Recent threads:<p><i>Preparing for Pre-Orders! (Framework modular laptop)</i> - <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27052468" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27052468</a> - May 2021 (79 comments)<p><i>The Framework Laptop</i> - <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26263508" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26263508</a> - Feb 2021 (991 comments)<p>There's also
<i>Framework’s repairable laptop is up for preorder, starting at $999</i> - <a href="https://techcrunch.com/2021/05/13/frameworks-repairable-laptop-is-up-for-pre-order-starting-at-999/" rel="nofollow">https://techcrunch.com/2021/05/13/frameworks-repairable-lapt...</a><p>(via <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27142913" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27142913</a>, but we merged that thread hither)
Congratulations to the founder(s) on the launch. Wishing you nothing but success!
Nice to see a pluggable approach at a time when "repairability" is catching the fancy of the whole world.<p>If I had to nitpick, it would be the fact that Linux is unfortunately a second class citizen. However, I do see that support for mainstream distros is available. Can you possibly shed some light on that and be a bit more specific? What distros have you tested? What are the outcomes?
Wish there was a ATX-like standard for laptops. It wouldn't work for 13-inch laptops with super-tight internals, but for gaming laptops and mobile workstations it'd be awesome. Imagine your laptop is getting a bit old, so you swap out motherboard, CPU and RAM. That's the kind of laptop I want.
An excellent idea. I sincerely hope you succeed.<p>1. Would be good to know more about the UEFI on it¹, in particular:<p>- Whose implementation will you be using? (AMI? Insyde?)<p>- Will it expose the all the settings to the user?<p>- Will it be easily flashable (via software)?<p>- Is there going to be an easily accesible "alt-disable" mode for ME or, if not, an equivalent solution (e.g. the ability to leave it in manufacturing mode on the ordered unit)?<p>(2. Here I wanted to ask about Thunderbolt compatibility but this question has been answered already², and the answer is: "maybe.")<p>3. What do you mean by the pre-order being open to the US only? Specifically, can I pay with a non-US issued credit card as long as I provide a shipping address in the US (forwarder's)?<p>¹) Also asked here by another person: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27143526" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27143526</a><p>²) <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27143958" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27143958</a>
The keyboard makes this a no-go for me, though I'm hoping they will be releasing additional versions? And I'm not talking about ANSI/ISO or internationalization (which they will be releasing), I'm talking about the lack of page up/down keys, the arrow keys, the lack of dedicated home/insert/end keys. These all fit comfortably on my X230 (which is smaller), and on my T470 (which is bigger, but has ~4cm to spare).
Hey this looks great. Looking forward to Linux compatibility statement.<p>The site looks like it's getting the hug of death, which is going to be hard dealing with on Rails unless you have some kind of caching. It looks like you're on Cloudflare. I would recommend doing site rules and turn on static html caching for a lot of front facing pages. Basically anything that isn't the laptop build page.
Can't wait to watch some product reviews. That and full Linux support - until then my Pinebook Pro does almost everything I need. Not the fastest but more devs should use lower spec hardware.
Really exciting and congrats on the launch! I was somewhat hoping there would be “see through” options for the bezel and the keyboard/trackpad frame - maybe a future consideration? I’m likely going to order one in the near future to use as my Linux driver.
"Repairable"<p>>Every module has a QR code on it that you can scan for step-by-step instructions, support information, and a link to order a replacement from the Framework Marketplace<p>So its a dealer "repair" where you, the dealer, sell me a repair without the labour part in a form of black box to replace.<p>What about the schematics? the Board files? Firmware?<p>Who is the ODM? Compal? Pegatron? Quanta? Clevo? Wistron? Inventec? Flextronics?<p>Did you pay for fully tailor made design? Who else sells a laptop with the exact same design (ignoring form factor)? You dont have a single EE listed on staff. What part of the electrical design do you own? Do you own any part of it at all? This sure looks like tweaked Acer Swift 3 SF313-53, same ODM?<p>Do you own any part of the firmware that goes into the laptop? Will you be able to patch it?<p>"Expansion Cards" More like a build-in USB 3.1 dongles :). How much are you planning to sell them for? How many USB-C "Expansion Cards" can I chain in a row for a hilarious meme video? :)<p>"Great Webcam in a Laptop" Thinkpad X1 tablet 2nd gen uses same OV2740, isnt exactly known for great camera. Optics and ISP tuning are the important bits. Can you post a demonstration video instead of one 1mpix picture of a laptop screen at an angle?<p>Competition today: "System76 laptop engineer SUPPORTS Right to Repair; interview with Louis Rossmann" <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGle6z9KfZQ" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGle6z9KfZQ</a>
Wow these look great! My family has two 2013 Macbook Airs I need to replace soon, and the latest Apple options feel like big compromises. I love that I can get high levels of RAM. Linux support is a hard requirement for me though. And I'd love to see some numbers re battery life.<p>The price is lower than I expected. I wouldn't listen to the people saying it's too high.<p>Nice job!
