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Facebook approves alcohol, vaping and gambling ads targeting 13-17 year olds

173 pointsby AFlyingBoomabout 4 years ago

19 comments

jollybeanabout 4 years ago
Without a link to the actual report, which hopefully contains more information, anyone who&#x27;s ever spent $5 running a campaign on FB would know this is a little suspicious.<p>You can upload content to your hearts content, but ads are not actually &#x27;approved&#x27; until they running.<p>And there&#x27;s no way to actually &#x27;target&#x27; without running an ad ... which they didn&#x27;t do ... so ...<p>If they were looking for hard evidence, they could have in fact put $5 into FB, and put the ad &#x27;live&#x27; and simply taken it down once it was approved, but before it received any views (though technically that might not be perfectly possible, it is pragmatically possible).<p>It&#x27;s possible to mine data sets, and do queries on userbase behaviours etc, but none of that would be in the context of a specific ad being run. I think this is also what the article alludes to, and it crosses streams with the other part of the story and probably causes confusion.<p>All of that aside, the notion that FB, a $800B company is going to risk that by blatantly running ads for alcohol to minors where it is clearly illegal kind of defies the logic of a very self-interested entity like Facebook.<p>How much money would they make from that, while risking sanctions and major fallout? Probably almost none, as the buyers of ads would probably be doing something illegal, how many breweries are going to be running ads to 14 year olds? Basically none, so there&#x27;s no money in this activity, and only downside.<p>More appropriately, it would help the case if someone, somewhere in Australia actually found FB ads that are targeting children.<p>Finally, there is <i>nowhere them to hide</i>, making the claims a little more suspicious. Everyone on the planet, can right now (including you reading this), pop open Facebook, upload an ad and try to run it. Judge, police, regulators, you, me, anyone in the world can just &#x27;see for ourselves&#x27; at a moments notice, at any time, with less than 5 minutes without any need for complicated research - find out if FB is really enabling vaping ads to teenagers. It seems odd that something so illegal would be so out in the open, visible to everyone.<p>Edit: not &#x27;defending&#x27; FB here, just calling out what I see as possibly a big inconsistency and problems with truthiness.<p>I&#x27;ve never been a fan of Facebook, I loathed them from the start, but facts are facts, and this story does not pass the smell test, we&#x27;ll need to see more data.<p>There are probably a ton of legit things to deal with on FB, I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt they are running vaping ads to kids.
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aierouabout 4 years ago
I think it&#x27;s important to recognize that Reset Australia is a traditional media lobby group, and that this report amounts to a zero-day attack on Facebook&#x27;s automated advertising system. Facebook would never choose to advertise these products to children for a variety of reasons. Reading the sentiment in this thread, when exactly did we create the expectation that Facebook (or any social media entity) must execute as a perfect moral system?
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tbwritingabout 4 years ago
Drinking harms the adolescent brain.<p>Why comment about how “it’s legal there” or “teens already do it” or “it’s really the advertisers’ fault”? Where does defending Facebook’s behavior get you?
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echlebekabout 4 years ago
My prediction: there will never be a bottom for facebook.
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edoceoabout 4 years ago
this part seems important:<p>&quot;&quot;Citing ethical concerns, Reset Australia did not pay for the advertisements and they did not run on the Facebook platform, but the group believes they had passed the company&#x27;s internal checks&quot;&quot;
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adamsvystunabout 4 years ago
While it is obviously unethical, is advertising alcohol, vaping and gambling to 13-17 year olds illegal in Australia?<p>Asking because I am not sure if Facebook should be making the shots here on what is legal or illegal to advertise. This is best handled through government.
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akomtuabout 4 years ago
Pension funds demand more profits, FB complies and sells teenagers (i.e. the nation&#x27;s future) to the alcohol and gambling industry. This is pretty much what America is about these days: the top 1% is milking the bottom 50% and hardly anybody cares about the future.
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magnetowasrightabout 4 years ago
Shameful that the ABC doesn’t know the difference between <i>teenager’s</i> and <i>teenagers’</i>.<p>The article briefly mentions that the relatively restrictive laws around traditional advertising haven’t kept up with social media. I think that should be the focus of the article; we know companies (including those wanting to advertise and advertisement platforms) will do absolutely everything they are not forbidden from doing if it brings them more money. They might still do the forbidden things anyway if the punishment isn’t substantial. They won’t stop doing this out of the goodness of their pockets, I mean hearts. It’s an unfortunate reality for most of us, but it’s how things work currently.<p>We should be holding our politicians accountable for their total lack of digital awareness and their general willingness to prioritise money and power over their constituents. With the Murdoch media profiting from and controlling the narrative, the ABC is one major outlet that might be able to switch people on to these issues, but they turn out this ungrammatical drivel instead.
t-writescodeabout 4 years ago
I wonder if this is automated. Somebody wants to advertise _something_ to a demographic and Facebook doesn&#x27;t have any sort of checks in place; or, they do have checks, but the ads lie about it and Facebook doesn&#x27;t validate it.<p>I wonder how many requests for advertising to a given group they have. I imagine it&#x27;s a scary high number.
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devenblakeabout 4 years ago
The first smoking rejected vs approved ad figure showed two pictures of people with smoke coming out of their mouths rejected and then one picture of someone holding an electric cigarette that was approved. The e-cig wasn&#x27;t recognizeable to me, I&#x27;m not sure if those are great comparisons.<p>And with the second figure - with the gambling, drinking, and dating ads, I don&#x27;t really get how the final one could be construed absolutely as a dating ad. &quot;Find your gentleman&quot; could be a service for connecting polite but lonely friends.<p>If these are representative of ads that they got approved and disapproved I think their methodology was flawed. It would be easier to look at examples of advertisements that explicitly minor-owned accounts actually saw on their feed that advertise adult services.
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edoceoabout 4 years ago
I hope this means they&#x27;ll re-eval their policy on 21+ cannabis related ads. huge market potential
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nemo44xabout 4 years ago
Pass laws to make it illegal to advertise to people under 18.<p>We somehow expect FB to arbitrate but that’s just not possible. It isn’t even their fault in the end - they operate within legal boundaries.<p>We should make it unlawful to advertise to people under 18 and prosecute offenders, harshly.
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condomhacker2about 4 years ago
Shouldn’t they be blaming the advertisers instead of Facebook?<p>Facebook has too many things to look at from pornography, violence, cornona virus, election integrity and now even this?
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spicyramenabout 4 years ago
People without kids probably agree to this
threesmegisteabout 4 years ago
I think some paying fb haters out there. All Similar allegations are made much more often by other social media networks. someone is hiding something.
carpedimebagjoeabout 4 years ago
Unsurprising because FB is all about maximizing profits at society&#x27;s expense. They&#x27;d happily get into human trafficking and child prostitution if they could get away with it. At this point, they have instead created hundreds of millions of attention addicts, outrage consumers, and manufactured sentiments for the purposes of commercial advertising. Oh, and the occasional genocide [0].<p>It&#x27;s also curious that, to this day, cigarette companies target children even younger in developing nations. This also is terrible.<p>0. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-asia-46105934" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-asia-46105934</a>
TedShillerabout 4 years ago
Why? Because money
fallingknifeabout 4 years ago
I guess I just don&#x27;t really care if teenagers are doing the same things I did as a teenager.
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xkeysc0reabout 4 years ago
I don&#x27;t think there should be a minimum legal age for any of these activities. It&#x27;s beyond clear that coddling helicopter government invoked disastrous consequences for Western society
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