I wish HN would apply the same rules to discussions about Tesla as they recently have for Bitcoin. It's always the same predictable comments about how Elon's a liar, AP is a scam and Tesla is overvalued and overhyped. Gets so boring.
I think there’s enough Teslas on the road now that I’m willing to accept that each could be an independent and reasonable incident, unless routine investigation shows otherwise.
Just sort of a thought experiment...<p>I wonder if non-crashes - situations where the car took evasive action - may have been logged and could also be investigated?<p>On the other hand, evasive actions may be higher because drivers cede more control to the car.
So what? This is the NHTSA job.<p>In the future every single car accident will be investigated, like it is done with airplanes, that is the advantage of autonomous cars, they log everything before the accident.<p>That is what made airplanes so safe that the last accidents have been basically suicidal pilots:<p>You investigate what creates accidents, you learn and take actions so accidents do not happen again. Rinse and repeat.<p>Lots of the "bugs" they are going to find are not in the cars, but in the roads, like perpendicular road crossings (too common in the US), instead of roundabouts, or concrete medians with sudden changes and no visual clues.
It's not surprising. Tesla marketing is basically a scam. The tech is great, but Tesla always overpromise, underdeliver, and lie.<p>The worst part is that few people seems to care or understand that it's BS. Take the latest launch as an example. The car is stated to do 0-60 in 1.99 seconds. Does it do that? No, not even close. It's also supposed to know if you want to go forward or back, and people are surprised when it doesn't do that.<p>And then comes the most dangerous part: Autopilot and full self driving. Tesla cars has over multiple years promised that you can rent out your car as a robotaxi soon if you get the self driving package. Has that happened? No. Will it any time soon? No.<p>Not only is people surprised when self driving doesn't work, but it also has fatal consequences.<p>Heck, even I who have no experience or insights into Tesla can much more accurately than Elon tell people what Tesla will and won't be able to do. And I do of course think Elon knows more, but he chooses to trick people to buy Tesla.<p>This needs to stop...
It is so sad to me that the best electric drivetrain in the world is in a car where they have made pretty much every decision with the goal of taking away from the drivers experience.<p>I don't want the car to drive for me. I don't want the car to shift for me. I don't want a yolk steering wheel, or to have the turn signals be a 1cm moving target, or to have to use the touch screen to change the headlights, turn on my seat heater, or open the glovebox. I just want a car that gives me the control, and has controls I can actually operate safely while driving, while still having the best drivetrain in the world.
Autonomous driving needs to be banned and then it needs to be regulated. I don't think Tesla has as high safety standards as what we are used to.<p>Even if data showed 0 accidents, I just cannot trust camera's and software with my and others lives.
This number is not telling the full story, a Tesla crash with the assisted driving system often has catastrophic consequences.<p>Time to clip this mountebank swindler Elon a bit.<p>The lawmakers are to be blamed equally however. Try getting aftermarket wheels or exhaust system in most of Europe and you will find that requires homologation.
Meanwhile, Tesla OTA updates fly under the radar.<p>Nobody took it serious in the beginning because the sales numbers have been low and probably to not disrupt "the future".<p>But by now, there are plenty of Tesla's with naive conductors who are misled by the marketing and think they are in something like K.I.T.T ( or call it musk industries 420 ).