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Launch HN: Hedgehog (YC S21) – Cryptocurrency Portfolio Manager

158 pointsby cadillionalmost 4 years ago
Hey HN! We&#x27;re Taylor, Colton, and Jason, the founders of Hedgehog (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hedgehog.app" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hedgehog.app</a>). We&#x27;re building a portfolio manager to help you learn about, keep track of, and trade cryptocurrency in one place.<p>We track 2000+ actively traded currencies across 550+ wallets, aggregate data from 20 different providers, and support trading on 130+ exchanges. This helps users make informed choices about investments and find the best prices across exchanges, with price differences as high as 0.5%. We also combine live usage data with detailed research on how each coin works, so you can see for yourself why a coin could be valuable--or not.<p>We know that HN tends to be divided on cryptocurrency-related topics, with some people interested and involved and others skeptical or critical. Obviously we find ourselves in the prior camp, but we also completely agree that the excessive hype and outright scams are a problem. Somebody has already created a scam token with our name on it!<p>As early team members at Acorns (the mobile app that invests your spare change), we helped simplify traditional investing and hope to bring that same level of transparency, clarity, and rigor to cryptocurrency.<p>We first got into this space in 2017. We were running a small consulting agency when three of our clients broke their contracts in the same month: one went bankrupt, one got sued by an ex-partner, and one was based in Alabama and decided that because we were in California they simply didn&#x27;t have to pay us. We lost $30k that month.<p>That&#x27;s when we learned about Ethereum and smart contracts, and a light bulb went off. Price and volatility aside, if we simply could have used a smart contract where money is automatically deposited upon project completion, we would have ensured payment.<p>But getting into cryptocurrency is complicated, painful, and it leaves new users particularly vulnerable. Taylor once spent $20k worth of ETH on fees, simply because of a bad interface. Add in secret keys and exchange hacks and you quickly find yourself in chaos. And yet, over half of cryptocurrency owners report that it was their very first investment, ever--and their most commonly used tracking tool is Excel.<p>That’s why we built Hedgehog, to give you fine-tuned control over your portfolio: our average client trades on at least 3 exchange accounts and automatically syncs balances across more than 10 different wallets. You can also group your assets into stacks like “Banking” or “Ethereum Tokens”, apply investing strategies, and even set up a rebalance calculator to help you distribute your funds based on live metrics like market cap, daily active addresses, or transaction volume.<p>We&#x27;re already helping individuals and investment firms manage $40 million in cryptocurrency, and we are acquiring the necessary financial licenses to offer a custodial wallet that connects users directly with the best price. You will no longer need to connect your own exchanges and wallets, we’ll manage multiple currencies across multiple exchanges for you. This allows us to earn revenue by making our own markets and keeping some of the difference between prices offered by buyers and sellers.<p>Love it or hate it, the fact that there&#x27;s over $48 trillion in annual cryptocurrency exchange volume at this point makes it unlikely to go away, and there&#x27;s a ton of work to be done in wrangling it into some sort of level playing field that makes sense to people.<p>We&#x27;d love to hear what you think, even if it’s just “this market shouldn’t exist in the first place.” If you&#x27;re active in cryptocurrency (or want to be), we&#x27;d love to have you as a user and are dying to ship features you want. Please try us out at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hedgehog.app" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hedgehog.app</a>! Happy to answer any questions and hear your feedback in the comments!

32 comments

hiqalmost 4 years ago
&gt; Price and volatility aside, if we simply could have used a smart contract where money is automatically deposited upon project completion, we would have ensured payment.<p>A smart contract doesn&#x27;t allow you to do that though, so I&#x27;m not sure how much you thought this through, or if you&#x27;re only writing about your initial impression and dismissing what you learned after (I do think you realize this, as most people do after a few weeks of experience with Ethereum).<p>Either the smart contract would have automatically transferred money after a period of time, in which case it&#x27;s basically like paying in advance. Or the smart contract would have received some external information, either from the consulting company, the client, a 3rd-party or a combination thereof, to decide whether the project has been completed or not. At that point, you&#x27;re back to the problem you had without Ethereum.
