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German environmental groups file objection against Tesla gigafactory permit

28 pointsby mikesabbaghalmost 4 years ago

10 comments

tut-urut-ututalmost 4 years ago
Environmental groups file objections against every single major project in Germany. That&#x27;s probably one of the reasons why major infrastructure projects in Germany never finish on time.<p>I&#x27;m all for environment, but sometimes these complaints are just for complaint&#x27;s sake.
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fuzzy2almost 4 years ago
It’s difficult to strike a balance between hysteria and justified skepticism. Especially with topics like electric cars.<p>However, I believe this isn’t really about the environment. It’s about corruption, real or imaginary. People are afraid that companies, especially big companies, have it all too easy with the bureaucratic process, while individuals or small companies are stonewalled at every turn.<p>If it makes municipality money, anything goes. Otherwise, not so much.
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WanderPandaalmost 4 years ago
From first hand experience I know that these „environmental“ groups are also big in blocking smaller projects like wind turbines. In the end they are ultra conservative but can paint themselves in a modern, green way
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gglnxalmost 4 years ago
The news is a little bit short, but the objection to the first tests of their machines is, that in a case of emergency the current safety concept lacks measures to prevent the escaping of hydrogen fluoride (see the open letter in German by the Grüne Liga Brandenburg here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.grueneliga-brandenburg.de&#x2F;index.php?cat=2&amp;pageID=206" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.grueneliga-brandenburg.de&#x2F;index.php?cat=2&amp;pageID...</a>). They claim that changes to this safety concept will require changes to the factory itself and this changes need to be implemented first, before Tesla can start with it&#x27;s tests.
durnygburalmost 4 years ago
Good luck setting up in Germany a manufactury alternative to Daimler, BMW, Audi, or VW. It&#x27;s literally a threat to their existence and they&#x27;ll react accordingly. Sometimes it shows how disconnected Americans are from the local European realities. Even if Tesla will succeed they&#x27;ll have to fly workers from Ukraine, Branderburg is a demographical desert. Czechia, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania are desperate to subcontract for automotive, they&#x27;ll literally suck every dick and rubberstamp every papper to have it on their soil.
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xclralmost 4 years ago
The Morgenthau plan to turn Germany into an agrarian nation is finally being implemented by Green&#x2F;Left.
homarpalmost 4 years ago
more info <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www-grueneliga--brandenburg-de.translate.goog&#x2F;index.php?cat=9&amp;pageID=205&amp;page=1&amp;_x_tr_sl=de&amp;_x_tr_tl=en&amp;_x_tr_hl=es&amp;_x_tr_pto=ajax" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www-grueneliga--brandenburg-de.translate.goog&#x2F;index....</a> (google translate link)<p>and the previous entry: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.grueneliga-brandenburg.de&#x2F;index.php?cat=9&amp;pageID=196" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.grueneliga-brandenburg.de&#x2F;index.php?cat=9&amp;pageID...</a> (not google translated)
yawaworht1978almost 4 years ago
Elon should be happy that on Mars, there will be neither a regulatory body nor environmental groups.<p>Maybe they should just cheat like VW did? &#x2F;S I see some objections here saying the level of &quot;green&quot; should be more related to the cars itself, not production. I find this is a bit like enjoying the sausage but looking away from how they are made, because it is rather nasty.<p>Tesla has a way of presenting a &quot; clean&quot; product , but plays very dirty on all other fronts, like pricing lies , fsd promises which never materialize etc<p>I think the whole supply chain , including production do contribute to how green a product is.
avereveardalmost 4 years ago
Everyone wants a green future as long as it&#x27;s manufacturer in Africa or Asia
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yawaworht1978almost 4 years ago
Goes to show how &quot;green&quot; Tesla is outside of the brainwashed choir.
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