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The Animal Is Tired

1299 pointsby montenegrohugoabout 4 years ago

43 comments

autarchabout 4 years ago
Robin Hobb is one of my favorite authors. Her masterwork is a series of series (four trilogies and a quadrology) known as The Realm of the Elderlings.<p>She published the first trilogy, which begins with Assassin&#x27;s Apprentice, starting in 1995. I saw the books when they first came out and I assumed from the title and the cover that it would be a cheesy fantasy by the numbers, so I never bought it. But I kept hearing about these books from other people who liked SFF, so I finally picked up the first trilogy.<p>I was completely wrong. It&#x27;s not at all by the numbers. While it&#x27;s not trope-free (nothing is), there are all sorts of interesting ideas, from the political to ecological. As you read the later series, the world opens up quite a bit, and it gets even more interesting. The final trilogy brings so many elements together, and the ending is shatteringly powerful.<p>While this is epic fantasy, it&#x27;s _not_ at all grimdark. Bad things definitely happen, but it&#x27;s more hopeful and humane than something like Malazan or Song of Ice and Fire.<p>I can&#x27;t recommend these books highly enough. Even if her writing is slowing down, I hope that she&#x27;s satisfied with what she&#x27;s done. This series alone is an enormous accomplishment. To build a world across so many books, across so many years, and have it come together so well in the end is massively impressive.
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rubicon33about 4 years ago
70? My animal is only 33 and is very tired. Writing this as it lays in bed, 3 in the afternoon, because even a standard chair sounds more exhausting to it.<p>It seems to have no motivation or energy to do much besides lay here.<p>If I force it, it will get stuff done but at a huge cost. It will yearn the entire time to just lay back down.<p>It&#x27;s interest in things seems to be fading quickly. What desire it used to have to work hard and succeed, has slipped away. It seems these days it has only enough energy to lay in bed and scroll through the internet. Not sure what is wrong with my animal, but this is no way for it to live.<p>I was hard on the animal in its early 20s, but no harder than the average animal. The past 7 years or so have actually been pretty calm, good food, semi regular exercise, stable job, etc.<p>It&#x27;s scary to imagine how the animal would feel at 70 if this is how it feels at 33. Maybe the pandemic was a straw to its back, and the isolation has worn it down more than anything else possibly could.
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blfrabout 4 years ago
<i>Better food, more exercise, more relaxation... but I also wonder if it would have made any difference.</i><p>Yes. I&#x27;m only half OP&#x27;s age but working out and eating well (well for me means much more) has made all the little aches I started to have in my 20s go away and made me much calmer, I can also sleep pretty much anywhere and at any time.<p>More interestingly though,<p><i>Me, and the animal I live inside.</i><p>there is no animal you live inside, this is not a meat vehicle for something else, your body is you, it&#x27;s not some machine you merely inhabit. Its&#x2F;your gut will affect your mood, its limitations are your limitations, being physically strong will make you feel strong and keep anxieties at bay.
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okareamanabout 4 years ago
I did the best I could with my body except now that I am 63 I have one regret: I wish I had more sex when I was able. I mean, I had sex but I could have had a lot more. It&#x27;s seems dumb now to deny this basic pleasure for &quot;reasons&quot;
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everyabout 4 years ago
As luck would have it, today is my birthday. I am now officially 72 years old. My approach to the inevitable is, while getting older is certainly no picnic at the park, it definitely beats the hell out of the alternative. So far at least...
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edoceoabout 4 years ago
Oh, and eyesight. Like, I had to up-scale the default font sizes on mobile and now all sites (this one especially) are harder to use.<p>Use responsive design people! You&#x27;ll need it someday!!
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WarOnPrivacyabout 4 years ago
&quot;Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing.&quot;<p>-- Redd Foxx
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awinter-pyabout 4 years ago
<p><pre><code> Though much is taken, much abides; and though We are not now that strength which in old days Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are, One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.</code></pre>
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uglygoblinabout 4 years ago
I wish Robin Hobb all the years she desires and thank her deeply for gifting us with her stories so this animal could retreat to them when it needed a vacation from reality.
kkonceviciusabout 4 years ago
The animal separation part is confusing to me. Not because of any &quot;mind versus matter&quot; dilemmas but because of desires.<p>The author says that the animal wants to relax and lie down. But where is the distinction here? If you drink coffee when you feel the urge - that&#x27;s on you, but if you relax when you feel like it - then it&#x27;s the animal? Can it be that all those desires for working hard and having coffee and alcohol was part of the animal instinct?<p>I don&#x27;t see how to decouple those, even thou I am sympathetic to the animal &#x2F; inside animal distinction.