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narushalmost 4 years ago
Congrats on the launch! Woop woop.<p>Two questions for y&#x27;all:<p>1. I&#x27;m wonder what your thinking is as a new, custodial crypto exchange. It&#x27;s not that I don&#x27;t think a custodial exchange can be successful (see: CB), but it seems like if the whole smart contract thesis is right, then decentralized exchanges are gonna eat the world (at least: your world). If you&#x27;re all-in on crypto, why not build something decentralized&#x2F;non-custodial? Long-term, how do you see competition against decentralized exchanges?<p>2. I read your security page, but what&#x27;s the real deal w&#x2F; your security? 2FA and all is great, but giving a service my API keys is, uh, terrifying &#x2F; something I will pretty much never do. Does anyone have a background in security &#x2F; have you done an audit? Not to be a total narc, but crypto exchanges are like, big pots of beautiful honey. More details on your security page would be nice, and for many potential users (such as myself), seem quite necessary - hopefully this is helpful feedback and not just a dunk! I might also promote security stuff to the top of the page &#x2F; more visible, it&#x27;s at least the first thing I look for on any crypto service.<p>I&#x27;ve posted on HN about blockchain stuff before (I&#x27;m generally aligned on the &quot;very interesting space, fuck scams&quot; mentality) - and I can say is good luck :) Wish you all the best + looking forward to hearing your thoughts
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centralboyalmost 4 years ago
So this is basically a centralized broker just like we have in traditional finance? I guess one difference is that users still have DMA since exchange accounts are just linked.<p>&gt; This allows us to earn revenue by making our own markets and keeping some of the difference between prices offered by buyers and sellers.<p>In other words, you route orders and users get worse prices because you MM yourself, also like traditional finance. It&#x27;s a good business model for you but as a user I&#x27;d rather see transparency and a move towards DeFi where everyone is guaranteed the same execution.
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mikkelalmost 4 years ago
I cant talk with your customers but my initial thoughts are that you should focus with laser-like attention to your customer needs. There are a lot of &quot;ands&quot; in your product. Who is your ideal customer? Is it whales tracking multiple cryptocurrencies?<p>Is your ideal customer dev teams keeping their coin alive with DCA arbitrage across multiple exchanges?<p>Wish you success, crypto is here to stay.
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polynomialalmost 4 years ago
I would only note, are we now calling them portfolios, instead of wallets? And does this reflect a shift in the understanding of and narrative around crypto as less utility based, as a way of buying ice cream and quickly sending cash to faraway places (without exorbitant fees) and as more speculative, a kind of post-internet version of pokemon, where the utility value (playing the game) can be eclipsed by the notional value of some of the more rare cards &#x2F; successful coins? Just thinking out loud here.
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aqme28almost 4 years ago
There are a hundred different portfolio trackers. To be honest, they&#x27;re all a bit lacking so there&#x27;s definitely room in this space.<p>That said, how is this portfolio tracker better than the others? Also, do you support defi?
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vmceptionalmost 4 years ago
I’m back to excel because Defi smart contracts are not tracked by anyone<p>Zapper.fi is okay but only considers the most popular contracts where all the yield is already gone<p>Thats a market need for me, good luck guys
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enlythalmost 4 years ago
The homepage displays the wrong price for cryptos (says Bitcoin is 33k but it&#x27;s above 36k)
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ksvarmaalmost 4 years ago
Hi Taylor, Colton and Jason: Great launch and wish you the best. Few issues with login and registration, hope they cleared out. I always thought about a gateway tool or a manager like this without worrying about multiple logins and apps.<p>Question: Are you also thinking about adding tax related insights when you pull portfolio?
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antiblandalmost 4 years ago
On my iPhone SE (mobile Safari), elements are being truncated on the right side of the screen, meaning I can’t view all the data. I’m not near a laptop right now, but I wonder if you’re forgetting:<p><pre><code> * { box-sizing: border-box: }</code></pre>
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keiferskialmost 4 years ago
Cool product. Just one question and one suggestion:<p>- How did you come up with the name? Any interesting stories there? Isaiah Berlin reference, possibly?<p>- On an iPhone 7, the sections at the bottom are cut off. The graph and the image links below it trail off the page.
