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Overkill objects for everyday life

856 pointsby mrzoolalmost 4 years ago

76 comments

IgorPartolaalmost 4 years ago
I will postulate an opposing view to TFA:<p>Quality consumer goods are better in two key areas. First, they are replaceable. I don’t want a military grade mixer in my kitchen if getting a broken whisk or motor on it is going to require me hunting all over eBay for the specific part hoping it’s available. I was very excited at one point about the idea of getting a commercial dishwasher that can run a load of dishes in like 90 seconds. Problem with those is that you can’t go to Lowe’s and get a replacement part when it acts up. You have to call a restaurant equipment servicing company and pay them what a restaurant with a broken dishwasher would pay. Or more because you aren’t a frequent customer. Sure, maybe it’ll break less but here’s the thing: my modern LG dishwasher will be more convenient to use and if I get 10 years out of it rather than 20 I still spent only $1000 on the top of the line one rather than the $4k on a 10 year old used commercial unit that I will struggle with the entire time.<p>Second, consumer goods are replaceable. I am used to my Kershaw knife. I broke it yesterday. I can get it serviced by the manufacturer or get a brand new one, or both. If I buy some special forces surplus knife and chip the blade I am either done with that knife or I’m taking it to a specialist or I’m buying a new one. Knowing that I can replace an item I’m used to when a one-for-one replacement is a comfort. Obviously that doesn’t work for everything but it works for items that are made by high quality manufacturers.<p>Bonus: a military grade mixer is going to suck to make high end pastries because it’s geared towards making mashed potatoes for the troops. I feel like the author is romanticizing ma class of products that in reality aren’t all that amazing except in a couple of key areas that to most consumers aren’t as big of a deal. So while it’s possible that, as the author states, the average consumer is an idiot, I don’t see much evidence that the author is much ahead of the pack here.
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notatoadalmost 4 years ago
I love to use professional-grade items where i can, but sometimes &quot;overkill&quot; means a worse product. like the professional-grade fan - it&#x27;s not just designed for a high duty cycle, it&#x27;s also probably designed to be operated in an environment where people regularly use hearing protection, so quiet operation is not a consideration.
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whackalmost 4 years ago
&gt; <i>The average consumer is an idiot, so the bean counters keep milking them... They want pizzaz over functionality and durability. They want shiny stuff in a bigger box... The industrial, military and commercial market doesn&#x27;t mess around. They want to purchase equipment that works reliably and performs to a specification. It&#x27;s professional and their livelihood depends on it. It sort of self filters the entire market. Shitty things drop off the radar due to poor sales.</i><p>This sounds like a cool hobby and conversation starter. But it&#x27;s hard to take the author seriously when he proselytizes on the practical virtues of buying ejector seats over retail chairs. Industrial goods are often built for very specific use-cases. If those use-cases don&#x27;t align with your own needs, you&#x27;re just paying a lot of money for something you don&#x27;t need. And often, something that fails to deliver on your actual needs.
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jlkuester7almost 4 years ago
I am a huge fan of highly durable equipment, but one thing to watch out for is that comfort&#x2F;ergonimics are often sacrificed for the sake of simplicity and duribility. Ask anyone who has spent time in a military vehicle. Those things can take a beating and are made to be repaired quickly and sent back out for more. But a quite comfortable ride they are not.... Sometimes that no-compromise toughness is exactly what you want. In other situations there is real value in creature comforts.<p>For example, I have an old &#x27;97 F250 that is as basic of a model as you can possibly get. Regular cab, bench seat, manual everything from the windows to the transmission. It is a beast and will take whatever you give it. It is simple and easy to fix when something breaks, but it is also crazy loud, rough, and uncomfortable to be in. Perfect for getting work done, but for a cross-country trip with my wife and kids I would opt for the minivan any day.
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ClumsyPilotalmost 4 years ago
&quot;I don&#x27;t think corporations&#x2F;businesses are to blame... The average consumer is extremely ill-informed.&quot;<p>This is very unfair - the average cobsumer is purposefully mislead on a daily basis, for example applle forbids apps from informing consumer that 30% of their <i>donation to a charity</i> is taken.<p>With industrial goods, there is a whole department who&#x27;s job is proqurement and to know what they are buying. And lets not pretent no funny business ever happens there either.<p>But lastly, some consumer good are better - DSLR&#x27;s beat any industrial cameras, and commercial dishwashers are a toally different beast, unsuitable and dangerous to a naive user.
