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Only Windows 11 Pro will let you install Windows 11 with a local account

158 pointsby boba7almost 4 years ago

26 comments

olivierestsagealmost 4 years ago
Every day I feel like a passive spectator watching the industry move in a direction that is worrying: more telemetry, harsh rules about binary signing that hurt small developers, difficulty of accessing one&#x27;s own system with full privileges, online accounts required everywhere, pushes to do away with traditional &quot;general-purpose computers&quot; in favor of restricted devices oriented around consumption.<p>I know that this post is peak HackerNews hipsterism&#x2F;&quot;old man yells at cloud,&quot; so I want to try to make it constructive: what can be done, at this point? What is the strategic move, beyond something like going with Linux or BSD for personal use? Is it too late and we&#x27;ve entered &quot;hope for the best&quot; territory?<p>Edit: To clarify, I do already use Linux, which wasn&#x27;t clear from my initial wording. It&#x27;s just that I worry it isn&#x27;t &quot;enough.&quot;
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Zhylalmost 4 years ago
To everyone reading this who feels uneasy about this, has broader concerns about the direction of desktop computing generally and Microsoft Windows specifically I say this: &quot;give Linux a go&quot;.<p>You may not like it, you may go back to Windows and decide that the dark patterns are worth the cost of things &#x27;just working&#x27; etc, but I implore you to at least give it a go. Burn a Live USB. Boot it up and have a look around. If you&#x27;re coming from Windows 10, try Linux mint or anything with the &#x27;Cinnamon&#x27; Desktop.<p>I say this mostly because the Hackernews crowd is generally pro-Linux as a concept, but sceptical of Linux as a daily driver. Those that do use it as a daily driver will (in my anecdotal experience) have been using it for 5-10 years or more and will have been used to making a good deal of compromises, or are tech savvy enough to have been able to fix things in the bad times.<p>But in the last few years desktops have gotten really good. You will likely find one that you like out of the latest versions of Cinnamon, KDE or Gnome. Or MATE&#x2F;XFCE&#x2F;LMQT if you want to go back for a lightning-quick old school feel.<p>Since 2018, thousands of games now work. It&#x27;s now &#x27;good enough&#x27; for pretty much all single player games. I ask people who haven&#x27;t tried Linux since before then to have another try (or at the very least to look up the games they play on ProtonDB to see if they would work nowadays).<p>In short, a larger (albeit probably still small) number of people who would have jumped the Windows ship in 2015 instead of going to 10 will actually be able to do so now instead of upgrading to Windows 11.
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xg15almost 4 years ago
&gt; <i>Microsoft does allow you many, many options to guard your privacy within Windows 10—but it’s also betting you won’t bother.</i><p>I think this sums up the issues I have with most of the discussions where &quot;consumer choice&quot; or &quot;personal responsibility&quot; are touted.<p>Yes, those are valid and important concepts - but if a company is emphasizing &quot;choice&quot; while at the same time having a vital interest that people &quot;choose&quot; against their own interests (or even manipulating people to that effect), the argument becomes obvious bullshit.<p>It&#x27;s like food companies emphasizing &quot;consumer choice&quot; whenever stricter regulations are on the table, yet at the same time opposing anything that would actually allow consumers to <i>make</i> an informed choice (like easy to understand nutrition labels).
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Santosh83almost 4 years ago
Everybody is focusing on local&#x2F;MS account. But for me the more insidious requirement is mandating TPM chip. Not only in the short term a ton of computers will either have to be discarded (because you can&#x27;t add a TPM chip to an existing system despite &#x27;open&#x27; PC architecture), or stay on outdated Win10, in the long term the DRM implications are worrying.
