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Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

256 pointsby jhabdasalmost 4 years ago

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nostromoalmost 4 years ago
There&#x27;s a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense.<p>I&#x27;d like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public view and gives them a lot of room to provide whatever narrative they like about politics, history, or just about any subject.<p>The impact of shouting matches happening on cable news and Twitter seem like a rounding error compared to the decades-long indoctrination that happens during one&#x27;s education.
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WalterBrightalmost 4 years ago
Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it <i>everywhere</i> in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.
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milkytronalmost 4 years ago
&gt; Thus, understanding propaganda to guard yourself against it requires not only the use of sound and cogent logic and a set of facts, it requires being on guard against emotional responses.<p>This, I believe, is so important to living in the modern era of constant information and media consumption at our fingertips. Reading (or even participating in) arguments online is one thing I see a lot of. Tons of emotional responses with plenty of bias and assumptions being made. But those are pretty easy to avoid if you just don&#x27;t get yourself involved and watch from the sidelines. Good arguments where both sides are participating in open discussion with facts, logic, and open minds are a pleasure. It&#x27;s what drew me to HN years ago.<p>What isn&#x27;t easy to avoid (at least for me), is the propaganda being regurgitated by those around me. One side of my family is very deep into conspiracy thinking. They have zero trust for the media, other than a single outlet which they listen and watch every day. When I see this side of the family, I listen to what they have to say, but they don&#x27;t seem to have any taste for logic, facts, or reasoning. Open discussion is off the table unless it caters to what they want to hear or already believe. Any evidence to the contrary is dismissed and not believed. It seems to me like there is no way to get through to them, no way to open their minds, no way to propose viable alternatives to their thinking.<p>How does one go about opening the minds of those already deeply influenced by propaganda? I have their trust, they still come to me and voice their ideas, however farfetched they may seem. Even if they know I don&#x27;t believe them, they still open discussion with me. But I cannot seem to find a way to engage in their arguments while involving reasoning.<p>p.s. This became a rant, but I do want to improve the communication between myself and this side of the family. I don&#x27;t want to (and can&#x27;t really) just cut them off, they are nice people that just happen to have some wild beliefs.
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lupirealmost 4 years ago
The best comprehensive list of propaganda techniques I&#x27;ve ever seen was in the &quot;Academic Games&quot; game of Propaganda:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.agloa.org&#x2F;prop-docs&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.agloa.org&#x2F;prop-docs&#x2F;</a> See linked PDFs.<p>More info:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;boardgamegeek.com&#x2F;boardgame&#x2F;5647&#x2F;propaganda-game" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;boardgamegeek.com&#x2F;boardgame&#x2F;5647&#x2F;propaganda-game</a>
torpidalmost 4 years ago
Imagine thinking this...<p>&gt;&quot;Propaganda is information (delivered through any medium) designed to persuade, manipulate emotion, and change opinion rather than to inform using logical truths and facts. The aim of propaganda is to change minds via the use of emotion, misinformation, disinformation, truths, half-truths, and cleverly selected facts; not to enlighten (although one can technically propagandize true information, using emotion to sell truth, this generally isn’t what we are talking about when we use the term “propaganda”<p>Then saying this...<p>&gt;Propaganda isn’t bad by its nature (after-all, almost any content that relays information can be considered a form of propaganda).<p>What the fuck. No, any content that relays information is NOT a form of propaganda.
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cdstyhalmost 4 years ago
The War on Sensemaking is a great series of videos on propaganda and the information ecology in the modern social media driven world. I highly recommend it.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=7LqaotiGWjQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=7LqaotiGWjQ</a>
benaalmost 4 years ago
I like how their description of &quot;Refuting the central point&quot; is &quot;refuting the central point&quot; without explicitly telling us how that is different from &quot;Refutation&quot;.<p>Also &quot;Name Calling&quot; is a form of &quot;Ad Hominem&quot;.<p>And why is &quot;using quotes&quot; higher up than &quot;reasoning and supporting evidence&quot;?<p>Also, isn&#x27;t the entire pyramid about the level of counter argument? So, contradiction is inherent in the process. It really seems like &quot;Counteragrument&quot;, &quot;Refutation&quot;, and &quot;Refuting the central point&quot; are all about the same thing. And if they are different then &quot;Refutation&quot; and &quot;Counterargument&quot; are ordered wrong. Because I think using reasoning and supporting evidence would be stronger than quotes.<p>So, really, this pyramid could be like 4 layers. Ad-hominem, Tone Policing, Simple Contradiction, Counter Argument
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jb775almost 4 years ago
Just need to turn on CNN or MSNBC right now for modern examples of propaganda.<p>Don&#x27;t think they really care about left or right, they use politics as a vehicle to keep the masses divided and therefore under control. It also shifts focus away from the growing class gap and how the upper classes are hoarding wealth.
