install extensions to have legible text. Why should the visually impaired?<p>The extension linked to does nothing to improve the legibility of &quot;X points by Y 30 minutes ago...&quot; or &quot;help&quot; etc either.
Nacdorabout 4 years ago
Unable to reply to comments -- edited to remove.<p>Response to dang: I disagree with the no-delete policy (our comments are ours and we should have the ability to delete them), but more importantly I refuse to leave a comment up when my ability to reply has been disabled.
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theknockerabout 4 years ago
&gt;There&#x27;s a mod who curates comments based on what&#x27;s politically expedient according to leftist valley dweebs
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Layke1123about 4 years ago
I have noticed a lot of the downvotong of things critical of YCombinator and it&#x27;s bias against topics it doesn&#x27;t like. I even have emails where the moderator or employee refuses to acknowledge or explain why I was downvoted and not others. It was eye opening that experience and reading this list doesn&#x27;t surprise me. Everyone has an agenda.
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Nacdorabout 4 years ago
Edited: Nevermind, I guess HN users prefer to remain unaware of certain undocumented behavior.<p>To dang: I disagree with the no-delete policy (our comments are ours and we should have the ability to delete them), but more importantly I refuse to leave a comment up when my ability to reply has been disabled.
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tediousdemiseabout 4 years ago
This begs the question: why were these features undocumented, and left to an unpaid volunteer to weed out?<p>The combined valuation of the top YC companies was over US$300 billion as of January 2021. Certainly their news aggregator could get a little bit of love.
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teddyhabout 4 years ago
This does not seem to cover HN’s silent rate-limits, apparently for selected “troublemakers”: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20997593" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20997593</a><p>This is what seems to cause “You&#x27;re posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks.” to appear for up to <i>two hours</i>. Fittingly, I had to wait two hours to post this comment.
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Causality1about 4 years ago
It needs a section on muting. If you receive too many downvotes in a certain time frame you&#x27;ll find yourself muted for a while and get a &quot;you&#x27;re posting too fast&quot; message when you try to comment. This can be triggered well after the comments were made. For example, if you you have a discussion thread where you have four or five comments they can sit on 1 even overnight but if you come back the next day to find the tide has turned and all of them are in the negatives you&#x27;ll probably be muted for a few hours.<p>This is why it can be smart to take the temperature of the crowd before replying to a thread. Your liability for a bad opinion or picking the wrong side scales linearly with the number of comments.
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