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Photography Is "Copying;" More Fallout from Maisel vs. Baio

107 pointsby secretwhistlealmost 14 years ago

20 comments

grellasalmost 14 years ago
The issues here can be argued endlessly without resolution because the only definitive way to resolve a fair-use dispute where the issues are close is to take it to trial in a federal court.<p>17 U.S.C. sec. 107 provides that, "in determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include [four factors]" (which factors are the "purpose and character of the work" (including whether it is commercial or non-profit), the "nature of the copyrighted work," "the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole," and the "effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." These factors represent the so-called 4-part test used by courts to determine whether an allegedly infringing use is "fair use" or not.<p>These factors constituting the broad legal test for fair use are very general and can apply in a thousand different ways and combinations to different facts. What is worse, the four statutory factors, though first <i>codified</i> by Congress in the 1976 Copyright Act, had first been developed by courts long before that and were never the exclusive factors to be used in making a fair-use determination. Thus, when Congress codified them, it specifically provided that the fair-use determination was to "include" those factors but was not to be limited to them. Thus, the legal test was deliberately kept vague and was all along intended to be left for final determination, case-by-case, in the courts.<p>Given this legal landscape, anyone who wants to take a copyrighted work and transform it to a new use even while copying it in whole or in part risks an infringement suit and, the closer to the legal line the copying gets, the greater risk that a lawsuit will be filed and will need to be defended all the way to trial (with a substantial 6-figure price tag being inevitable in such a case - see <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2688599" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2688599</a>). This is because fair use is not a bar to a lawsuit; it is merely an affirmative defense that one can try to stand upon in defending against an infringement action. In defending, though, you also run the risk of losing on the merits and so you run the risk not only of having to incur hundreds of thousands in legal fees but also that of having to pay huge statutory damages should you lose the case.<p>That is the dilemma in which Mr. Baio found himself. He believed himself right. But he had no way to test it short of incurring large lawyer costs and liability risks. Nor can he ever win the "case" definitively in a court of public opinion because it is too close. He <i>does</i> have a compelling argument (his work can readily be argued to have independent artistic value and to be transformative and not in any way supplanting any market opportunity available to Mr. Maisel). But there is no way to definitively refute the equally compelling argument that Mr. Maisel can make (a substantial part of his work was used, or at least the "heart" of it and the aesthetic additions do not - he would argue - truly transform a work that remains primarily imitative in quality). Yes, good lawyers can sharpen and refine these arguments to the nth degree and that is where the 6-figure price tags come in. Of course, the only way to test who is right is through a trial. And, there being no practical way to get to a trial, the issue will remain unresolvable.<p>Note that a legislative solution to this type of issue is possible. Just as the fair-use statute explicitly says that one form of fair use is for "criticism," it might also say that it is a fair use to take a photograph and to do a pixelated rendering of it that adds artistic elements. Law can always be defined this way if desired. But, just as one does not code well by addressing only a specific case where a broader algorithmic solution is possible, one also does not normally pass laws to deal with isolated, individual cases where broad principles can govern a broad swath of cases. Copyright applies to countless situations and the fair use rules are broad and general. Given this, a dispute such as this will always prove frustrating to litigants and those with deep pockets will inevitably have the advantage.
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thaumaturgyalmost 14 years ago
I would love to hear an opinion on photographing "The Bean" from a photographer that's defending Maisel.<p>("The Bean" is a sculpture in a public park which is protected by copyright and, therefore, illegal to take a photograph of. This seems absurd to most people, including photographers. More: <a href="http://newurbanist.blogspot.com/2005/01/copyrighting-of-public-space.html" rel="nofollow">http://newurbanist.blogspot.com/2005/01/copyrighting-of-publ...</a>)<p>I wonder if there are photographers that would argue that it should be OK to photograph a copyrighted sculpture <i>and</i> that it should not be OK for another artist to create a derivative work from a photograph ... that would be an interesting argument to hear.
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thegooleyalmost 14 years ago
An interesting viewpoint, but I think the differentiation here lies in the degree of "artistic" creation. Put 10 photographers in a room with Miles Davis and you'll get 10 pretty distinct photographs of the man. Have 10 people create a pixelated version of a photograph, and you'll have 10 pretty similar results.<p>Creating a pixelated version of this photograph is more akin to taking a photograph of the Mona Lisa - sure you can get a cool angle or do it with infrared film to get a different color palate, but it's still a picture of someone else's original work. You wouldn't say that the Miles Davis cover photo is "based on a Miles Davis concert", but rather it was created _at_ a Miles Davis concert.<p>Similarly, in music, remixing a song can be a very creative process - but it is still a derivative work in that it wouldn't exist without the original which was created "from scratch".<p>(Disclosure: I am/was a photographer who used to earn a living solely from licensing my photos for editorial purposes)<p>Edit: I'm not attempting to discuss copyright laws (which are pretty clear), but rather the philosophy and justification behind the creation and copying of artistic works.
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kenjacksonalmost 14 years ago
There are people that look like Miles Davis in that picture. If I take a picture of one of them, in the same looking clothes (although certainly not exactly the same) holding a similar trumpet, with similar lighting, would that violate copyright? At a quick glance maybe indistinguishable. At closer side by side inspection, any amateur investigator could spot the differences.