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lucb1ealmost 4 years ago
This started off as a fun article about &quot;what&#x27;s the most overkill way I can get this?&quot; and then looking for second-hand fighter jet seats just for the shits and giggles.<p>I like that.<p>But then it goes south from there, the author seems to believe that anything that isn&#x27;t from the USA military must be crap:<p>&gt; Made in the USA from military grade [...] preferably a military supplier [...] This is the real thing, used by the US military. [...]<p>&gt; <i>Consumer goods suck. You keep buying them.</i> [emphasis theirs]<p>&gt; The average consumer is an idiot, so the bean counters keep milking them.<p>So we&#x27;re idiots for buying a regular knife instead of some military variant that makes you look like, well, someone who would carry a gun as well? Or <i>regular</i> napkins rather than some special cleanroom rated upgrade? I think I&#x27;m good, thanks.
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arpaalmost 4 years ago
&quot;Military grade&quot; has very different connotations if you have been in the service. So yeah, great conversation starter, interesting worldview; can&#x27;t say I share it though.
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rsyncalmost 4 years ago
I appreciate the link and summary for McMaster-Carr[1].<p>It is so pleasing to use this site and it is simultaneously full of utility as they stock a wide array of fixtures and hardware that are difficult to search for elsewhere.<p>If you place an order before noon (typically) the box of goods will be in your hands the next day.<p>The user interface is a wonder. It&#x27;s too good to be true. In fact, using the UI actually <i>saddens</i> me because you know some kid who thinks they are a design genius is going to get hired there and &quot;improve things&quot;. It&#x27;s almost a physical law.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mcmaster.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mcmaster.com&#x2F;</a>
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hn_throwaway_99almost 4 years ago
Like the Hobart mixer from this article, I always find it interesting that many of the best &quot;overkill&quot; objects are simply ones from the early&#x2F;mid 20th century before manufacturers figured out it makes more economic sense to pump out low quality shit that will break just after the warranty expires.<p>I&#x27;m into old school espresso machines, and there is a robust market (and some fascinating refurb videos) for older, lever espresso machines - the quality and design is just much better than any consumer-grade equipment that is sold today.
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ListeningPiealmost 4 years ago
The recommendation for a commercial panel which avoids built smart TV functions is one I&#x27;m taking seriously. We have an Apple TV connected and use nothing else. Does anyone have experience or recommendations?<p>Here is a link to NEC&#x27;s commercial displays <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sharpnecdisplays.us&#x2F;products&#x2F;displays#2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sharpnecdisplays.us&#x2F;products&#x2F;displays#2</a>
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vdnkhalmost 4 years ago
Using a ka-bar for hiking is a terrible idea. At 0.7lbs it weighs as much as a quality sleeping bag&#x2F;tent&#x2F;pack. Also, you likely don’t need a knife. Scissors are much more useful, and micro scissors weigh less than an ounce.<p>Ultralight hiking adds an interesting forcing function to gear - correctly “built” (as in not overbuilt or under built). Bring the gear which matches the need. In essence, the complete opposite sentiment of this post.
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SavantIdiotalmost 4 years ago
I could get behind some of these. Like that Hobart mixer. Granted, I don&#x27;t use a mixer 24&#x2F;7 in a bakery, but my first Kitchen Aid overheated and broke after ~5 years.<p>I&#x27;d prefer if commodity things, like computer mice, were made to last, and not $5 pieces of cheap plastic that end up in landfills. But I&#x27;m the person who complains about the tons of cheap plastic trash sold in 0.99 stores while able to afford $500 mixers.<p>I wish there was a happy medium, where society didn&#x27;t demand China produce plastic stuff that turns into trash within a month, destroying the environment exponentially.
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elil17almost 4 years ago
Restaurant supply stores are a great place to get kitchenware. Some of it doesn’t work in a home kitchen (for instance, you probably don’t want your smallest Tupperware to be a quart). Some of it, though, is perfect. My favorite purchase has been a huge cutting board with rubber grip material on one side and rulers printed on the other. It’s thick plastic so it’s never warped despite repeatedly putting it in the dishwasher.<p>If you’re lucky enough to live near one that lets consumers buy food, too, that’s great. 20 pounds of very high quality pasta for like $8 or $10.
