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No, pi is wrong: The Tau Manifesto

128 pointsby adunkabout 4 years ago

16 comments

Zhylabout 4 years ago
I like the idea of Tau but &quot;pi is wrong&quot; is wrong. Pi is correct.<p>The pitch for Tau is as a replacement for Pi. That it is more logical than Pi.<p>Tau has an important lesson to tell: intuition is important and in many cases shifting things around so they&#x27;re easier to create an intuitive understanding is often very trivial and boils down to aesthetic&#x2F;representation choices.<p>Claiming that &quot;pi is wrong&quot; is picking a fight that doesn&#x27;t need to be fought with a crowd that will not be convinced.<p>Instead, if I were a more full Tau advocate I would do more along the lines of Khalid from Betterexplained and seek to find other interesting intuitive takes on dry topics that are often taught by wrote.
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prof-dr-irabout 4 years ago
That was a surprisingly entertaining and well-researched manifesto.<p>In the same spirit, I think it is time to rethink the verb &#x27;to be&#x27;: the only consistent conjugation is obviously &#x27;I&#x2F;you are; he ares; we&#x2F;you&#x2F;they are&#x27;. And similarly the past tense should be &#x27;ared&#x27; instead of &#x27;was&#x2F;were&#x27;. Generations of children have been getting themselves needlessly confused because of this terrible convention!<p>Would it be possible to correct this wrong? Or do you think the time for doing so has passed and, by now, it are what it are.
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boublepopabout 4 years ago
Why do people even measure rotations in radians? It’s a stupid unit that’s never ever written out but always expressed as either “pi radians” or “tau radians”, and just like with degrees, or the measure which has 200 to a circle you end up spending time teaching students how to convert to the sensible unit we all default to, which is just plain rotations. Everyone understands intuitively half a rotation. A full rotation or a quarter rotation. And when you tell a student 30 degrees, they all spend a bit of mental effort thinking before they go “Ah yes, 1&#x2F;12 of a full rotation” and if you tell them 0.52 radians they’ll just look at you blankly stating they need a calculator before they know what are you are on about.
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tragomaskhalosabout 4 years ago
There&#x27;s a bad science fiction story in here = humans broadcast pi to the stars in many different formats, but nearby aliens sail right past oblivious, mistaking the signal for random noise because their maths uses tau.
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gilmore606about 4 years ago
Isn&#x27;t this just a refactor? He should submit a PR, maybe with a few tests.
derryroverabout 4 years ago
Convinced me that PI is in fact wrong.<p>I had thought myself sometimes why there was always 2PI everywhere and how PI was half a circle (instead of a whole). I was always eventually convinced by the PI<i>r^2 = area function that PI must be correct. Also a lot of people thought about it for a long time right?<p>The example that many other surface area functions have 1&#x2F;2 in them convinces me that the function should be 1&#x2F;2 </i> TAU * r^2.<p>Good luck convincing the rest of us degenerates.
DoomHotelabout 4 years ago
Figure 2 in that article, illustrating a constant-width figure with three sides (a Reuleaux triangle), reminded me of a science fiction story from long ago. I finally found the title: it&#x27;s &quot;The Three-Cornered Wheel&quot; by Poul Anderson. A spaceship crew on an alien planet needs to transport something heavy but the natives worship circles and won&#x27;t let them use cylindrical rollers. They eventually find a solution that satisfies everyone.
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saagarjhaabout 4 years ago
The problem here is that pi shows up in a lot of places that have nothing to do with circles, and in those places tau does not do better (it frequently does worse). It&#x27;s just not worth the hassle to make it the default, and I say this as someone who celebrates tau day every year (but I call it &quot;my birthday&quot; instead :P)
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hilbert42about 4 years ago
Over the years I&#x27;ve seen a number of similar articles on pi and tau but I reckon this one is by far the most comprehensive. All have the same thread and it&#x27;s a shame that tau and pi weren&#x27;t reversed in meaning from the outset as clearly this would have simplified many things. For example (as the article mentions) the number of times I&#x27;ve see this ℏ=h&#x2F;2π explained or alternatively its explanation omitted when it should have been explained is numerous. With tau, all that could have been omitted.<p>Moreover, it seems to me that starting with tau is more logical in that a circle results from the rotation of the radius, still nothing will change as pi is so absolutely entrenched.
mids_hnabout 4 years ago
While we&#x27;re trying to change the status quo in mathematics around the world, let&#x27;s also all switch to the World Calendar and start using Base 12.
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Hizonnerabout 4 years ago
Yes, we should be using a circle constant that has a value twice that of &quot;pi&quot;.<p>We should not be calling it &quot;tau&quot;. That&#x27;s already used for too many things, and anyway the constant is important enough to deserve its own symbol.<p>Instead of cutting it down from two verticals to one, we should add a symbol that has <i>three</i> verticals. Which has the additional advantage of giving a real visual cue to what&#x27;s going on.
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ksecabout 4 years ago
I only found out Tau where there was a slightly heated discussion about adding it to Ruby Core[1], still unsure if this is needed or required.<p>And somehow at the same time The Tau Manifesto is written by Michael Hartl, who also wrote <i>the</i> Ruby on Rails Tutorial .<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bugs.ruby-lang.org&#x2F;issues&#x2F;17496" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bugs.ruby-lang.org&#x2F;issues&#x2F;17496</a>
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slverabout 4 years ago
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rvr_about 4 years ago
I am sold. Tau is the law.
DoomHotelabout 4 years ago
Is this title trying to riff on &quot;No, it is the children who are wrong&quot;?
alfiedotwtfabout 4 years ago
Every year, I look forward to the comments here of that page. Tauday, like the SR-71 ground check story, I’ll happily read the comments every time it’s posted.