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kaycebasquesalmost 4 years ago
(Tangential) I&#x27;m in Brazil [1] for the first time and was intrigued to learn that the word for &quot;advertising&quot; is &quot;propaganda&quot;. Of course anyone who has read Edward Bernays or seen Century of the Self will know the connection, but interesting nonetheless!<p>[1] I also learned that they spell it &quot;Brasil&quot; here.
akomtualmost 4 years ago
It&#x27;s a 1 hour read. I&#x27;d recommend to start a brief intro into Herman-Chomsky propaganda model:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Propaganda_model" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Propaganda_model</a>
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ttctciyfalmost 4 years ago
It&#x27;s a topic that&#x27;s never been so relevant, IMO, because of the unprecedented scale at which the propaganda industries (AKA PR&#x2F;&quot;Think Tanks&quot;&#x2F;&quot;Dark Money&quot;&#x2F;Outreach programs&#x2F;&quot;Strategic Communications&quot;, etc.) now operate.<p>For insight into how it works, I prefer the more systematic approach of &quot;Propaganda Principles&quot;[1] to the linked site, however.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;propagandaprinciples.wordpress.com&#x2F;propaganda-techniques&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;propagandaprinciples.wordpress.com&#x2F;propaganda-techni...</a>
MikeUtalmost 4 years ago
&gt; Selective truth: restrictive use of data or facts to sway opinion that might not be swayed if all the data or facts were given.<p>This is usually interpreted as presenting only half of a story, but the more common and powerful use is in presenting the whole story, while simply ignoring unfavorable stories, and promoting favorable ones. Is a murder front-page news, or a footnote? Depends on the murder.
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jl2718almost 4 years ago
I found this to be quite useless for understanding modern propaganda efforts. Mostly this is just telling subjects of propaganda that they are dumb, and they should be less dumb. As usual, this view on other people is incorrect. A proper treatment of actual propaganda efforts, as it is widely practiced, would not be allowed on this site.<p>Many books have been written about ‘influence’ and other soft power methods. They are a waste of time. In the real world, consent is manufactured by prescribing rewards and punishments. It’s entirely behavioral.<p>Examples abound. Think of everything you ‘know’, which you have examined zero primary source evidence of, but would have failed a primary school class if you didn’t ‘know’ it. This continues well into adult life and work. The actual truth, or even the actual attitudes and beliefs, are irrelevant. Behavioral consent methods work flawlessly without any requirement to convince the subject.<p>This is the real secret of propaganda. It’s all you need to know. It works because you don’t have a choice.
nrjamesalmost 4 years ago
On a similar note, the FBI&#x27;s Elicitation brochure is a good overview of how people may attempt to convince you to reveal confidential information: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ucr.fbi.gov&#x2F;investigate&#x2F;counterintelligence&#x2F;elicitation-brochure" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ucr.fbi.gov&#x2F;investigate&#x2F;counterintelligence&#x2F;elicitat...</a>
narratoralmost 4 years ago
The most annoying common form of propaganda is the association fallacy, which is a more subtle form of the ad hominem fallacy [1].<p>It works like this:<p>A. You believe X.<p>B. A crazy person also believes&#x2F;believed X.<p>C. You are a crazy person.<p>D. Optionally: I won&#x27;t consider your argument unless you tell me why being a crazy person is ok. Why do you support doing crazy people things like being a serial killer?<p>Example:<p>A. You are against cigarette smoking.<p>B. The Nazis were also against cigarette smoking[2].<p>C. Therefore you are a Nazi.<p>D. Optionally: I won&#x27;t consider your argument unless you tell me why being a Nazi is ok. Why do you support anti-semitism?<p>This is by far the most common bullshit argument I get when talking with people about controversial topics.<p>[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Association_fallacy#Guilt_by_association_as_an_ad_hominem_fallacy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Association_fallacy#Guilt_by_a...</a><p>[2]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;251213.The_Nazi_War_on_Cancer" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;251213.The_Nazi_War_on_C...</a>
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fartcannonalmost 4 years ago
Propaganda is defeated by shedding light on it. It requires constant vigilance.<p>One of the problems with HN (don&#x27;t hate me Dang) is that we aren&#x27;t permitted to call out propaganda as this article suggests we do. It all happens behind the scenes and as a result, its inherently unseen. It needs to be seen. We almost needs a wall of shame for groups&#x2F;orgs caught engaging in PR.