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tpoacheralmost 4 years ago
&quot;In unrelated news, piracy levels have steadily increased since Microsoft unveiled the latest version of their popular OS. Bizzarly pirates seem to be targetting the &#x27;Pro&#x27; variant exclusively. Microsoft officials stated that this is a worrying sign that even stronger online security and surveillance is necessary. The company has therefore been working on a new authentication system, which will require the user to be hooked up to an EEG at all times to remain connected to their session. Microsoft said this will be their most secure platform yet!&quot;
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jlkuester7almost 4 years ago
My list of applications that I need to run on Windows, instead if Linux, has almost completely disappeared (I can only think of one). I have used Linux for probably 15 years and can say that the user experience has never been better (for the lay person that just wants something that works).<p>The final nail in the coffin of Windows for me is Steam Play. So many of my Windows games just work, right out of the box on Linux. It feels like magic compared to the old days of trying to hack together a workable Wine config...
niruialmost 4 years ago
Well that&#x27;s really a bold move, given the current states of their (confusing) account system and it&#x27;s (even more confusing) integration, see:<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;answers.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;windows&#x2F;forum&#x2F;windows_10-security&#x2F;windows-10-email-app-accounts-cannot-fix-account&#x2F;95be0fdf-1301-4ad9-9993-1dcb6b2618d0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;answers.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;windows&#x2F;forum&#x2F;windows_10...</a><p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;answers.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;windows&#x2F;forum&#x2F;windows_10-other_settings&#x2F;microsoft-account-problem&#x2F;19ff2771-d2e0-4a13-a0e2-fbb7d0a13435" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;answers.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;windows&#x2F;forum&#x2F;windows_10...</a><p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;answers.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;windows&#x2F;forum&#x2F;windows_10-other_settings&#x2F;microsoft-account-problem&#x2F;2f977223-e1d7-4c06-9749-ba69d1da4ece" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;answers.microsoft.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;windows&#x2F;forum&#x2F;windows_10...</a><p>Or just search &quot;Microsoft Account Problem&quot;.
nlyalmost 4 years ago
My suspicion is the option to allow installation via a local account (by disconnecting the network) will remain come RTM. They&#x27;re likely just pressing the issue now to gauge reaction.
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sschuelleralmost 4 years ago
Every so often after a patch Tuesday windows 10 will try to force me the login with a MS account. I have to hit ctrl-alt-del a few time and logout of the local user to get around this garbage. I am so sick of this.<p>I wish everything I needed ran in linux.
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siddhant09almost 4 years ago
Could future of computing be just computer clients leveraging the cloud compute? If services like Google Stadia becomes as ubiquitous as email, no average user would bat an eye on required web login.<p>You want to render a complete VR map of a nation? Maybe you require petabytes of ram and compute power of a today&#x27;s server farm? Worry not, your phone weighing 140g can do it, all by leveraging cloud compute.<p>Even if this future doesn&#x27;t materialize, incentives for MS are clear and this requirement shall open up more integration opportunities than before.<p>Also there is no competition.<p>Linux has the following problems which have largely remained unsolved, since the community fails to even recognize them as an issue.<p>1. No 1080p or 4K video playback on Netflix.<p>2. Not even 720p video playback on Amazon Prime Video.<p>3. Games take a performance hit.<p>4. Single click installations of .deb almost never works. .exe and .dmg are a much better user experience.<p>5. Ubuntu store is broken. It sometime loads, most times it doesn&#x27;t.<p>6. Absence of Adobe.<p>7. An average user is expected to open up terminal when things go wrong and thing often do go wrong.<p>An OS company can divide their customers into Developers, Video&#x2F;Audio Editors, Content Consumption, Office work and Gamers. Linux only and only caters to us Developers.
kijinalmost 4 years ago
&gt; local account users ... won’t be able to sync content or use Windows 11’s ability to sync or recommend content from other devices.<p>Is that meant to make you feel like you&#x27;d be missing out on something? Do people still fall for this kind of language, or is it just the marketing department patting themselves on the back?<p>Yeah, I&#x27;d love to cripple my own ability to get &quot;recommended content&quot; (we all know what that is) from anywhere at all.
