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America Is Flunking Math

28 pointsby throwkeepabout 4 years ago

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innagadadavidaabout 4 years ago
Indian parent in Bay Area here and my 3rd grader loves math and is already into logarithms and enjoys learning these concepts.<p>After going through these articles, I’m concerned to say the least. Are there any resources or groups that I can part of to counter this - what I think will be dumbing-down of the next generation?<p>What are some practical steps to take other than just fleeing this environment?
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actually_a_dogabout 4 years ago
Is anyone else seeing a lot of accusations and invective with no actual evidence or other support here? I&#x27;m willing to believe that their theses are true, but I don&#x27;t see them supported here. They just point at a lot of stuff and say &quot;Look! This is bad!&quot;
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black_13about 4 years ago
Why bother to seek out a STEM career when your boss or his company is actively seeking to remove you.
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jacknewsabout 4 years ago
From the comments:<p>&quot;I don&#x27;t care if we produce the next Einstein. China can &quot;win.&quot; I care about turning our common ship in the direction of our founding promises.&quot;<p>In other words it&#x27;s better for everyone to be equally bad than for some (white) people to be better n others.
jollybeanabout 4 years ago
To add some context, according to PISA, most Americans are doing just fine, and the best Americans are amazing, but there are problems within certain groups [1]. There is no &#x27;general slowdown&#x27; - it&#x27;s more of an isolated issue, but those groups are growing a little bit in number so averages look off.<p>Also, it seems as though the Chinese test-takers for PISA are not a fair representation, there&#x27;s cherry picking there like they are all from Beijing or Shanghai and from good schools etc..<p>Finally - there is a really hard discussion to be had as the CRT perspective is that math itself (focus on correct answers, objectivity etc.) is racist and built on an inherently white&#x2F;western&#x2F;colonialist paradigm, and encourages other forms of expression as &#x27;equally correct&#x27;. There&#x27;s some academic points to be had there, surely, and maybe dropping &#x27;entrance exams&#x27; as primary criteria is also a good thing overall - but - the rejection of science and math and essentially enlightenment principles as basically cover, or an excuse for non-achievement isn&#x27;t going to work. Also in general there&#x27;s too much focus on the education system itself, instead of the students, their home life and culture - if nobody shows up, nobody likes math, people are bullied for doing well, all role models are antagonists instead of positive, parents don&#x27;t care, or don&#x27;t know enough to encourage some conscientious outcomes - then nothing on the educational side will work.<p>There seems to be some success in pulling otherwise decent kids out of &#x27;really bad schools&#x27; but unfortunately that just leaves the bad places a little worse.<p>&#x27;Bad Math Scores&#x27; might be a little bit more a function of overall social malaise than just &#x27;focus on math&#x27; itself, if we can get stable homes with parents who encourage kids, where gangs are not prevalent etc. then there&#x27;s hope.<p>Edit ----<p>While we are add it have a look [2] - from the OECD which breaks down PISA scoring by immigrants in various countries.<p>This is maybe helpful because it gives a basis for other countries to get how &#x27;non majority&#x27; people do elsewhere.<p>The most interesting artifact of this is that - after accounting for economic standing - immigrants in Anglosphere countries (and some other small expat nations like Qatar) do exceedingly well - better than the local kids!<p>While migrants struggle and do &#x27;worse than&#x27; average kids in most nations - after you account for their depressed economic status, immigrants to <i>better</i> than average in Canada&#x2F;US&#x2F;UK.<p>Oddly - eveb in places with exceptionally high educational standards like Finland - immigrants to &#x27;very bad&#x27; even when accounting for income.<p>Literally Finland is a &#x27;Top 3&#x27; place for education, and yet, they are essentially at the very bottom when it comes to kids outside normative culture.<p>This I think is insightful and I thing suggests that the US for example doesn&#x27;t have anything resembling &#x27;toxic teaching system&#x27; - at least migrants, who are generally outsiders to the &#x27;majority culture&#x27; do relatively well.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gpseducation.oecd.org&#x2F;CountryProfile?plotter=h5&amp;primaryCountry=USA&amp;treshold=5&amp;topic=PI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gpseducation.oecd.org&#x2F;CountryProfile?plotter=h5&amp;prim...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oecd-ilibrary.org&#x2F;sites&#x2F;263bde74-en&#x2F;index.html?itemId=&#x2F;content&#x2F;component&#x2F;263bde74-en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.oecd-ilibrary.org&#x2F;sites&#x2F;263bde74-en&#x2F;index.html?i...</a>
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