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The Swiss reject key climate change measures

54 pointsby ratsforhorsesalmost 4 years ago

16 comments

version_fivealmost 4 years ago
The Swiss rejected some taxes.<p>I think this is an important distinction compared to &quot;climate change measures&quot;. The (very slim) majority may feel that such taxes are not the best way to deal with climate change, and support other ideas instead. There are a lot of politicians presenting the false choice of wealth redistribution or climate change apathy. There are other ways of looking at this, which I don&#x27;t think are captured by framing it as them having rejected climate change measures.
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IdiocyInActionalmost 4 years ago
* Swiss CO2 emissions (metric tons per capita): 4.17<p>* US CO2 emissions (metric tons per capita): 15.5<p>Switzerland is already among the lowest polluters in the EU and much lower than Australia&#x2F;Canada&#x2F;US. Just for context.
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T-Aalmost 4 years ago
21 cantons (out of 26) voted against. Looking at the geographic distribution [1] it&#x27;s evident support was narrowly concentrated to cities like Geneva, Zürich and Basel.<p>Conclusion: people who need their car on a daily basis think that gasoline is expensive enough at 6.492 USD&#x2F;gallon [2] (as of June 7, when US drivers paid 3.399 USD&#x2F;gallon according to the same site).<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bluewin.ch&#x2F;de&#x2F;news&#x2F;schweiz&#x2F;so-stimmt-deine-gemeinde-uebers-co2-gesetz-ab-751191.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bluewin.ch&#x2F;de&#x2F;news&#x2F;schweiz&#x2F;so-stimmt-deine-gemei...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.globalpetrolprices.com&#x2F;Switzerland&#x2F;gasoline_prices&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.globalpetrolprices.com&#x2F;Switzerland&#x2F;gasoline_pric...</a>
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dblockalmost 4 years ago
(I’m Swiss)<p>This was a question of money. The Swiss were asked to be taxed (even more than they already are). They voted against the costs.
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shafyyalmost 4 years ago
The proposed measures were not going far enough. Not by a long shot. For example, all (larger) companies were excluded from paying for CO2 emissions. Also, there were no measures targetting agriculture and food systems in general.<p>A big chunk of the revenues would have been used for a &quot;climate fund&quot; which is supposed to invest in tech climate solutions (whatever that means), and another chunk invested into health insurance. Another part would have been invested in renewables directly (which is great).<p>While one could argue that this would have been better than nothing, I hope that this rejection leads to a better proposal in the future which targets big polluters (although I don&#x27;t think it will, one can still hope).
mustafa_pasialmost 4 years ago
&quot;Fighting&quot; climate change on a national level like this is disingenuous. It is not going to accomplish anything. There needs to be global agreements involving the biggest players. Else it is just a self inflicted penalty that accomplishes nothing.
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Rochusalmost 4 years ago
A thirty-page law was rejected by the people because it apparently contained highly contentious parts. That is all that can be concluded from it. The Federal Council and parliament will now draft a new law that is less contentious. Journalists should first take a closer look at how the political system in Switzerland works before jumping to conclusions. The Swiss didn&#x27;t reject climage change measures, just a contentious law. There are already a lot of measures in force besides this law.
Google234almost 4 years ago
We need more referendums in the US. It would nice to see the people rebuke the far left and right more often.
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robocatalmost 4 years ago
The reference point for the Swiss national height network is 373.6 metres.<p>So they can somewhat ignore rising sea levels.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Metres_above_the_Sea_(Switzerland)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Metres_above_the_Sea_(Switzerl...</a>
thysultanalmost 4 years ago
&gt;car fuel levy, tax on air tickets.<p>Non of which would have done anything but raise prices for the aforementioned, it was just a swiss politicians hustle to try and tax citizens masqueraded as &quot;climate measures&quot;.
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pietrodalmost 4 years ago
the states just found a new way, summary: &quot;oh no, you wont give us money? you hate our planet!&quot;
qalmakkaalmost 4 years ago
This isn&#x27;t that weird. People will always prefer avoiding short-term money losses than a danger they perceive as being &quot;in the future&quot;. No one will ever win a referendum about levying taxes, no matter how important or just those are. That&#x27;s why countries like Italy explicitly forbid referenda on economic matters.
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Causality1almost 4 years ago
Smart, in my opinion. Industrial producers are engaged in a massive and well-funded propaganda campaign aimed at distracting people from the fact the overwhelming majority of carbon emissions are from industrial and commercial sources. Even in a car-happy country like the US, personal vehicle use including commuting only makes up 16 percent of carbon emissions.
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pyuser583almost 4 years ago
Is there a certain point where we say “it’s going to be worse case climate scenario, let’s prepare?”<p>I’m asking for a friend from a different planet …
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ArkanExploreralmost 4 years ago
It would be very interesting to see a breakdown of voting by age. Environmental destruction has a much greater impact to the young.
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ratsforhorsesalmost 4 years ago
It&#x27;s a sad but apocryphal reality that direct democracy is often the rule of the minority...
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