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nocmanabout 4 years ago
Oh, I was close (guessed the animal), but I was kind of expecting an article about being tired of learning new Javascript frameworks (not making that up, I <i>honestly</i> was expecting that).<p>:-D
fallingfrogabout 4 years ago
I felt just as good at 30 as I did at 20. I used to hike up and down mount Washington (6300 ft) in a day and feel fine the day after. I think I was 33 when I did 30 miles of hiking in the white mountains in one day.<p>I felt like my body took a corner somewhere in my mid 30’s though. (Right about when my kids were born). Now it feels amazing to sit down. My hair is finally falling out too. My feet hurt when I put weight on them in the morning. I put on 20 pounds that I just can’t seem to get rid of.
TrispusAttucksabout 4 years ago
Reminds me of Sailing to Byzantium [1]<p>O sages standing in God&#x27;s holy fire As in the gold mosaic of a wall, Come from the holy fire, perne in a gyre, And be the singing‐masters of my soul. Consume my heart away; sick with desire And fastened to a dying animal It knows not what it is; and gather me Into the artifice of eternity.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sailing_to_Byzantium" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sailing_to_Byzantium</a>
huxfluxabout 4 years ago
Robin Hobb is amazing, her books which begin with Assassin&#x27;s Apprentice really helped me through extremely stressful periods of life being able from time to time to escape from reality and into another world and then return.
marcellabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;m 35 and I don&#x27;t feel any of the ravages of age that some people describe. I do exercise and eat reasonably well, but I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s anything out of the ordinary. I have a desk job (programming). Am I unusually lucky? or just part of a silent majority that has nothing to complain about? Is doom just around the corner?
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teekertabout 4 years ago
This hits home, I&#x27;m pushing 40 and I can hardly walk at the moment, probably because I was barefoot at home, on a hard floor, doing about 2500 steps a day (to the coffee machine and back). Before lock down I easily did 12000 on shoes... Then one day lock down ends and I go boxing, boom, over-strained feet. Now everything starts to ache because I haven&#x27;t been able to move normally for months now. The animal requires maintenance, love, attention. So different from 20 years ago when it was always there when I needed it, always with 0 issues even if I skipped a night and went to work a full day after. I regret not caring for it better.<p>Regarding the feet: They think I wore down my fat pads, but only after I recently got x-rays and ultrasound investigations. Before that I was treated (treated is a big word for a bit of stretching and pain killers) as if I had plantar fasciosis.
smoldesuabout 4 years ago
It&#x27;s a pretty harrowing thought that given my age (barely still a teen) I may not live another 50 years. Between the mass pollution tainting our world, impending global warming and increased civil unrest, I figure the odds that my animal reaches 70 are not very high.
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40fourabout 4 years ago
Wow. This is fantastic writing. I’m not a big reader, and I was unaware of Robin Hobb.<p>This definitely makes me want to read more of her stuff though. Kudos!
terminalserverabout 4 years ago
That’s one of the most surprising and unwelcome parts of getting older .... being tired.<p>It’s started at about 51 years old. Going to bed early, feeling so tired at the end of the day, seeing 9pm as “late”.<p>Not having the energy of earlier days.<p>I’m otherwise healthy but so damn tired all the time.
maerF0x0about 4 years ago
&gt; It slept only when I no longer needed its labor at the end of a long day. Day after day of steady work, night sleep sacrificed for more work; It didn&#x27;t seem to mind<p>No problem, we can still extract a little more shareholder value. Simply turn them to to glue [1]<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sparknotes.com&#x2F;lit&#x2F;animalfarm&#x2F;section9&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sparknotes.com&#x2F;lit&#x2F;animalfarm&#x2F;section9&#x2F;</a>
nanomonkeyabout 4 years ago
For fans of Robin Hobb, I&#x27;d suggest looking into her works written under her real name, Megan Lindholm. I highly suggest, Wizard of the Pigeons.
superkuhabout 4 years ago
The unfortunate truth is that the things you can&#x27;t control that effect your lifespan far outnumber and swamp the things you can. I hope as a technological civilization we can eventually change that but it&#x27;s not going to be done by eating better or not staying up working late.
djohnstonabout 4 years ago
I&#x27;m 29 and my lower back already has arthritis and stenosis. I don&#x27;t expect to make it to 65.