mylonsalmost 4 years ago
there are so many ads on this blog it is hilarious and counter-messaging to the post?
runbathtimealmost 4 years ago
&gt; Propaganda isn’t bad by its nature (after-all, almost any content that relays information can be considered a form of propaganda).<p>I have to disagree, propaganda is bad, as its aim isn&#x27;t to inform, but to manipulate through dishonesty.
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proverbialbunnyalmost 4 years ago
After WW2 propaganda got a bit of a bad name for itself so it renamed itself public relations. Anything that talks about propaganda and not PR is out of date, but still valid.
cwojnoalmost 4 years ago
This is fantastic, well done. (emotional appeal)
ergot_vacationalmost 4 years ago
This article misses the two most important bits of info in understanding propaganda, and how people work.<p>1. Most effective communication is &quot;propaganda&quot;<p>As outlined in &quot;Thinking Fast and Slow&quot; (and in numerous other places), there are two ways of thinking: the quick instinctive &quot;gut,&quot; and the slow, considered, logical mind. People, especially the kind of people that read HN, tend to deify the latter and villainize the former, but the truth is both have value. Furthermore, the &quot;gut&quot; actually has MORE value overall, since being able to sit down and carefully consider every aspect of a situation or concept is a luxury that is often impractical.<p>&quot;Propaganda&quot; is simply anything that speaks to this instinctive mind. Sales is propaganda. Dating&#x2F;pursuing someone is propaganda. Trying to get a child to calm down when they&#x27;re afraid or angry is propaganda. People sneer at making &quot;emotional appeals&quot; and appealing to &quot;base instincts,&quot; but the reality is that humans spend most of their time living in world of emotion and instinct, not fact. Speaking to the instinctive mind is a more effective way to persuade someone, because the instinctive mind has more power in most people. That doesn&#x27;t make it inherently bad. Talking directly to a person&#x27;s &quot;gut&quot; is simple effective communication, which can be used for good or bad end.<p>2. Logic is a luxury, not a silver bullet<p>Almost every discussion of this topic inevitably frames it the same way: there are dark, sinister forces using &quot;propaganda&quot; to manipulate the vulnerable, and we must fight back by teaching people to think logically! Elevate yourself above base instinct, see everything with the cool remove of a Vulcan, and you will triumph, in yourself, and in winning arguments with others.<p>The reality is that the world, and people, don&#x27;t work like this. Logic, reason and facts are not trump cards. Quite the opposite: they require a cool, friendly and reserved setting to work, and are thus mostly useless in any situation other than one between friends that mutually respect and understand each other.<p>The language of most of humanity, most of the time, is &quot;propaganda,&quot; ie an appeal to instinct. Victory doesn&#x27;t lie in trying to stomp this out like a Victorian trying to purge their sex drive, but rather in accepting it, understanding it, in yourself and others, and learning to speak in its language. Careful rational thinking is great, we wouldn&#x27;t have all the advancements we do without it. But most people don&#x27;t spend their free time reading research papers. They watch movies or TV, or play video games. Some even still read books.<p>Stop treating &quot;propaganda&quot; as a dark tool of the evil one. Bad guys use what works, and speaking to instinct works. If you want to fight them (and more importantly, to just lead a richer life) learn to do the same.
