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What can a technologist do about climate change? (2015)

42 pointsby manxalmost 4 years ago

19 comments

dangalmost 4 years ago
Some past threads:<p><i>Ask HN: What can a technologist do about climate change?</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25436237" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25436237</a> - Dec 2020 (47 comments)<p><i>What can a technologist do about climate change? (2015)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23153043" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=23153043</a> - May 2020 (32 comments)<p><i>What Can a Technologist Do About Climate Change? (2015)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20520183" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20520183</a> - July 2019 (12 comments)<p><i>What can a technologist do about climate change? (2015)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19259106" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19259106</a> - Feb 2019 (46 comments)<p><i>What can a technologist do about climate change? (2015)</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16505675" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16505675</a> - March 2018 (10 comments)<p><i>What can a technologist do about climate change?</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10622615" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=10622615</a> - Nov 2015 (289 comments)
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carapacealmost 4 years ago
Use less energy.<p>Here&#x27;s Václav Smil at Driva Climate Investment Meeting 2019 giving a talk called &quot;Investing in a changing climate – what we can learn from historic energy transitions&quot;. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;gkj_91IJVBk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;gkj_91IJVBk</a><p>The conclusion is sobering: &quot;Only absolute cuts in energy use would work.&quot; ( <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;gkj_91IJVBk?t=2283" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;gkj_91IJVBk?t=2283</a> )<p>We can do this and most of the technology needed is already invented and available, we just have to get our act together as a species and start using our tech efficiently. We don&#x27;t have to endure a lower quality of life, just eliminating waste would get us most of the way there.
seb1204almost 4 years ago
He can do what everyone can do. Live a more conscious life, consume less, buy high quality consumer products that last longer, re-use reduce recycle, talk about it, advocate better choices. Consume greenery&#x2F;renewable energy, take public transportation, engaged in politics.
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soroushjpalmost 4 years ago
If you&#x27;re looking for ways to contribute positively to the fight against climate change, check out relevant job boards like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jobs.climatebase.org&#x2F;jobs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jobs.climatebase.org&#x2F;jobs</a> (no affiliation).<p>I also lead engineering over at Vow (vowfood.com), where we&#x27;re hoping to transition the world to cell-cultured meat as a way to dramatically cut back on global emissions, since a quarter of all GHG emissions are food related.[1][2] If you&#x27;re a Software or Mechatronics Engineer who wants to learn more, shoot me a message. We&#x27;re hiring in Sydney and for experienced remote software engineers as well.<p>* 1: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;science.sciencemag.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;360&#x2F;6392&#x2F;987" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;science.sciencemag.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;360&#x2F;6392&#x2F;987</a> * 2: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gfi.org&#x2F;resource&#x2F;cultivated-meat-lca-and-tea-policy-recommendations&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;gfi.org&#x2F;resource&#x2F;cultivated-meat-lca-and-tea-policy-...</a>
thysultanalmost 4 years ago
Buy seeds, and seal them with little sprinkles of wisdom like fortune cookies in places that would be accessible in the aftermath, the new inheritors of the earth will regard you as a prophet or god when they re-learn the ancient art of farming.
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leucineleprec0nalmost 4 years ago
Stop using X86 chips. I kid, but encouraging more efficient server architecture is surely meaningfully beneficial and will only prove moreso in the near future. Also: don&#x27;t buy coins.
dr_dshivalmost 4 years ago
R&amp;D for marine layer cloud brightening— perhaps using engines to loft salt water behind containerships could efficiently seed low clouds at a massive scale.
x0054almost 4 years ago
Stop using inefficient server side languages in the name of “developer efficiently”? That could cut some CO2. AWS doesn’t run on magic dust.