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ftioalmost 4 years ago
As an espresso enthusiast with a rather robust prosumer setup, I considered &#x27;overkill&#x27; commercial options, which are widely available and roughly the same price (sometimes less, with work).<p>The overkill options...well, they&#x27;re not made for home, which actually makes them worse for home use cases. Sure, a La Marzocco Linea can pull a thousand shots a day with extreme consistency and temperature stability.<p>My Lelit Bianca can&#x27;t keep up on volume, but it is smaller, reaches operating temperature more quickly, and is temp stable for the number of shots I pull even with a dozen people over for a party. It uses a standard electrical plug, it has a consumer-grade warranty, and it&#x27;s relatively easy to maintain for a regular Joe like me.<p>So sure, a commercial version of a thing might be more robust, longer-lasting, etc., but what tradeoffs are you making to achieve those characteristics?
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SkyMarshalalmost 4 years ago
Fyi, I have an industrial fan in my home similar to the one listed at the end of the article [1]. Beware, they&#x27;re loud as hell and not really suited for indoors use. It sits dormant now.<p>I replaced it with a smaller Vornado [2]. Powerful, nearly silent (can&#x27;t hear the motor, only the blades), with a durable sealed-bearing motor. Much better.<p>[1]:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;king-electric.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;high-velocity-air-circulators&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;king-electric.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;high-velocity-air-circula...</a><p>[2]:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vornado.com&#x2F;shop&#x2F;circulators-fans&#x2F;293-heavy-duty-large-air-circulator" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vornado.com&#x2F;shop&#x2F;circulators-fans&#x2F;293-heavy-duty...</a>
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airhead969almost 4 years ago
In one job, I used to support just about every size of networkable color and b&amp;w printer from 2 manufacturers. In the cost analysis to operate these things, it became clear: <i>the larger and more expensive printers were not just faster, more reliable, and easier to repair, their supplies were cheaper per page.</i> Their acquisition costs were higher.<p>For anyone needing to churn out flat dead trees more than once a week: I recommend getting a used flagship color laser printer with a low page count and in good condition instead of an inkjet printer. No more running ink, no more calibration pages, no more dried-out ink cartridges, and no more overpriced supplies.
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mslaalmost 4 years ago
A sentence I never thought I&#x27;d say: Gee, that ejector seat doesn&#x27;t look very comfortable.<p>Maybe I&#x27;m wrong. Maybe it feels fine even if you sit in it long periods of time. However, I&#x27;m sure that it only comes in one size, that size being the right size to pilot a plane with an ejector seat. Anyone too big or small wasn&#x27;t considered in its design because they&#x27;d never make it into the relevant flight program to begin with.<p>My point is, consumer objects have to be designed a bit more inclusively than that, to be able to sell to a wider range of buyers. That big Hobart mixer is in the same boat: It&#x27;s designed for people who wouldn&#x27;t have gotten that bakery job if they couldn&#x27;t work with a large, heavy piece of kitchen equipment.
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abeppualmost 4 years ago
&gt; The average consumer wants this stuff. It sells. They want pizzaz over functionality and durability.<p>What is functionality though? What is pizzaz? When are they the same and when are they different?<p>E.g. the famous Emeco 1006 chair, which won a contract to supply the US Navy by being thrown out a window and not breaking. It became a design classic, and now sells for $600 each. It gained a kind of following, which is in part based on this history. But is that durability especially functional for your home or restaurant environment which isn&#x27;t on a warship? Do you think you&#x27;re going to use your chair as a hammer some days? Or is fetishizing something used by the military and extreme durability its own form of pizzaz?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dwr.com&#x2F;kitchen-dining-chairs-benches&#x2F;1006-navy-chair&#x2F;2122.html?lang=en_US" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dwr.com&#x2F;kitchen-dining-chairs-benches&#x2F;1006-navy-...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.emeco.net&#x2F;variants&#x2F;emeco-1006-navy-chair-brushed-us-navy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.emeco.net&#x2F;variants&#x2F;emeco-1006-navy-chair-brushed...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;99percentinvisible.org&#x2F;episode&#x2F;77-steps&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;99percentinvisible.org&#x2F;episode&#x2F;77-steps&#x2F;</a>
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dehrmannalmost 4 years ago
&gt; I want a Martin Baker ejection seat as a chair in my living room<p>I get the draw, but comfort in these seats is mixed. You should be able to sit in them for a few hours, but remember that the foam is dense enough to handle 7Gs.
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joan_kodealmost 4 years ago
Love my infrared thermometer for steeping tea at exact temperatures. These things are terrible for medical purposes since they only measure surface temperature, but they&#x27;re perfect for diagnosing industrial machinery and tea. Also more versatile than those expensive programmable tea-brewing contraptions!