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wolverine876almost 4 years ago
&gt; The aim of propaganda is to change minds via the use of emotion, misinformation, disinformation, truths, half-truths, and cleverly selected facts; not to enlighten (although one can technically propagandize true information, using emotion to sell truth, this generally isn’t what we are talking about when we use the term “propaganda”).<p>My understanding is that experts consider the aim of propaganda to be confusing and paralyzing the enemy, preventing effective communication, debate and decision-making.<p>For example, after 2016, the widespread, hyper-inflammatory trolling and attacks prevented the discussion of politics. Many forums I know, including HN to an extent, simply banned it. To this day, many issues are very difficult to discuss (e.g., Trump, racism, etc.); you can&#x27;t share information, discuss things, because the discussions seem to blow up (and even mentioning that those issues exist might provoke something here - please don&#x27;t). That&#x27;s effective propaganda.<p>It&#x27;s not clear to me that the author has real knowledge of propaganda beyond their own observations and theories. There is a lot of better research and knowledge out there.
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motohagiographyalmost 4 years ago
Have read some of the source materials on the propaganda they talk about, and what I&#x27;ve found it comes down to is criticism of the nonsense is basically a tarpit.<p>The bit about Putin&#x27;s propaganda guy is super interesting, as what he&#x27;s doing makes complete sense within other frameworks. The advantage these propagandists have is they believe one simple thing and it&#x27;s very easy to signal, operationalize, and organize around. It&#x27;s basically nihilism.<p>The article does get a couple things wrong e.g.:<p>&gt; Big Lie: Using a complex array of events to justify an action or narrative. What you do is take a carefully selected collection of truths, lies, and half-truths that all seem to tell a story (which is actually revised history) and use them to construct a story that eventually supplants the public’s accurate perception of the underlying events.<p>The Big Lie tactic is (as I remember reading in Cialdini, maybe?) something necessarily absurd like Kim Jong Il hitting 11 consecutive hole-in-one shots on a golf course, where if you can&#x27;t contain your disgust at how absurd that sounds, and you have some sense of self where it is offensive for you to believe it, you mark yourself out for isolation and attack. The Big Lie is primarily a tactic to get people to react, and the people whose identities are still anchored to truth are potential resistance leaders, so this lets them paint themselves as targets. It&#x27;s also called a &quot;wedge issue,&quot; and is the complementary tactic to dogwhistles and watchwords. It is also close to a &quot;scissor statement,&quot; which is a statement that only has polarized and opposing interpretations. (HN thread on scissor statements: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21190508" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21190508</a>)<p>There are also some standard sales and negotiation tactics thrown in there, and oddly, some of their own tactics to create a slant are written into it.<p>However, the goal of a propagandist is to hold your attention and it doesn&#x27;t matter what you actually think, because as long as the propagandist has your attention, you are passified by their noise and not acting against them or in your own interest. Arguing the logic or principles? Engaged. Outraged? Engaged. Have a side? Engaged. Ditched family and friends over politics? Engaged. The job of a propagandist is to manage your attention and make the stories you tell yourself the ones they taught you, they don&#x27;t actually care what you think, only that above all you do nothing, and so small squads of less than 10 people at a time can seem to control entire cities.<p>The best filter against propaganda is attitude. The question, &quot;how do I benefit if they are wrong?&quot; goes a long way to establishing the necessary personal boundaries that keep you from spending too much time mesmerized. Having an axiomatic truth as a co-ordinate or waypoint for who you are prevents you from being completely submerged by narrative. Deflecting arguments helps as well because they are mainly bait for a tarpit, and as Dale Carnigie said, &quot;nobody wins an argument.&quot; If your reaction to something is angry or excitable, you are downstream of someone trying to get inside your head.<p>Anyway, it&#x27;s a good and important article on a pet topic, so my advice for dealing with propaganda is: it&#x27;s <i>your</i> attention they want, only ever give it on your own terms.
nimbiusalmost 4 years ago
&gt;All states essentially sell their Civil Religion (ours being one of liberty, equality, and capitalism in a two party system). This is normal.<p>pretty painful trying to read the rest of the article after this as the author clearly sees certain kinds of propaganda as objective good.
grumblenumalmost 4 years ago
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