shrubblealmost 4 years ago
Thank God for the massive increase in CPU power of ARM microcontrollers and the retro-computing movement.<p>Such as the Teensy 4.1, which can run CPM in emulation among other things. With a large capacity SD card, you could store a great deal of info on a non-compromised device.<p>I believe that people will start using them as secure methods to store personal information away from the prying eyes of Microsoft et al.
isodevalmost 4 years ago
From the article: &gt; The Windows 11 Home MSA requirement isn’t permanent, just unavoidable.<p>Combine that with the fact that &quot;essential telemetry&quot; can&#x27;t be disabled by normal means (and thus Windows will continue to send &quot;diagnostic&quot; data to Microsoft) and it seems one&#x27;s PC is not unlike one&#x27;s Android phone...<p>One of the most commented features of Windows 11 seems to be the ability to run Android apps. I was very excited about it... but then, if I want to use my Android apps on Windows 11, I am going to need not only my Google account, but also my Microsoft account and something called an Amazon account. That&#x27;s a lot of accounts to just run an app. A lot of third parties to share my personal data with. A lot of Terms of Service to read and a lot of GDPR &quot;consent&quot; clicks for me to give away my privacy.<p>While I definitely appreciate &quot;end to end&quot; working ecosystems, it was always a bit of a relief to be able to go back to an &quot;open&quot; PC. I guess that choice is still available, as long as it&#x27;s not powered by Windows.
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jftugaalmost 4 years ago
What are the best Linux distros for developers?
e-clintonalmost 4 years ago
I don’t think this is about telemetry. I think this is about Messaging. With Teams being integrated into Windows, every Win11 user will be a new Teams user and will push Teams to the billions of users eventually.
sstephantalmost 4 years ago
You don&#x27;t own the system anymore, the system owns you :&#x2F;
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everyonealmost 4 years ago
I&#x27;m betting that windows 10 LTSB will be supported until windows 11, or 12 (or whatever) LTSB is released.<p>(ps. I cant switch to Linux 100%, I need to use windows for work as I am a game dev.. It&#x27;s probably possible to do my job entirely in linux with wine and whatnot, but in software development it is a pretty bad idea to make ones job unnecessarily more difficult and complicated, and throw up barriers to shipping)
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_Understated_almost 4 years ago
My $0.02<p>I&#x27;ve been on Windows forever. Since DOS 3 or 4 I think (giving away my age there!) and until recently (last few years) it has fulfilled every one of my requirements, that is, games, development, consumption.<p>I&#x27;m a .NET developer so the Windows ecosystem was a no-brainer: Visual Studio just works... sort of. As an end-user everything works: I don&#x27;t need to install drivers, hit the command line or anything.<p>Windows has been great over the years.<p>However...<p>The last few years have been a downward spiral. Not just downward, but accelerating downwards.<p>It started (for me at least!) with the forced upgrade from Windows 7 (or 8, can&#x27;t remember), then came the utterly shit Windows updates - The updates for Windows 10 are shite. Plain and simple. A couple of years ago I&#x27;d had enough so I disabled Windows updates so that I could install them well after their release date as I was sick of being their beta-tester. There are literally bugs with every update now. I know we are talking about a few years ago, but I absolutely did not have issues with updates on Windows 7. Ever! Windows 10 has at least one show-stopping bug every couple of months now (it seems like that anyway).<p>It&#x27;s now getting to the point that not only do I have less control over my own paid-for installation of Windows, but each update reduces my control ever more... I&#x27;ve harped on about it before (not just in this post, but others too) but disabling updates is a lesson in frustration. It&#x27;s possible to do it but if you update later, they are switched back on - happens every time!<p>Then there&#x27;s the telemetry! I&#x27;m not going to labour this point as it has been done to death already over the years but the sheer fucking arrogance of a company that takes my money, reduces my control over my paid-for product, then says &quot;oh, we&#x27;re going to take data from your operating system whether you want us to or not&quot; is beyond the pale! Yes, yes, I know Android spying is the stuff of legend but it has been like that from day one! It&#x27;s how Google makes its money. Microsoft used to not be dicks about you having control over your OS. Those days are long gone.