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Open source graphic design

70 pointsby damarualmost 14 years ago

19 comments

biotalmost 14 years ago
<p><pre><code> &#62; The code is open, if you want your tools to do &#62; something different you are welcome to change it. </code></pre> So there I was, deadline from the client looming and my publishing piece still wasn't finished because using Scribus takes way longer than using InDesign since it lacks key features, UI polish, and usability. Rather than purchasing InDesign and get the job done so I could get paid, I decided to take several years off work, learn software development, and improve Scribus.<p>Wait... do people consider that a serious argument? Have they been drinking the open source kool-aid a little too much?
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lysolalmost 14 years ago
There's a reason Adobe is so entrenched in this market -- The products are actually good. They include new features that take the OSS alternatives years to implement, if they ever do.
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momotomoalmost 14 years ago
At one point last year I went all-out open source and dumped my W7 machine w/ photoshop and illustrator to switch over to GIMP and inkscape. I stuck with this configuration for about 9 months or so.<p>After getting through the UI differences and learning curve, I was still disappointed. Most of these apps feel like they've only been handled by causal users.<p>The worst memory was in GIMP working with layer sizing and floating objects, so many things were fixed and required hunting through menus or googling shortcuts to get them to resize or to place an object out of edit mode. The equivalent in photoshop is the enter key, or automatic layer boundary resizing, etc. The application does a much better job of staying out of your way.<p>If you're noodling about with a few photos its no big deal but the first major file I had to tackle with a few dozen layers and objects burned me out completely. I literally stood up, went to the shops, purchased a copy of windows and got my old setup back.<p>The secondary issue in the background of all this was the time invested to work around rendering speed issues, video drivers, wacom compatibility etc; none of which earns me any coin but needed to be resolved before doing any work. Unfortunately this will always be measured against the ease of getting Windows setup on a machine (less than half a day to a production ready box versus a solid week of problem resolution under the Ubuntu/Suse/Gimp combo).<p>I aim for open source usage whenever I can, and the quality is there, my main gripe always seems to be workflow. If more professionals start using it and providing feedback, yes, it will mature. However I think at this point to claim they are a straight replacement (in the case of Gimp and inkscape) is a bit short sighted when you consider the workload some of these tools support.
geonalmost 14 years ago
I just can't take anyone seriously when they call Gimp "a really solid image retouching and photo editing software".<p>And it's not about features (apart from the retarded "layer size" micromanagement Gimp forces on you), but the UI is so confusing and inconsistent even Photoshop 5.0 is lightyears ahead.
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jcromartiealmost 14 years ago
I've found serious problems with those tools. Often there are visible quality differences in the output vs the commercial alternatives.
duopixelalmost 14 years ago
Please please remove the clouds, they detract from the reading experience.<p>What I'd really like to see from the Open Source Community is a Fireworks alternative. It has just the right blend between bitmap and vector editing in a speedy lightweight package.
blhackalmost 14 years ago
I've been a pretty heavy GIMP user for the last 10 years or so, and I love it.<p>Or loved it.<p>A few years ago, they decided to drastically change the UI without any apparent way of changing it back (2.6 vs 2.4 -- the way the windows are layed out has changed).<p>I think this was probably done to make it easier for people to transition from photoshop to GIMP, but what the gimp people are neglecting is that there are lots of people, like me, who grew up using GIMP. I've probably put about an hour of photoshop time in in <i>my entire life</i>, all of it happening while I'm sitting at the photo shop waiting in line to talk to a tech (they have a huge wacom tablet there to play with as a demo).<p>Same goes for inkscape, same goes for scribus.<p>I think what's important to understand is that the OSS solutions aren't <i>just</i> for people transitioning away from adobe. There are a lot of us who have been using them all along. When the maintainers make changes to these things to make it easier for new users, they're also making it harder for us.<p>Which sucks.
Silhouettealmost 14 years ago
The trouble is, the FOSS packages simply aren't as good.<p>See this related discussion from Slashdot the other day, which highlighted the practical flaws fairly well: <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/07/12/1855250/Interview-With-the-Editors-of-Libre-Graphics-Magazine" rel="nofollow">http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/07/12/1855250/Interview-Wi...</a>
mtogoalmost 14 years ago
The awful, distracting design (especially the weird cloud thing) almost got me to quit your article, but i ended up stopping here:<p><i>Free software – meaning you don’t pay for it (you still can donate what you want!)</i>
chris_engelalmost 14 years ago
Yeah, I tried them. And I personally like Inkscape more then Illustrator for vector-related things. But Gimp vs. PS? No thank you.
luminariousalmost 14 years ago
Yes, these programs have existed for a number of years, slowly improving and getting better. But every time I try to use them.. they feel clunky. There is just too much friction when I try to do the simple things. Maybe it's because I'm used to PS and AI, but I think Gimp and Inkscape would both be much better received if they invested more into being easy to use/ good-looking. Much like Sketchup did for 3D, where building basic models is easy and complex models possible.
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gallerytungstenalmost 14 years ago
While it may be possible to use these tools as a solo designer, if you work in a larger context then file interchange is a requirement. Good luck getting corporate clients to download, install, and use this stuff. Instead, they'll be asking why you can't deliver according to their specs.
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5hoomalmost 14 years ago
I have tried to like gimp, I really have.<p>Every time there is a major release I'll download it &#38; try it out but it always ends the same. The UI is clunky. The workflow with complex documents (lots of layers &#38; shapes, etc) is a byzantine &#38; obscure click-a-thon. Wacom support is glitchy. Users of the Mac version (some graphic design types run macs, btw) get to enjoy the fun of x11 non-nativeness &#38; all the weird behaviour that brings (my 'favourite' being having to click each UI element twice: once to gain focus &#38; then once to actually click the desired item. Grrr).<p>The whole thing feels disjointed &#38; I find it hard to just get down to making images. I hate that this is the case as I would love for gimp to be a world beating graphics tool (OSS FTW, and all that), but there are just too many rough edges for it to be considered best of breed.<p>The problem is, who is working on an alternative open source graphics app that's better? Guess we're stuck with photoshop…
bithopperalmost 14 years ago
Should we compare technology with or without the ideological context in which it exists?<p>What if humankind got better results with an unethically (to some) produced program. Would it then be unethical to promote software or technology that would hinder our advancement, just because it doesn't promote certain ideologies that this person believes in? (This applies to any technology). Should the ideology of software be more valued than what the software itself does?
keithpeteralmost 14 years ago
@blhack<p>Why not just carry on using the old version? Bob Staake apparently keeps an old Mac running OS 9 so he can use Photoshop 3.<p>General point: open source can't be taken from you in the way (say) Final Cut Pro was.
nvictoralmost 14 years ago
please please please GIMP can't still be compared to Photoshop.
damarualmost 14 years ago
ok I am done with the could ;)
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clistctrlalmost 14 years ago
What the hell is that floating moving group of penises? I can't read the article, my eyes keep moving to look at it. Waiting for the lasers to shoot something.
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rorrralmost 14 years ago
For the 100th time, GIMP is not a Photoshop replacement. Not even close. I've tried to switch to GIMP like 10 times now, and every time I download the latest version, I give up within an hour.