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jedbergalmost 4 years ago
One thing I&#x27;ve always wished I had space for was using a seat from a Mercedes or BMW as my desk chair. I saw someone post about it decades ago. You can pick them up from the junkyard for less than a fancy desk chair.<p>You screw it to a piece of plywood and get a car battery to power it, and you&#x27;ve got a 26 way adjustable seat with lumbar support, seat heaters and seat coolers, and all the other fancy features of a car seat. And it&#x27;s usually made of super durable easy to clean materials. You get a swingarm to hold your keyboard and monitor and you&#x27;re all set with the ultimate chair.<p>But it takes a ton of space.
hprotagonistalmost 4 years ago
digikey and mcmaster are wonderful things to know about.<p>at least in 2012 or so, digikey still had call centers in minnesota and the upper peninsula, and still taught all their call center reps the nato alphabet. There is nothing more crisply charming than a call operator who sounds like Bobby’s mom from Bobby’s World reading you back your resistor SKUs in flawless and rapid phonetic alphabet.
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sfengalmost 4 years ago
Everyone should shop at restaurant supply stores. You can get identical metal mixing bowls for a fraction of the price of the heavy bowls most people have. Plus they clean easily and stack, so you can have a dozen at the ready easily.
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kmfrkalmost 4 years ago
&#x2F;r&#x2F;buyitforlife is great for this sort of stuff, if people ever need something specific.
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bonestamp2almost 4 years ago
I use restaurant glassware at home. It&#x27;s nice, yet minimalistic looking (to match any style restaurant&#x2F;home), relatively cheap, very durable:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;shop.libbey.com&#x2F;collections&#x2F;beverageware&#x2F;products&#x2F;bar-essentials-hi-ball-set-12-ounce-set-of-6" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;shop.libbey.com&#x2F;collections&#x2F;beverageware&#x2F;products&#x2F;ba...</a>
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KamiCritalmost 4 years ago
I work in semi heavy industry. The industrial grade consumer items are great, but usually heavy. The latest example I have is buying bookcases from Uline. Not cheap, not light. But full steel and can hold binders easily. Getting more shelves and another matching one down the road is also easy.<p>Flea markets are also another great source for well built items. Have had great luck buying industrial grade tooling and electrical test&#x2F;measurement equipment there.
bltalmost 4 years ago
Unfortunately this style can be a hard sell for the people you live with. Some people don&#x27;t want their home to look like a restaurant &#x2F; workshop &#x2F; office &#x2F; warehouse &#x2F; etc.
monkpitalmost 4 years ago
For certain things this is a good idea, but at some point you step into “mall ninja” territory.
arc-in-spacealmost 4 years ago
I&#x27;m all for this type of thinking, but like the others point out, you still need to keep yourself in check and put active effort into figuring out when it makes sense. &#x27;Spartan&#x27; isn&#x27;t the only relevant quality. The Hobart mixer is cool, but might it consume too much energy, or is it too heavy to move around when needed? The beakers are sweet, but am I yet wealthy enough to pretend money isn&#x27;t real?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thezvi.wordpress.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;12&#x2F;02&#x2F;more-dakka&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thezvi.wordpress.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;12&#x2F;02&#x2F;more-dakka&#x2F;</a><p>All things considered, I would love to see more people put together their own lists of ways you can do better than the consumer default. I&#x27;m sure there&#x27;s plenty of opportunities of this kind.
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killjoywasherealmost 4 years ago
Not sure about some of the other things, but if you&#x27;re looking for binoculars outside of work, it&#x27;s probably for hunting, birding, or sailing. Having done those things, generally a decent 8x42 is all you need. And remember, you&#x27;re taking them into the field, so some exotic Swarovski 10x50 or Steiner 8x32 laser range finder with compass at $9k is going to make you really sad when it fails. But a 8x42 Nikon Monarch is fine. Absolutely fine. And you won&#x27;t hate yourself when you drop them out of a blind, or in the water, or swing them into a ladder as you shuffle down in the dark.<p>That said, smaller binos are fine in most circumstances. I often carry pocket 8x23s around, or even a small monocular, just in case.
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hoelz_yaalmost 4 years ago
You know that guy in movies who weirdly knows waaay too much about the history of every random piece of military screwdriver and seatbelt buckle, and you&#x27;re always like &quot;that guy doesn&#x27;t actually exist&quot;? Well, you were wrong. This is that guy.