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Syonykalmost 4 years ago
Buy a Raspberry Pi 4. Use it once a week as your main computer.<p>I&#x27;m serious. So much waste (power, e-waste, etc) is generated by the never ending rush towards more and more computationally complex computing that, for the most part, does what we did 5, 10, 20 years ago but on a fraction the compute and a fraction the power.<p>It drives me up the wall just how bloated most modern code is. A &quot;chat application&quot; is now, often enough, an Electron app with a couple hundred megabyte download size, a memory footprint in the high hundreds of MB, and a CPU burn of &quot;Well, it hasn&#x27;t pegged out the CPU yet so typing is still fast enough... oh, wait, there it goes lagging.&quot; For passing around text messages that are no different from what we used to do on AIM back in the 90s, or, for that matter, still do on IRC today on native applications.<p>I&#x27;ve noticed a definite trend with web stuff in the past 5 years, which is that it works great if you&#x27;re on a high end workstation with a 4k monitor or two and gobs of RAM - the sort of thing companies tend to provide to web developers (Google, I&#x27;m looking at <i>you</i>). Try to use the same stuff on lower power, older hardware, and... well, it simply doesn&#x27;t work.<p>I&#x27;m still pretty bitter about the fact that Google&#x27;s &quot;New&quot; Blogger interface is, quite literally, unusable on older hardware once you have a decent number of photos in the post. I&#x27;ve no idea why the speed of typing text is dependent on the number of images in the post, but it is, and you can even bring a modern high end machine to a crawl if you put enough images in (some larger-than-reasonable number, but it shouldn&#x27;t matter in the first place). A couple people with high end workstations utterly ruined a perfectly functional interface and made it impossible to write text-and-photos blog posts on older hardware that used to work just fine, for the sake of some responsive, mobile-first rubbish - on a <i>blogging</i> platform. It&#x27;s quite literally as far from mobile-first as one can get, for the editor side.<p>Even the power efficient looking stuff we do often has a large power budget on the backend (see &quot;most phone applications that talk to a bunch of cloud servers&quot;).<p>But if you can&#x27;t run a basic task on a Pi 4, you <i>really</i> need to be reconsidering your approach to the problem.<p>========<p>Beyond that particular thorn of mine, if you&#x27;re in the tech industry and concerned about climate change... does it show? Could someone else looking at your life tell you&#x27;re concerned about climate change, or do you just look like any other high income consumer, buying shiny luxury toys and jetting around the world?<p>I&#x27;ll suggest that &quot;consuming our way out of problems largely caused by overconsumption&quot; isn&#x27;t a strategy to actually <i>solve</i> problems, though it&#x27;s quite profitable for those selling the &quot;green&quot; solutions.<p>Edit: And while I&#x27;m at it, I&#x27;d just like to point out that Starlink access terminals, at least the one I have, consume a reliable 2+kWh&#x2F;day, so about 750kWh&#x2F;yr. Per Dishy. That&#x27;s pretty well absurd for an internet connection terminal alone.
warlogalmost 4 years ago
Please stop using per capita. The system will persist or collapse based on absolute amounts of CO2, pollution, etc. Per capita is not helpful except to deflect blame. It&#x27;s a political tool rather than a useful tool.
d_silinalmost 4 years ago
Understand that you can&#x27;t solve society-wide issues with technology alone.
titoalmost 4 years ago
Hackers can join (or start) an air mining company working on how to pull carbon from the air economically: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;airminers.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;airminers.org&#x2F;</a>
rhackeralmost 4 years ago
Keep mining bitcoin and donate the profits to research reducing the electricity cost of proof of work. &#x2F;sarc
anonporridgealmost 4 years ago
The best thing everyone can do is have fewer children.<p>This is the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about.
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antonzabirkoalmost 4 years ago
Nothing, you cannot do anything to compete with the gargantuan mount of emissions corporate makes.
robomartinalmost 4 years ago
By a &quot;technologist&quot; I assume this means someone with a reasonable level of study of science.<p>If that&#x27;s the case, you need to start pushing hard to become a voice for reason.<p>What&#x27;s going on with climate change is truly disgusting. It&#x27;s a political football that, at least in the US, both political extremes use to gather an audience.<p>Deniers are demented.<p>And zealots are just as crazy.<p>&quot;The fight against climate change&quot; is a commonly used phrase. And, yes, this is crazy.<p>Please, &quot;technologists&quot;, engage your brain and do some math. Please explain how it is that we can &quot;fight&quot; planetary scale effects that require 50K to 100K years for a meaningful change by doing any of the things we are being told to do.<p>First you have to understand the baseline.<p>What is the baseline?<p>How long would it take for a 100 ppm reduction in CO2 if humanity did not exist? All of our technology and all of us gone. Poof.<p>How long?<p>We know this with great accuracy. The answer is a range between 50K and 100K years.<p>50K and 100K years.<p>How do we know this with such certainty?<p>Ice core atmospheric samples going back 800K years. This is a highly accurate and reliable dataset of what the planet was doing when we were not mucking with it.<p>Where do you find such data?<p>Here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdiac.ess-dive.lbl.gov&#x2F;trends&#x2F;co2&#x2F;ice_core_co2.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cdiac.ess-dive.lbl.gov&#x2F;trends&#x2F;co2&#x2F;ice_core_co2.html</a><p>All you have to do is apply very basic analysis to determine the slopes of the up&#x2F;down cycles to reach a very simple conclusion:<p>We cannot do a thing about climate change.<p>Why?<p>Because if we left the planet entirely it would take 100K years for CO2 concentration to come down by 100 ppm.<p>What do you think is going to happen if we do anything LESS than leave the planet?