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ssr2020about 4 years ago
A good writing and advice. Reminded me that.<p>Friend! The body and body of a human being are like an animal held by a soldier from the assets. Just as that soldier is obliged to feed and serve that animal, the human being is also obliged to feed that body. Mesnevi-i Nuriye
chxabout 4 years ago
This has always been my biggest fear: a slowly fading mind trapped in a more rapidly fading body.
quickthrower2about 4 years ago
I feel this way at 41, some kind of ME&#x2F;CFS but need to get diagnosed (or sufficient lack of diagnosis). I&#x27;d say when I have energy I can be like 30, but it&#x27;s limited and I am soon 80 again. A lot of rest I&#x27;m back to 30.<p>I try to think of it as restriction inspires creativity. What kind of side hussle can I do to make money? Well one that doesn&#x27;t involve managing people, raising money, or even too much coding. I am now making a small income selling lines on eBay!
jordan801about 4 years ago
I am unfamiliar with Robin Hobb, but I thoroughly enjoyed this short read. Now I see that she has books and she may have inspired me to get back into reading books.
kizerabout 4 years ago
I’m 26 and barely functional. Pushed too hard in sport in HS (swimming), then too hard in college. Got hired at one of the big tech out of college, but was so burnt out that I couldn’t do the work and quit after a year. Only Adderall gives me some life ... for about an hour per dose (prescribed). I’ve been relaxing at home with my parents for two years, but I still feel like a zombie.
possibleworldsabout 4 years ago
Loved Robin Hobb when I was a kid. I read a LOT of fantasy back then and she was up the top of the list next to GRRM for me.<p>The closest thing to traditional fantasy I have read in a very long time is Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe, and now I am bit broken trying to chase a similar hit. If anyone has any recommends to scratch the post BOTNS itch please do share.
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arvindrajnaiduabout 4 years ago
The animal is old and secretly yearns to be young. Its the nature of the beast.
arendtioabout 4 years ago
&gt; ... it is the only animal I have ever treated this way.<p>I wonder if that is actually true. I am thinking about this video and how we humans are treating all the other animals on this planet:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;NxvQPzrg2Wg?t=165" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;NxvQPzrg2Wg?t=165</a><p>Sure the text is about something different, but at times I do wonder how cruel we are and how little we think about it. I like to imagine seeing some aliens doing to us what we are doing to all the animals.
mrfusionabout 4 years ago
So did Hobb inspire Harry Potter? Did Robert Jordan inspire Hobb? I see so many parallels sometimes.
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synessoabout 4 years ago
I was convinced this article was about the experience of being in your 40s, until I got to the end.
Sophistifunkabout 4 years ago
70? I&#x27;ll be 41 in a few weeks and that&#x27;s me now :(
dmingod666about 4 years ago
Well written piece
Pimpslapofdeathabout 4 years ago
&gt; Would I have fed a beloved dog stimulants to keep it working when it needed sleep?<p>We do that to other people&#x2F;animals all the time. Overcrowded, throughput optimized animal farms. Amazon warehouses. Pilots.
mattjaynesabout 4 years ago
For many people, there&#x27;s a lot they can do to turn back the clock if they wish to do so. Sometimes it&#x27;s just knowing what&#x27;s possible.<p>In my thirties, I was so consumed with career that I let my health go, I was very overweight, didn&#x27;t exercise and just put all my focus into work and getting ahead. I developed all types of health problems and pictures of me from that time look like a fat old baby with a beard. It didn&#x27;t help that I was still wearing clothes from the 90&#x27;s. Quite embarrassing and I keep pictures from that era buried deep deep below the earth&#x27;s mantle :)<p>At age 40, I was recently out of a long-term relationship and moved to a new place and decided to get my health in order. I fixed my diet, started working out, updated my wardrobe, prioritized sleep, etc.<p>Over the next year, I dropped the extra weight, put on quite a bit of muscle, dressed for the correct era, and overall re-made myself.<p>A nice surprise was that losing weight and getting in shape resolved nearly all my health issues. I felt like I was in my twenties again - which was a small miracle since I felt like I was a senior citizen in my thirties.<p>Naturally, my mood and confidence improved. I was dating again, and quickly realized that sexiness-gap is much more of a factor than age-gap. If there&#x27;s no age-gap, but you&#x27;re waaaay less sexy than someone else, society will have a problem with it. But even if there&#x27;s a large age gap, and you are both at similar levels of &quot;sexy&quot;, then society accepts it quite readily. Not saying that is good or bad - it&#x27;s just how our modern society seems to be and was something surprising to me.<p>Here are some things that helped me:<p>* Set the barrier to working out as low as possible. I used resistance-bands at home. It&#x27;s surprising how much muscle you can put on with resistance-bands. Set yourself up for success - it&#x27;s a much lower hurdle to working out if you can just roll out of bed and workout in your underwear while listening to music&#x2F;audiobook&#x2F;etc. You can get super heavy-duty bands that even bodybuilders will struggle with - so don&#x27;t think you <i>have</i> to go to the gym to put on significant muscle. You don&#x27;t need to make a big financial investment here - your muscles will grow when working against significant resistance and they don&#x27;t really care <i>how</i> they get it - just that they get it in sufficient volume and consistency.