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karaterobotalmost 4 years ago
Is that picture the 20-quart Hobart mixer, or just the 12 quart? Both are good for making a few hundred cookies at a time, and very convenient if you also have a commercial oven.<p>Now, that&#x27;s the countertop model, so it only weights 189 pounds, and it&#x27;s a steal at $6000. Sounds expensive, but it&#x27;ll last forever, unlike my shitty Kitchenaid mixer that&#x27;s only worked flawlessly for 30 years, and that I can store in a cupboard and put on the counter without a forklift.<p>My advice: save a few bucks by learning small appliance repair and buying a banged up mixer from a defunct restaurant a couple towns over! Bring a couple friends and some tie-down straps.
fhubalmost 4 years ago
The best shade umbrella&#x27;s have wind tunnel youtube videos - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bambrellausa.com&#x2F;wind-tunnel-test-videos" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bambrellausa.com&#x2F;wind-tunnel-test-videos</a>.
a9h74jalmost 4 years ago
Shades of MAD Magazine style exaggeration. Also:<p>&gt; For fun, sort by highest price first.<p>To the general point, I once had a long conversation with an ex-engineer who was selling select European furniture in the US. He was adamant that most American consumers pay no attention to build qualities, and are sold shoddy &quot;night-shift&quot; versions of pieces that have e.g. metal channel reinforcements in Europe, with the shoddy versions certain to show sag etc in a few years.<p>One specific option is to buy a sofa in a showroom in the US, then immediately go in and reinforce it with metal brackets and&#x2F;or channels. A higher-end version of Ikea-hacking.
cupcake-unicornalmost 4 years ago
Came to the same realization recently when shopping for kitchen appliances. I couldn&#x27;t find any blender that wasn&#x27;t breaking or acting dodgy after a few months. These of course don&#x27;t come up when you search for them as a consumer but there are for sure industrial blenders used at bars and such. I realized that going forward if I don&#x27;t want ot have to buy a new one every year or so pretty much for anything I&#x27;d have to research and go this route. The beaker glasses is a good example because you sometimes have to get creative to find the industrial version of something.
crooked-valmost 4 years ago
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cmcknalmost 4 years ago
I have to: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=RbhcRKsRwFM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=RbhcRKsRwFM</a>
ltbarcly3almost 4 years ago
&quot;Military grade&quot; is not an especially meaningful term. I served in the military, and generally equipment is required to stand up to water and sand and stuff, but it isn&#x27;t necessarily higher quality or more durable UNLESS that was part of the specification. Lots of the times the military grade equipment was in every way inferior to what you could buy off the shelf for 1&#x2F;100th of the cost. In other cases a lack of manufacturing scale and building to the spec whether it made sense or not led to things that failed routinely due to poor design or lack of adapting designs based on learning after a first generation.<p>A good example of being locked into a bogus design is old Humvee turn signals. I have never once had a turn signal on a car fill up with water like a little fishtank, but when PMCSing Humvees I would run into this from time to time. IIRC you had to drill a hole in the bottom to let the water out.<p>Another case is SINCGARS radios. I don&#x27;t know if they still use them, but god help them if they do. You had to load crypto on them using arcane magic that almost nobody knew how to do, including me, and I took the 2 week class. If you didn&#x27;t have the crypto set up properly you couldn&#x27;t talk to people except on the emergency channel in the clear. I can&#x27;t count how many times we weren&#x27;t able to talk to each other because the radios were all screwed up, there was a lot of resorting to cell phones when they were available. You would think something as fundamental as radios would be figured out and fool proof, but in my experience off the shelf walkee talkees would have been far more effective, although not as secure in theory. In practice the mujahideen aren&#x27;t intercepting and exploiting US communications, but they certainly benefited from the radios being dicked up half the time.
hykoalmost 4 years ago
Buying an ejector seat for your living room is quite eccentric, but I wouldn’t really consider it <i>overkill</i>. It doesn’t even have arms.
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FpUseralmost 4 years ago
&gt;&quot;Dough maker... It was built in Ohio when we used to make things in the US&quot;<p>Whenever I see a chance to buy old industrial grade stuff I use it. Nearly everything they used to do lasts forever. If you want to find the same quality now it either not available or you pay through the nose. Granted for many things we probably do not care all that much if they last 3 years or 30.
sargunalmost 4 years ago
One of my first forays into this was a proper blowtorch vs a normal kitchen torch.<p>My recipes requires adjusting, but once I fixed them up, they were great.