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ajaysalmost 14 years ago
I am really disappointed in the reaction of Maisel, and other photographers who're supporting the result of the lawsuit. <i>Even if</i> Baio copied the image pixel-by-pixel, what harm was done? Did anybody buy the Bloop because of the album artwork? Or because of the music? Come on, people! Show some common sense! A fine of a few 100 dollars would have been enough.<p>On a tangential note: this is well worth a watch: <a href="http://www.everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series/" rel="nofollow">http://www.everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series/</a> No wonder pop music today is so crappy.
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headShrinkeralmost 14 years ago
I publish software as software developer, publish music as a musician, and 'copy' as photographer... publishing rights are on the top of my mind every time something of mine goes live.<p>The writer tries to make a valid comparison between taking a picture, and taking an already created already popular picture and modifying it. There are a lot of variables involved process of taking a previously published picture and copying it, the writer want us to believe, the variables make it original. If the two art forms were comparable you could take that famous, extraordinary picture of Miles again, just like I could recreate that pixelated pic of the picture of Miles again. There are many problems with this: one, Miles is dead, two, the best photographer could not catch that moment at that time because one thing about photography is every shot is one in a billion trillion, no two shots are the same. Other problems with this comparison go on and on.<p>If you wanted to extend that metaphor to music, 'there are only 88 keys on piano. Every song written is copying some sampling of those 88 keys. No need for music composition copyright anymore.' Obviously, this is not the case. Yet, sampling a segment from a song to use in your song is usually obvious to the listener and is commonly and 'easily' fought in court. photography is not copying and if you think it is, I will hand you my camera, and ask you to take that picture again.
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Dramatizealmost 14 years ago
Do the people arguing that Baio stole the image also argue that photographers who take photos of building are stealing the architects designs?<p>Isn't it the same thing?
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aidenn0almost 14 years ago
Photographs are protected not because of the artistic choices per-se (since there are artistic choices e.g. of a model posing as well) but because it is in a fixed form.<p>A live performance is not copyrightable, but a video recording of a live performance is. Even if there was no significant artistic choice in the setup: for example, if you setup a camera on a tripod so that the entire stage is in view and record it, you've got something copyrightable.
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DannoHungalmost 14 years ago
I wish that there was a place where, as an experiment, intellectual property was entirely disallowed. No trademarks, no patents, no copyrights, no trade secrets, nothin'. Just to see what happened.
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zwiebackalmost 14 years ago
From a photography point of view I can see both sides of the argument, even though the article says it's not just a pixelation filter to me it's not modified enough to see any artistic effort. On the other hand, I don't really see the damage done to the photographer so many years after taking the picture.<p>However, my first thought was "that's the Kind of Blue cover" not "that's the famous photo of Miles Davis". Kind of Blue is one of the greatest records of all times so if anyone should get compensated it's Columbia or Miles' estate. I just checked my vinyl version of the record and the photographer isn't even mentioned.<p>No doubt it's a great photo but without Miles it would be just a photo of a guy with a trumpet and none of this would have happened.
dhughesalmost 14 years ago
I wonder what Andy Warhol would say about this situation, half his stuff was "theft".
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gueloalmost 14 years ago
This is a good post that is maybe significant morally but probably irrelevant within the law.
regularfryalmost 14 years ago
I hope everyone on all sides can recognise how absurd the "it's theft if you can recognise the original" argument is. For starters, photographers have a long tradition of claiming copyright in reference photos of fine art, where the whole point is to create an image which is as alike the original as possible.
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aptsurdistalmost 14 years ago
Some alternative album covers that are hopefully a show of support for Baio. Copyrights: kind of screwed. <a href="http://aptsurdist.wordpress.com/2011/06/23/a-story-by-waxy-org-kind-of-screwed/" rel="nofollow">http://aptsurdist.wordpress.com/2011/06/23/a-story-by-waxy-o...</a>
virtualritzalmost 14 years ago
I wrote a similar essay a while back: <a href="http://www.virtualritz.com/archive/on-plagiarism-creativity-in-the-digital-age/" rel="nofollow">http://www.virtualritz.com/archive/on-plagiarism-creativity-...</a>
ahoyherealmost 14 years ago
If you ask me, this is a pretty open &#38; shut case: he copied the photograph exactly, as much as exactitude was allowed for the medium. Baio brought barely anything new to the table at all. A tie pattern? That doesn't seem like enough to me to make it a true derivative work, and moreover, it was for a commercial purpose.<p>It is telling that Baio got permission for the music but not for the album cover.
georgieporgiealmost 14 years ago
Meh. IMO the 'pixelated' 'art' isn't nearly pixelated enough, and not unique enough to qualify as art. Arguments based upon particularly bad selections of photoshop filters are not sufficient. The photo in question was beautifully captured, and the flippant way it's being treated is rather sad.
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urielalmost 14 years ago
The absurdity of so called "intellectual property" becomes ever more patent.
rorrralmost 14 years ago
Except Miles Davis allowed himself to be photographed (or "copied"), he even paid the photographer to use the photo on the cover.<p>Nobody allowed Baio to "copy" that photo.<p>I'm pretty sure Baio will lose, deservingly so.
micks56almost 14 years ago
Hypothetical: Baio downloads the latest Linux kernel. He changes all variable and function names to words of his choosing. Baio now says that he has the right to distribute BaioNix code free from GPL copyright restrictions and does so. The Free Software Foundation sues Baio alleging copyright infringement.<p>Who wins and why? How is this different from or the same as Maisel v. Baio?
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