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Nicholas Wade: Origin of Covid – Following the Clues

54 pointsby themgtabout 4 years ago

9 comments

remarkEonabout 4 years ago
&gt;It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr. Daszak’s organization funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”<p>This is the first I&#x27;m hearing of Mr. Daszak, and I think the Lancet has some explaining to do for why they would declare something like this. There&#x27;s a lot to unpack in this essay, but perhaps at a higher level we have a major problem with how mainstream publications report on science. I get it that a pandemic has stressed all these institutions to their breaking point, but it&#x27;s now pretty clear to me that what I was reading in March of 2020 about the origins of the virus was not only not verifiably true, but was possibly intentionally misleading, or a coordinated misdirection campaign. It&#x27;s possible the journalists writing these stories didn&#x27;t know it at the time, but in hindsight it feels like they got used.
garyclarke27about 4 years ago
Excellent article, no doubt in my mind it was a lab escape and the fact is that Dr Fauci helped fund this appalling irresponsible “gain of function research”, so he’s partly responsible for this historical calamity.
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Jeema101about 4 years ago
Here&#x27;s a question I have:<p>Given a pandemic (past, present, or future, doesn&#x27;t matter) won&#x27;t the causal pathogen <i>always</i> look like it&#x27;s been impossibly &quot;well tuned&quot; to infect humans?<p>I suspect in most cases it would. Otherwise a pandemic would never have occurred to begin with, right?
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jquaintabout 4 years ago
This post (whether intentionally or not) is misinterpreting some of the evidence it presents.<p>For example it gives this example research grant as evidence for chimeric viruses being made in the Wuhan lab. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reporter.nih.gov&#x2F;search&#x2F;xQW6UJmWfUuOV01ntGvLwQ&#x2F;project-details&#x2F;9491676" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;reporter.nih.gov&#x2F;search&#x2F;xQW6UJmWfUuOV01ntGvLwQ&#x2F;proje...</a><p>This is actually pretty standard virology grant. Nowhere does it say that they are making chimeric viruses. Note that &quot;S protein sequence data, infectious clone technology, in vitro and in vivo infection experiments&quot; is not even close to &quot;Creating chimeric viruses&quot;. This is not the same thing and it would not be rational to compare the two.<p>The posts claim that: &quot;What this means, in non-technical language, is that Dr. Shi set out to create novel coronaviruses with the highest possible infectivity for human cells. &quot;. That is simply false, they are collecting and testing viruses. They were not creating new ones.<p>This post also tries to claim that these researches had been doing genetic engineering in past work because of this paper: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;nm.3985" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;nm.3985</a><p>Note that Nature added an editors note here: &quot;30 March 2020 Editors’ note, March 2020: We are aware that this article is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus.&quot;<p>Also note that the Wuhan lab is actually 5th author on this paper. In big publications like this order of authors is very important. 5th author usually means that they had a very minor role in the work. I.e a consulting role. This is compounded by the fact that only 2 people from the Wuhan lab worked on this paper.<p>It is actually more likely that the &quot;genetic engineering&quot; took place at the University of North Carolina and not in Wuhan. The paper lists a 9 people on the project in the US. Usually the people who do the actual lab work get first author.<p>Even further what about the 9 other virology labs that are on list? They have about the same amount of contributions to this paper? Why are they not suspect?<p>In my opinion these are some pretty key details to leave out, especially from a science journalist who should not be hiding some of the key facts here.
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m0lluskabout 4 years ago
&gt; It matters a great deal which is the case if we hope to prevent a second such occurrence.<p>No, it doesn&#x27;t, and that is the whole point. Natural propagation of viruses should have delivered something like this to us long ago and will keep doing that. If Chinese labs were involved then they may stay involved and no amount of tut tut from other nations will change that. We need to adapt to a world with dangerous viruses either way.
hanklazardabout 4 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.independentsciencenews.org&#x2F;commentaries&#x2F;a-proposed-origin-for-sars-cov-2-and-the-covid-19-pandemic&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.independentsciencenews.org&#x2F;commentaries&#x2F;a-propos...</a><p>This blog post from last year was also persuasive to me.
gatacaabout 4 years ago
Excellent write up. Have yet to read an actual rebuttal of this argument.
stephc_int13about 4 years ago
It all started with a slight wording error.<p>&quot;Clearly not manipulated&quot; should have been &#x27;Not clearly manipulated&quot;
grooneabout 4 years ago
Very carefully researched but sensational article. Has this been shadowbanned from homepage?