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stakkuralmost 4 years ago
A note about the &#x27;Ka-Bar&#x27; knife, since I&#x27;ve both been in the Marine Corps and am into knives: the military doesn&#x27;t use it. In the real world, if you want a knife in the service, you typically buy it yourself.<p>Does the USMC still use &#x27;bayonets&#x27;? Yes, in certain circumstances they&#x27;re issued--but it&#x27;s not common, and it&#x27;s not the Ka-Bar, it&#x27;s another brand (I forget which one).<p>TL;DR: Ka-Bar &#x27;USMC knives&#x27; are a marketing gimmick.
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Arubisalmost 4 years ago
Non-professional customers know this, to an approximation. And marketers know that those customers know that. Hence the both the “prosumer” market and the conflation of premium and luxury product lines: “We Are Professional Grade” for expensive trucks, “AirPods Pro” for a luxury product, the upcoming “Nintendo Switch Pro”, etc.
yt-sdbalmost 4 years ago
I do this with clothes. You can buy a good pair of hiking shoes or a lightweight waterproof jacket for the same price as design-oriented goods. Why pay Nike for a logo when I can pay Salomon for durability and tread? Same thing with luggage: I buy cycling oriented backpacks and duffle bags because they’re strong and waterproof.
airhead969almost 4 years ago
Another marketplace: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.govdeals.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.govdeals.com</a><p>Also, a used Oshkosh M983 as a soccer mom grocery getter. Whenever anyone cuts her off and gives her the finger, she simply shifts into 8x8 mode and drives over them. <i>crunch crunch-crunch</i> &#x2F;s<p>The mixer is hipster ridiculous but hilarious. In practice, you can get a Kitchen Aid for $200.<p>I have my grandparent&#x27;s Kirby G3 and found the older real HEPA replacement bags (not the new crap ones that dropped the certifications and may not perform as well). It&#x27;s not an industrial movie theater vacuum or an ice rink zamboni, but it&#x27;s more of a tank than a Bose, I mean, Dyson or a Samsung piece of plastic.<p>Speaking of which: if you live in a climate where it snows and freezes, a Zamboni in the garage is essential to making the local kids street ice hockey tournaments happen.
Animatsalmost 4 years ago
I have a ruggedized phone with Caterpillar Tractor branding. There are other waterproof and rugged phones now, but a few years ago, they were the first to have a smartphone with reasonable toughness. (Of course, before smartphones, there was Nokia.) I have it so that if I get dumped off the horse, I can call for help.
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snthalmost 4 years ago
I really like the sentiment, if not some of the specific examples given. An example of my own: I went through several grocery-store-bought hair clippers before getting some &quot;pro&quot; clippers: Oster Classic 76. They work better, they are more repairable and serviceable, and they&#x27;ve lasted me for years.
soheilalmost 4 years ago
Commercial products are generally better made and more focused. It&#x27;s because the world of business is more logical and people are not tempted buy garbage just because they like the actor in a TV commercial. It&#x27;s about the bottom line, if the product sucks in any shape or form the business would not be a savvy one if it did not buy a better product and would go out of business soon. Not the case when you have disposable income and are not responsible to your shareholders. You&#x27;re also in the same club as shoppers as Home Shopping Network channel. Products all of a sudden don&#x27;t need to actually be good, they just need to convince enough of its targeted consumers that it is, be it because they&#x27;re old and confused and watching TV at 3am or because they saw an ad that was pretty convincing.
bluedinoalmost 4 years ago
I see this all the time. Friend of mine bought a $200 Milwaukee drill to put up a couple picture frames.
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fnord77almost 4 years ago
one drawback of commercial supply houses is very expensive shipping costs. shipping for a small order may be more than what you&#x27;re buying
Gravitylossalmost 4 years ago
A local company, Varusteleka has been extremely successful and grown rapidly from selling military surplus equipment bought from here and there as well as &quot;tactical&quot; looking stuff made cheaply somewhere.<p>I&#x27;ve bought for example some Swiss army surplus towels for a bike trip. They were really good (small, durable, functional, beautiful) but a bit too small so you couldn&#x27;t wrap one around yourself.<p>They probably get the surplus stuff almost for free, from all around the world. I think it&#x27;s great, making something desirable out of waste.<p>Having served, I think a lot of military equipment is really bad, especially clothing. It&#x27;s bought not by the users but by the organization.