<p>Dark patterns! Let me say NO to things and then just fuck off please! Why does everything have to be infantilized? Why does the YES button say &quot;Yes please! I want rainbows and unicorns&quot; and the NO button say &quot;I&#x27;m a climate-denying terrorist if I click this&quot;. Worse, is when the &quot;no&quot; button says &quot;maybe later&quot; or &quot;not right now&quot;. I hate that crap. And why do you have to make the positive button (I say positive, but I mean the button that&#x27;s more beneficial to Microsoft!) massive and outlined when the other one is tiny and just text? Microsoft aren&#x27;t the only ones that do that... I need to point that out!<p>The need for the OS to constantly keep me informed, or tell me about X, or jump in my face with this thing, or show me the latest news tipped me over the edge.<p>I want my operating system to do the following:<p>1. Store and launch my software<p>2. Be secure<p>3. Stay out of my way!<p>That&#x27;s it.<p>I&#x27;ve had a few goes at Ubuntu and found it lacking. Nothing major but a few annoying things related to hardware: sound popping, graphics glitching, FF crashing, printer stopping working. Stuff like that but I&#x27;m on Pop! OS now. Just installed 20.04 the other day after playing with 20.10 for a couple of weeks (not a fan of 21.04 and I like the LTS idea especially when my livelihood depends on said computer!).<p>I can still programme .NET stuff with Rider (getting the hang of it, it&#x27;s quite nice and it is way more responsive than VS which has become a buggy nightmare over the years!). Docker allows me to run SQL server (still use that quite a lot) and, interestingly the Docker SQL image runs faster than SQL server when it was installed natively on my Windows box... weird! It&#x27;s very noticeable too.<p>Anyway, I&#x27;m too old to fight with the OS any more, and POP! seems to be ticking all the right boxes for now. I have to keep a W10 VM around for a couple of things but it&#x27;s off most of the day.<p>Edit: I had a go at the &quot;leaked&quot; version of Windows 11 and I wasn&#x27;t enamored. As a friend of mine once said: &quot;Same shite, different smell!&quot;
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tim333almost 4 years ago
Though can&#x27;t you just register an account like MickeyMouse123 @hotmail and use that? I know it&#x27;s annoying but doesn&#x27;t seem the end or the world. That said I dumped Windows after 7 and am a happy Mac&#x2F;Linux user.
fouricalmost 4 years ago
Could one get a fake Microsoft account with an email address and phone number tied to a service like Mailinator? Sure, if it were possible it would only be a temporary solution, but that&#x27;s better than nothing.
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c7DJTLrnalmost 4 years ago
That&#x27;s OK. I have great faith in the huge community of hackers and tweakers that mess around with Windows - there will inevitably be a PowerShell script or Registry tweak for getting around it.
phendrenad2almost 4 years ago
I&#x27;d love to see the Venn diagram of people who are put off by this, and people who still need to run windows programs and can&#x27;t switch to Linux. Probably no overlap at all.
BiteCode_devalmost 4 years ago
The subtext here is that you can&#x27;t install Windows 11 Home you don&#x27;t have an internet connection.
2Gkashmirialmost 4 years ago
As long as rdpwrap works
anotheryoualmost 4 years ago
they really know how to encourage piracy
lambadaalmost 4 years ago
Windows 10 (any version) doesn’t let you install it without a microsoft account these days - it used to, but they removed that function during one of the updates. They do let you transition to a local account after install though. That caught me by surprise when i had to reinstall a fresh copy of Windows 10 at one point<p>So a version that does let you install with just a local account right off the bat is a strict improvement from my point of view.<p>Maybe the article authors were unaware of that change to the Windows 10 install process - it certainly would explain the odd slanting.<p>Edit: interesting, from the replies it looks like you either have to not connect to the network or say you are going to join a domain (which was untrue in my case) that explains why i couldn’t find the option then!
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