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Why geothermal isn't ubiquitous and how it might get that way

167 pointsby Osiris30almost 4 years ago

11 comments

kristopolousalmost 4 years ago
Ucs, the controversial organization, has an interesting analysis of geothermal.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ucsusa.org&#x2F;resources&#x2F;environmental-impacts-geothermal-energy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ucsusa.org&#x2F;resources&#x2F;environmental-impacts-geoth...</a><p>The takeaway<p>&gt; Enhanced geothermal systems, which require energy to drill and pump water into hot rock reservoirs, have life-cycle global warming emission of approximately 0.2 pounds of carbon dioxide equivalent per kilowatt-hour [11].<p>&gt; To put this into context, estimates of life-cycle global warming emissions for natural gas generated electricity are between 0.6 and 2 pounds of carbon dioxide equivalent per kilowatt-hour and estimates for coal-generated electricity are 1.4 and 3.6 pounds of carbon dioxide equivalent per kilowatt-hour.<p>Nothing is really truly zero carbon currently. Solar has manufacturing and maintenance. Nuclear has construction, mining, refinement, containment, etc. It&#x27;s nice to see the full lifecycle being looked at.<p>We can&#x27;t pretend that something essential for the process doesn&#x27;t matter because we do a classification handwaving. It all counts
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berlincountalmost 4 years ago
The first geothermal wells in Germany have exhausted their heat gradient; after less than 30 years … so, unless you’re actually in Iceland or the Canaries or something similar, this might not even sustainable for even one full generation …
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SEJeffalmost 4 years ago
I just priced out HVAC for a large home in central KY. It worked out to 3 of the highest efficiency American Standard&#x2F;Trane units (Central Heating and Air) for around 50k or a touch over 70k for Bosch Geothermal. The big caveat for geothermal was the 70k price was guaranteed <i>only</i> if they didn&#x27;t hit rock when digging. They couldn&#x27;t give me a guaranteed price if they did hit rock so the choice was obvious. I picked Central Heating and Air.<p>For horizontal or vertical geothermal loops, the biggest cost is always going to be digging for the loops. Until they make that more affordable, they&#x27;re going to have a hard time making it more ubiquitous.
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blakesterzalmost 4 years ago
This seems to be all about Geothermal HEATING, which seems pretty tough in most places. I thought Geothermal Cooling is easier&#x2F;cheaper in many areas? Heat from Geothermal seems really difficult because you have to drill so deep almost everywhere, but that&#x27;s not the case for cooling, is it?<p>Iceland seems to have some decent heat there: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Geothermal_power_in_Iceland" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Geothermal_power_in_Iceland</a><p>Five major geothermal power plants exist in Iceland, which produce approximately 26.2% (2010) of the nation&#x27;s electricity.
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tpmxalmost 4 years ago
For nordic climates: After running the numbers I was surprised by how little benefit I&#x27;d get from geothermal drilling + heat pump for a <i>much</i> larger investment (like $30k including internal fitting of water-based radiators) compared to a regular outdoor air&#x2F;air heat pump for $2k. Ongoing costs would be like 5-8% lower.<p>Modern air&#x2F;air heat pumps are awesome.
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Animatsalmost 4 years ago
<i>Most current efforts need a lot to go right just to reach mediocrity.</i><p>Right. It may be do-able, but unlikely to be cost effective in deep hard rock.<p>One of the deepest drilling projects got down 31,400 feet, but instead of hitting something saleable like natural gas or oil, they got liquid sulfur.
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curtis3389almost 4 years ago
Hug of death?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20210707172539&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;austinvernon.eth.link&#x2F;blog&#x2F;geothermal.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20210707172539&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;austinver...</a>
turtlebitsalmost 4 years ago
IMO, geothermal doesn&#x27;t really make sense. It&#x27;s expensive, and the heat gradient isn&#x27;t huge- you have to drill or dig huge trenches to make up for it.<p>Solar water heating is extremely efficient (and less complicated), but I have never seen it in the US.<p>As for cooling, if it&#x27;s hot out, the sun is probably out- solar PV with AC&#x2F;heat pump should be fine.
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russellbeattiealmost 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve wondered if there could be a way to use the Earth&#x27;s heat by drilling a small hole in your back yard a few km deep and somehow embedding a tiny generator down there to take advantage of the heat differential between various layers of rock. Maybe a Stirling engine? I&#x27;m thinking like a long thin tube filled with liquid that boils at low temps. The liquid would boil, expand, rise up through an insulated tube, condense at a cooler layer and circulate back down. A little generator could use the constant motion to power a house.
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cmiller1almost 4 years ago
&gt; Is This Industry Trying to Punch Holes in the Ground or Virtue Signal?<p>What?
fatsdomino001almost 4 years ago
What I find most fascinating is that this is an .eth link. Starting to see them everywhere.<p>Does anyone know why there’s a “.link” after “.eth”?
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