Echoing the other feedback here--I thought it would be cheaper too. The DIY edition where you have to bring your own components is at least double the price of a slightly slower laptop with RAM and storage included. I was expecting the DIY to start at $300-400, the current price point is far too high for unproven build quality.
I made this comment a while ago and got a ton of negative votes:<p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27053745" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27053745</a><p>They either listened to me or I should be a contestant on "The Price is Right". ;)
Yeah, it's throwing 500s for me when I try to preorder.<p>I'm very excited for this laptop! It's not even the fact that they essentially moved the dongles inside the frame, it's that it feels like a laptop for people who want to open it up and replace stuff.
I wish i could buy it in parts, the customs in my country doesn't allow anything above 200 usd to go throught. I wish i could buy one day the frame, other day yhe motherboard and so on...
I wish them all the best; this is an exciting, welcome offering in this space.<p>I wish I could find the use for one, but I'm stuck with Apple's laptops for as long as I work in app development.
Would love to see some kind of follow up with Louis Rossmann as he is currently a strong voice in the right to repair and I know he had a lot of positive things to say about this machine along with some criticisms and questions. I know the first release won't be everyone's utopia view of the perfect open laptop but I really like the concept and execution and have already pre-ordered :)
This is really a great idea. I hope your company succeeds.<p>I would buy it just for the blank ISO keyboard. I hope you also add shipping from the EU.<p>BTW. Why does the Enter key look so strange?
The odd resolution display (2256x1504) will likely require that your OS have good high DPI / fractional scaling support, making this not really an ideal candidate for running linux :/<p>(save your Wayland/sway/"works for me" story for somebody who cares. I do have a working high DPI Linux laptop setup and am fully aware of all the tradeoffs that are required from each of the various configurations)
I'm always out of the loop with hardware: how much does an equivalent system from the big ones cost?<p>And how future proof/upgradable are cpu and gpu? I assume storage, ram, motherboard and usb-c will take you far otherwise.<p>And I wonder if it's available in Europe.<p>edit: oh, no dedicated GPU.
The power supply is using gallium nitride [0], very cool! Using GaN shows attention to detail, glad I ordered that as well.<p>[0]<a href="https://frame.work/blog/power-adapter" rel="nofollow">https://frame.work/blog/power-adapter</a>
How does the DIY edition work? It seems to be cheaper to get that and bring your own parts than it is to get a preconfigured version. Do you just insert the missing parts (memory, ssd, wifi)? Or do you have to assemble the whole thing from scratch?
As a desktop user mainly, this is exciting! I really only use laptops for meetings, but next time I upgrade my laptop, I'm getting one!!<p>If it works well, I might consider switching back to a laptop for my main workstation...
A) this is awesome. Great job<p>B) they seem to be leaving some motherboard longevity on the table by not using an AMD and/or server CPUs, which tend to use the same socket & chipset for longer.
I can hardly wait for them to be available in the EU/Germany. This is pretty close to my ideal laptop: reasonable aspect ratio, repairability and a competitive price point.
I'm excited to see orders open up. I'm not overly familiar with current computer pricing but I'm pretty happy with what these are selling for.
Love it. Feedback would be that the keyboard must have different options for the pad. It looks like the pad now is too big for me at least.<p>So make it a an option please.
I am really excited for this and consider buying a second gen next year if they support Linux. But $2000 + tax for a quad core is pretty brutal (i7-1185G7).<p>I got a 14” notebook with a Ryzen 7 4800H for less than 1000€ from a small vendor (Tuxedo).<p>Hard to choose this as it stands. Still I would support them and pay the markup. Hopefully they can support AMD CPUs in their next models.
This is not a knock on Framework, but it amuses me that a base spec of 8 GB of RAM is acceptable in 2021.<p>The last time I bought a laptop was 2014. It was a Macbook Pro 15'. Even then, 8 GB was an irritating amount of RAM, so I bumped it up to 16 GB.<p>7 years later things have hardly improved.