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bromquinnalmost 4 years ago
&quot;if we simply could have used a smart contract where money is automatically deposited upon project completion, we would have ensured payment.&quot;<p>What? I didn&#x27;t know this was currently possible. Maybe you should make this your product.
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levi_nalmost 4 years ago
Love the look and feel of the site.<p>I had trouble connecting to Coinbase at first, as I guess the key I generated had too few permissions. It would be helpful if the modal specified exactly which API key permissions were required.
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throwaway743almost 4 years ago
In the privacy policy it&#x27;s stated that user data <i>isn&#x27;t</i> shared with your nonaffiliates&#x27; to market to users and that data&#x2F;information about your users&#x27; transactions and experiences <i>is</i> shared with your nonaffiliates, but it doesn&#x27;t seem to state whether or not data&#x2F;information about your users&#x27; transactions and experiences <i>is</i> or <i>is not</i> shared with nonaffiliates for non-marketing related purposes.<p>Is that data shared with your nonaffiliates?
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archerabialmost 4 years ago
For portfolio tracking, does this support defi and eth layer 2 ? Like uniswap, matic etc ?
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bibz38almost 4 years ago
Wow ! Awesome project...<p>1. Can I plug in my trading bots somehow on your app ?<p>2. How do you guys make money basicly ? Is there a monthly subscritpion or fees over exchange fees ?
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hboonalmost 4 years ago
I can’t figure out how wallets work — signed up for an account, went to Wallets, tap on Trust, but nothing seems to happen. Is it supposed to switch the (iOS) Trust app and prompt for my Ethereum address(es)?<p>PS: asking because I work on an iOS&#x2F;Android wallet app and would love to provide integration if reasonable. So researching from that angle.
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MadsRCalmost 4 years ago
I’ll definitely be checking this one out!<p>One thing I’m curious about: Will you be looking adding functionality that allows tracking of tokens that are staked using various DeFi services?<p>All the other portfolio trackers loose track of your coins the minute you add them to a pool. With so many DeFi services around, it’s easy to loose track of where one put ones tokens.
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gnrlstalmost 4 years ago
Curious how you&#x27;ll tackle the &quot;learn&quot; part, except for linking to a bunch of resources like you currently do.
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kaptainalmost 4 years ago
What’s the business model? There’s no pricing or indication of motivation&#x2F;support.
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sushidalmost 4 years ago
Why are your &quot;live&quot; prices completely out of sync? BTC is showing $33K for me right now whereas it&#x27;s about 20% higher than that. ETH is showing 2.4K whereas it&#x27;s around $2.2K.
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hedgehogalmost 4 years ago
My moment has arrived.
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spinaxalmost 4 years ago
Why have you hijacked my rightmouseclick on the homepage when I want to open the Privacy link (or apparently any other link in the footer) in another window? Why are you breaking simple, established HTML paradigms for opening and clicking links and ruining basic established usage patterns?
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crazypythonalmost 4 years ago
How has YC helped you succeed?<p>What is your future roadmap?<p>How did you find Sonya to manage your social media and generally do your PR?
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SmooLalmost 4 years ago
Wow, yet another GUI for <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;ccxt&#x2F;ccxt" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;ccxt&#x2F;ccxt</a>. What do you guys do that&#x27;s any different?
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bibz38almost 4 years ago
Did you guys bootstrap ? Or did received venture capital?
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twodayslatealmost 4 years ago
Seems like coinstats.app is a more polished solution as a portfolio manager. Some of the other features could be interesting though.
mkgeorge7almost 4 years ago
Hey Taylor, Colton, and Jason.<p>Congrats on the launch! Out of curiosity, what are the most popular wallets that your users are syncing with Hedgehog?
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m1117almost 4 years ago
Login page is broken.
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BrissyCoderalmost 4 years ago
Can I buy drugs using this service? Because that is seriously the one and only legitimate use for cryptocurrencies that I&#x27;ve come across after 10 years of dabbling in this space.
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nathiasalmost 4 years ago
nice, this looks impressive, frontend could use some work tho
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sdanalmost 4 years ago
isn&#x27;t this just blockfolio?
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