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What we got wrong: the Guardian’s worst errors of judgment over 200 years

69 pointsby chunkyslinkabout 4 years ago

15 comments

dazcabout 4 years ago
No mention of your support for the invasion of Iraq then?
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sega_saiabout 4 years ago
This is a nice one: “It is not to be supposed that the death of the Archduke Francis Ferdinand will have any immediate or salient effect on the politics of Europe.” I think the quality of predictions in geo-politics or economics hasn't improved much since then.
gizmoabout 4 years ago
The Guardian has in 200 years only won one Pulitzer, for Glenn Greenwald&#x27;s reporting on intelligence agency wiretapping and other malfeasance. And what does the Guardian do? They repeatedly malign Greenwald and publish falsehoods about him. See this thread for a typical example: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;ggreenwald&#x2F;status&#x2F;1388826988736126976" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;ggreenwald&#x2F;status&#x2F;1388826988736126976</a><p>The problem isn&#x27;t just that the Guardian gets major stuff wrong, and that they don&#x27;t -- as a matter of course -- acknowledge mistakes. The big, no huge, problem is that they do almost no real journalism whatsoever.<p>(I can also pick nits about this article that getting global cooling wrong and asbestos doesn&#x27;t mean anything because those were mundane mistakes that are not indicative of a larger problem, but I&#x27;d rather focus on the big picture that The Guardian doesn&#x27;t do real journalism and the big things they get wrong as a consequence they never acknowledge, not even in articles like these.)<p>edit: bonus link about how the Guardian silences and fires journalists who tweet sarcastically about sensitive topics. Thread: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;ggreenwald&#x2F;status&#x2F;1359544245238005760" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;ggreenwald&#x2F;status&#x2F;1359544245238005760</a>
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tsegratisabout 4 years ago
Can we have all newspapers do this?<p>I imagine few would be as honest as this
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slx26about 4 years ago
Ah, the eternal question. How do you respond to this? Applaud and encourage even more thorough self-reflection, or criticize because the self-reflection was not thorough enough?
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vinsciabout 4 years ago
Guardian&#x27;s &quot;WikiLeaks: Secrets and Lies&quot; Documentary: Guardian hacks continue PR war against WikiLeaks<p>wikileaks.org&#x2F;Guardian-s-WikiLeaks-Secrets-and.html
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sirsinsalotabout 4 years ago
By The Guardian.
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fenderbluesjrabout 4 years ago
No mention of Nazi Germany, I&#x27;m curious to know what their position was. My understanding is that The Times was very sympathetic to Hitler&#x27;s claims of not having bad intent regarding Czechoslovakia and regularly railed against the government for not giving their support
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commandlinefanabout 4 years ago
&gt; Fear of the mob dominated<p>Ironic, considering the apologetic tone of the article overall...
thinkingemoteabout 4 years ago
The left wing film director Lindsay Anderson who directed the movie &quot;If...&quot; starring Malcolm McDowell about an uprising in a British public school was asked why he didn&#x27;t read The Guardian but the right wing Telegraph newspaper. He replied by saying that it was easier to spot the lies...<p>Personally I think the Guardian deserves support as the only real opposition or left newspaper in the UK. It&#x27;s really flawed and the lies are harder to see but it fulfils an essential role in society.
bioinformaticsabout 4 years ago
In my view, it was only one.
yositoabout 4 years ago
This seems like an act of penance by The Guardian.
nailerabout 4 years ago
More recently: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;2012&#x2F;feb&#x2F;23&#x2F;pcc-guardian-mark-duggan-headline" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;2012&#x2F;feb&#x2F;23&#x2F;pcc-guardian-m...</a>
fallingfrogabout 4 years ago
It is striking that the mainstream positions today would have been considered radical leftism at most points in the past.<p>If the same pattern holds, then radical leftist positions of today will be again the mainstream positions in the future.<p>The lag time has been considerable though. I think even into the 90’s the guardian would not have approved of the suffragette’s direct action methods.<p>In some ways though things have stagnated for almost a century; Bernie Sanders public health care plan is something that was being pushed for a century ago, and the forces of private capital have managed to hold back the tide for a hundred years.<p>So it might be that my prediction that the radical left of today is the mainstream of tomorrow is totally wrong, and things could actually regress.
thu2111about 4 years ago
A rather strange article. In some ways quite perceptive and reflective, but in other ways the opposite.<p>One of the first examples is a little odd.<p><i>errors of scientific understanding resulted in a 1927 article that promoted the virtues of asbestos</i><p>It&#x27;s a bit unclear what &quot;errors of scientific understanding&quot; means here, but in context this makes it sound like the Guardian writers mis-understood scientists who were warning about the dangers of asbestos. The report presented to Parliament about the dangers of asbestos didn&#x27;t arrive until 1930 and before that there was only a single known case of asbestosis in the UK, so that seems to deflect attention from the fact that the errors - if you want to call a lack of knowledge an error - were by scientists, not the Guardian writers.<p>Towards the end we have this:<p><i>&quot;Since then, referendums have become, much to the paper’s displeasure, an established part of our constitution, used as a way to stamp democratic legitimacy on to controversial ideas and as a tool of party management&quot;</i><p>Perhaps one day they&#x27;ll be writing a similar backwards-looking piece apologizing for having held this view too. At the start they rail against the paper&#x27;s former imperialism and feelings of superiority, then claim that referendums are a problem because they legitimize &quot;controversial ideas&quot;. This from a paper which delights in publishing controversial and extreme ideas:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;somuchguardian?lang=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;somuchguardian?lang=en</a><p>A few select headlines:<p>&quot;The tears of joy emoji is the worst of all - it&#x27;s used to gloat about human suffering&quot;<p>&quot;Brexit will spell the end of British art as we know it&quot;<p>&quot;Can male writers avoid misogyny?&quot;<p>&quot;What if we&#x27;re living in a computer simulation?&quot;<p>&quot;Robots are racist and sexist&quot;<p>etc. Perhaps some of these will make future lists.
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