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dustedalmost 4 years ago
Definitely doing this, if I need something I will look for the industrial option first, we don&#x27;t have a big military industrial complex in Denmark, so I can&#x27;t go milspec. Vacuum cleaners is a great place to start,
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Metacelsusalmost 4 years ago
&gt;VWR - This is my kitchen goods store. Usually sells billions of dollars of things to labs around the world.<p>These days they&#x27;re notorious for shipping backlogs (my lab ordered things 5 months ago and still hasn&#x27;t got them).
birdyroosteralmost 4 years ago
If this guy doesn’t have sticky-surface mats entering his house I will be upset.
pramalmost 4 years ago
IDK about that one in the article, but I had an M9 knife in SERE school with a wooden handle and I thought it was absolute crap. Just because it gets issued by the military doesn&#x27;t mean it&#x27;s good lol
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kwdcalmost 4 years ago
I&#x27;d have thought putting a linux kernel, web server, web client all in a power switch just to turn said power on&#x2F;off is overkill, but hey, people are different.<p>For me, a hammock beats an office chair any day.
jerome-jhalmost 4 years ago
When I looked for respiratory masks on a medical supply site, I realized 70°-90° alcohol, single use gloves, liquid soap, tweezers, etc were much cheaper here than on any other website, and especially Amazon which is filled with crap and scams. I now buy from it about twice a year, both for medical stuff and DIY stuff. Delivery is not free (but still fair) and can take about a week since they serve professionals first.
neop1xalmost 4 years ago
I bought an industrial microwave without the rotating plate many years ago and it still works perfectly to this day and heats evenly enough. :) I would never buy a cheap, retail microwave. Not always but sometimes &quot;I am not wealthy enough to buy cheap things&quot; holds and sometimes industrial-grade equipment designed to be running almost 24&#x2F;7 is obviously more durable than a retail imitation.
xtiansimonalmost 4 years ago
Imagined this would be about people buying construction-grade tools from Home Depot for the house.<p>I also had a brief recall of the generally med to low quality of home goods my great grandparents would buy from Sears or Montgomery Wards for the kitchen. 1950s 60s 70s. Compared to what my parents bought in the 80s, 90s— over the top quality you would get at Macy’s or, if you had one nearby, a restaurant supply store.
zzo38computeralmost 4 years ago
I can comment about the things mentioned at the end. I don&#x27;t like touch screens, and I don&#x27;t like &quot;smart&quot; TV sets either (the functions other than the display can be done by the VCR instead; I do have a VCR that can decode captions). (Although, I would want to be able to adjust the picture settings on the TV.)
nullcalmost 4 years ago
We&#x27;ve used borosilicate lab glass (mostly beakers) at home for over a decade. We&#x27;re pretty happy with them.
bifftasticalmost 4 years ago
This reminded me of this old post from the late Erik Naggum on comp.lang.lisp: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.xach.com&#x2F;naggum&#x2F;articles&#x2F;3147591653434816_-_@naggum.no.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.xach.com&#x2F;naggum&#x2F;articles&#x2F;3147591653434816_-_@nag...</a>
cosmodiskalmost 4 years ago
When I was a kid I had a winter tanker helmet form soviet army. It was super cool thing and my dad I used to put it on every now and then to have some fun. Now at some point I&#x27;m hoping to have enough money to buy that ejector seat- It&#x27;d be an ultimate item at home or in a office!
alephnanalmost 4 years ago
In Japan, Home Depot Gardening Section &#x2F; Military &#x2F; Retrofuturistic Chic is turned a relatively high-end design aesthetic. Think Restoration Hardware<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dulton.jp&#x2F;onlineshop&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dulton.jp&#x2F;onlineshop&#x2F;</a>
Tucanixalmost 4 years ago
I taught myself how to repair stuff so now I can get a lot of stuff for nearly free and repair what I already own. You can buy spare parts for almost anything online today, or even find an alternative part that is cheaper. People throw out things that are barely broken.
ggmalmost 4 years ago
Basically, 99% of everyone reading this, their laptop is this but wrapped up.<p>Nobody &quot;needs&quot; a solid aluminium billet NMC ground down to high tolerance shape mac). The ThinkPad experience, is defined as a sell-job on &quot;you need this&quot;
nrvnalmost 4 years ago
There was a similar, less sarcastic post and relevant duscussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13909365" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13909365</a>
gnarbarianalmost 4 years ago
I purchased a 30-in steel barrel fan from home Depot 3 years ago and I maintain it is the best fan I&#x27;ve ever owned
spaetzleesseralmost 4 years ago
I would say most cars are complete overkill. You don’t need 300hp cars to drive around in cities.