<p>The answer is very simple: Nothing. Well, not nothing. Atmospheric CO2 will not drop. It might stabilize at some higher level at some point in the future. Drop? No way in hell.<p>Use less energy you say? How is that BETTER than leaving the planet? Leaving the planet puts us on a slope of -100 ppm in 100K years. Using less energy? It won&#x27;t even bend the curve.<p>Drive electric cars? How is that BETTER than leaving the planet? It isn&#x27;t. It won&#x27;t do a thing.<p>Stop using oil and its derivative products? How is that BETTER than leaving the planet? It isn&#x27;t. It won&#x27;t do a thing. Besides, this is impossible.<p>I am not trying to be a defeatist here. When the data tells you everyone is missing the true conclusion by a light year, all you can do is your best to make people think.<p>If you think you can &quot;fight&quot; climate change, stop, study the data I provided a link to, do some math (YOU HAVE TO DO SOME MATH TO UNDERSTAND THIS) and then realize we are mercilessly lying to ourselves.<p>As for climate change deniers: The above doesn&#x27;t mean you are right. In fact, you are horribly wrong. Once again, look at the data. Climate change is very real. And yes, we made it worse.<p>So, what can you do as a &quot;technologist&quot;?<p>Understand the truth and force a shift in the conversation towards what we have to do in order to deal with the reality of the matter rather than some fantasy being used for political and financial gain.<p>I have been asking people from varied disciplines to refute my conclusion (scientifically, not with &quot;feelings&quot;, blind political alignment or religion) --because I WANT to be wrong. In the decade or so since reaching this conclusion nobody has offered any argument against the baseline of the ice core sample data and the conclusion it represents.<p>The best paper I found so far that hints at a &quot;we can&#x27;t do a thing about it&quot; conclusion is this one:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;storage.googleapis.com&#x2F;pub-tools-public-publication-data&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;43326.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;storage.googleapis.com&#x2F;pub-tools-public-publication-...</a><p>If you are a &quot;technologist&quot; this is definitely worth reading.
seltzered_almost 4 years ago
1. One thing to do is to reframe from not just climate change to thinking in terms of planetary boundaries. The stockholm resilience center goes into this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stockholmresilience.org&#x2F;research&#x2F;planetary-boundaries.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.stockholmresilience.org&#x2F;research&#x2F;planetary-bound...</a> . There&#x27;s even a netflix documentary out now called &#x27;Breaking Boundaries&#x27; hosted by David Attenborough and all. I stress this because too many people think just in terms of climate and not also recognize biodiversity collapse, biogeochemical flows, etc. There may be opportunities in thinking about regions more from this standpoint too, a la Kate Raworth&#x27;s Doughnut Economics.<p>2. Realize there are social practices to help deal with some of these problems, not necessarily just technological fixes. Things like possibly working at a neighborhood scale to have more local circular flows, cohousing, etc.<p>3. Have some concern that a route of having a &#x27;climate&#x27; plan may accidentally end up with more ghg emissions or miss the mark on environmental&#x2F;social issues. Some things I&#x27;ve been thinking about lately have been the results of south korea&#x27;s climate plan ( <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;x0ckvo2Z5BU?t=4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;x0ckvo2Z5BU?t=4</a> ) and an argument that the green new deal is a moral hazard ( <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=DSae5F__yQc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=DSae5F__yQc</a> )<p>4. Think about niche construction, and what caused anthropogenic climate change - getting into the economic &amp; social factors.<p>5. Consider that it&#x27;s possible to do ecosystem restoration, as evangelized by groups like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ecosystemrestorationcamps.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ecosystemrestorationcamps.org</a> , <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ecosystemguild.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ecosystemguild.org</a> , etc. There&#x27;s also things under the umbrella of &#x27;assisted migration&#x27; as climactic shifts happen.<p>6. Some of the more basic things like water might be of more interest than energy depending on where you are. There&#x27;s all sorts of things to be talked about in terms of &#x27;decentralizing water&#x27;. Again, goes in hand with understanding ecosystems.<p>While super inspirational, I&#x27;ve actually found myself rethinking what worrydream wrote in this piece. It&#x27;s too focused on just climate - feeling a bit too inspired by Saul Griffith (who with the otherlab team&#x27;s creating amazing things like <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;energyliteracy.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;energyliteracy.com</a> ). Some like Joe Brewer have already touched on all this with &#x27;The Design Pathway for Regenerating Earth&#x27; - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chelseagreen.com&#x2F;product&#x2F;the-design-pathway-for-regenerating-earth&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chelseagreen.com&#x2F;product&#x2F;the-design-pathway-for-...</a> (bias: I know the author, google the book), works from the Post-Carbon Institute, etc.
howmayiannoyyoualmost 4 years ago
Nothing. China emits more greenhouse gas than the entire developed world combined, a new report has claimed. The research by Rhodium Group says China emitted 27% of the world&#x27;s greenhouse gases in 2019. Any version of a &quot;green new deal&quot; changes nothing globally until China and several other major polluting nations join the fight.
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swader999almost 4 years ago
Don&#x27;t worry about it. Sea level is rising 1-3 mm a year, temp has only increased .04 C per year the last thirty. We can easily adapt.
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