<p>* Ignore fad diets and follow only science&#x2F;evidence based programs. The best I&#x27;ve found are &quot;Renaissance Periodization&quot; and Jeff Nippard. You want to follow those who are non-religious about any particular approach and willing to adjust their approach purely based on the best studies. I wasted soooo much time following crazy diets and fad workouts before I found good reliable data to work with, and that made all the difference.<p>* Focus on the 99% that matters for diet and exercise. The essentials are very simple. But if you&#x27;re looking for info on youtube and other places, the majority of videos&#x2F;articles are focusing on optimizing the 1%. So you can waste a lot of time worrying about the 1% that matters very little and miss the 99% that matters immensely. Remember that fitness experts often get bored of focusing on the basics and will want to constantly explore the exotic fringes. Ignore the exotic fringes - they will be a huge waste of your time unless you are an elite athlete competing in world-class competitions.<p>* Track what you eat in a calorie&#x2F;macro counter app - at least until you get reliable intuition about it. I resisted this for a long time, but when I finally did it, I realized that my diet was insane. I was 900 calories one day and 4000 calories another day. My intuition about food and calories was terrible. It wasn&#x27;t until I started counting calories that I realized what was what. Figuring out my maintenance calories also helped me to keep my energy levels more constant (my 900 calorie days were, non-surprisingly, the days I felt like a wet bag of sand).<p>* For style, I found Pinterest to be a surprisingly good resource. If you find a style you like that is contemporary and works well for your age, body-type, etc, then you can find thousands of photos that provide good examples. Save all the ones you like and then go through them and look for patterns. Pay attention to colors, fit, etc. Start replacing your current wardrobe with the most common items that work well in the pictures. Observe what is working for others that are similar to you, and start modeling your style after them. This may feel a bit &quot;vain&quot; - but remember, you&#x27;re not doing anyone any favors by showing up in poor style - do it for others if that helps you overcome that mental hurdle.<p>* Be patient and gentle with yourself. Taking a note from the parent article: If you notice your dog got fat and out of shape, would you whip him and shame him, or gently encourage him and make it fun to exercise? Treat yourself at least as good as a dog you love. This will take time. The changes will be extremely subtle in the short-term, but will make a big difference long-term. Loving your inner animal will ensure it goes as fast as possible. Shaming or punishing your inner animal will only slow things down and cause you to resent the process. Be creative - make it fun - only boring people get bored.<p>Most people let themselves atrophy as they age - so you may be surrounded by bad examples that will depress you about aging. Focus instead on the examples of people who are active, growing, and living amazing lives well into their 80&#x27;s. Then the future of aging won&#x27;t seem so dark.
The_rationalistabout 4 years ago
I said that in another thread already but 1mg selegiline daily is worth a try, it shows spectacular results in rodents and at worst don&#x27;t harm humans while restoring dopamine levels.
CryptoPunkabout 4 years ago
Humanity needs to put a few hundred billion dollars a year into basic medical research, and in particular, in anti-aging research.<p>It could lead to advances that save orders of magnitude more lives, and add orders of magnitude more disability-free life years, than everything that is achieved by all the spending on healthcare taking place right now worldwide.
ajarmstabout 4 years ago
I’m waiting for the news that PETA activists have captured and euthanized Robin Hobb to end his suffering. After spaying him, of course.
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Jyaifabout 4 years ago
&gt; unable to find a comfortable position for sleep<p>Could this problem be solved with an advanced motorized bed that allows you to configure the surface on which you rest?
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earthboundkidabout 4 years ago
&gt; Me, and the animal I live inside.<p>This dualism is unhelpful. You are the animal. You aren&#x27;t a thing inside of yourself. Yes, sometimes your mind can be sharp and your body tired, but at the end of the day, you are the unity created by the synthesis, not some disembodied force.<p>The worst thing about dualism is that people who think of themselves as not religious do it unreflectively, whereas when religious people do it, at least it&#x27;s on the table as something up for debate.
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podgajabout 4 years ago
I laugh when I see people running for 6 miles are doing marathons or Iron Man’s. How can anyone think that is healthy and good for the long term functioning of the body? Study after study has shown that we are meant to be “lazy”. But no one wants to hear that.<p>So listen to this guy, relax!
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