krickalmost 4 years ago
I don&#x27;t agree with the punchline. This is a nice thing to flex, and I don&#x27;t have anything bad to say about buying military&#x2F;professional&#x2F;etc stuff when you actually need, but taken literally this is just straight-up a terrible advice. In fact, as someone who is way over-meticulous and tends to overthink when buying stuff, I&#x27;m advicing myself (and anyone who is like me in that regard) the polar opposite: if you don&#x27;t 100% know what you need, just buy (reasonably) cheap simple stuff. Both OP and I just <i>love</i> that feeling of &quot;owning the best stuff&quot;, but this is sickness. I <i>just need a toaster</i>, for God&#x27;s sake, I shouldn&#x27;t spend 2 evening looking for and $200 buying &quot;the best stuff&quot;. &quot;$5 Chinese crap&quot; will do just fine, and, no, it won&#x27;t break. And if it won&#x27;t do just fine, I can just throw it away and buy a better thing, now knowing what exactly do I need and why the cheapest option wasn&#x27;t enough. Similarly like if you&#x27;ve just gotten into climbing, it would be stupid of you to buy the most expensive La Sportiva shoes: you don&#x27;t know how to use them anyway, and it will be horrible experience. You can buy La Sportiva if you want, but just get a fucking model for beginners. But, really, if you buy half as expensive &quot;meh&quot; brand shoes, you&#x27;ll be just fine for the first 6 months too. And, yeah, having a beaker as your glassware is cool, but many people would appreciate it more if you&#x27;d serve them beer in an actual glass or cup, which is way cheaper and easier to get.<p>But, anyway, the punchline isn&#x27;t why I&#x27;m writing this: I&#x27;d just ignore that if there would be nothing interesting here. What actually strikes me is &quot;I don&#x27;t think corporations&#x2F;businesses are to blame&quot; part. I mean, I don&#x27;t care whom to blame, this is counter-productive. But I&#x27;ve been thinking about that lately, and I cannot let go of the idea that customers being that horribly misinformed is a real problem. This isn&#x27;t something given. Customer disinformation is an active pursuit of corporations. And, you know what, if I spend a few weeks on the problem, I think I can get an idea of what do I need from a microwave. But everyday I am &quot;choosing&quot; countless stuff just by selecting the &quot;most trustworthy&quot; package. I have no idea what toilet cleaning products should contain, what actually makes them effective and if there is any difference besides the price. I know that 80% of everything written on toothpaste or shampoo package is a lie, but I have no idea what isn&#x27;t. And this really shouldn&#x27;t be that hard, people should have at least somewhat clear idea of what is essential, and what is just their preference. Whole markets exist simply by virtue making it a customers&#x27; habit to buy their stuff, without knowing why they do so.<p>This isn&#x27;t anything new, of course, even though every generation tends to think that <i>nowadays</i> ads are especially horrible and misleading. But given how much some jurisdictions appear to care about fair treatment of customers, I think more money could be spent by governments on countering corporate activity in this area, not helping them. Not necessarily by forbidding stuff, just by sponsoring studies and keeping folks informed.
dukeofdoomalmost 4 years ago
On the other end of the spectrum. 4k Prosumer Canon cameras purposely designed to overheat.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=X1u-9YqrIJc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=X1u-9YqrIJc</a>
swader999almost 4 years ago
I went pro with my chainsaw and never regretted it.
Yajirobealmost 4 years ago
&gt; The average consumer is an idiot<p>Excuse me?
aledalgrandealmost 4 years ago
Love how extra the choices are XD All OP&#x2F;level 99 items!
intricatedetailalmost 4 years ago
I like how domain name is an overkill.
neonologicalalmost 4 years ago
Consumer grade products are deliberately designed to fail.<p>This is why: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=j5v8D-alAKE&amp;t=833s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=j5v8D-alAKE&amp;t=833s</a><p>If you&#x27;re older, like really old, you can actually remember a time where products were of a much much higher durability before the industry figured out that low durability products were more profitable.<p>So in actuality some of the suggestions on that site aren&#x27;t necessarily overkill as industrial products aren&#x27;t deliberately engineered to fail.
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