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Ask HN: What does it mean if lead engineer moves to competition?

5 pointsby rollinDynoalmost 4 years ago
Roam Research is a popular note-taking app. It&#x27;s hard to say whether it&#x27;s the most popular in a competitive, but it&#x27;s got plenty of loyal supporters as shown by the number of people that suscribed to the 5-year-plan for 500 USD.<p>Recently, their lead engineer left for a YC competitor: Athens Research [1].<p>Is this as indicting as it looks? Or is it common? This engineer was in Roam for less than a year, so I don&#x27;t think his shares were vested, so this is at least a signal that he thinks the shares in Roam are going to be worth less than shares in Athens (assuming equal participation.)<p>I think this is an important question for prospective users, as they&#x27;re making long term investments not only money-wise but also because of data lock-in.<p>[1] https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;AthensResearch&#x2F;status&#x2F;1414254253124866052

6 comments

tedmistonalmost 4 years ago
We can speculate around someone&#x27;s motivations all day, but no one can speak for this engineer but themself, and it sounds like they would (understandably) prefer to keep private matters private.<p>At the end of the day he probably got an offer more favorable than his current package in some dimension that&#x27;s important to him. Boring answer but it is what is. Earlier stage often means opportunity for more equity...<p>That said, Roam itself appears really small and only to have just raised 9M ~9 months ago. So they are likely either raising their next round now &#x2F; imminently.<p>As someone with no horse in the race, I do not think it says anything about Roam itself. The average employee tenure at a startup is ≤ 12 months and I want to say the actual figure is ~9 months so this isn&#x27;t particularly unusual.<p>One potentially interesting question might be, does Roam have a non-compete [and will they attempt to enforce it]? But it looks like they are based in SF... so probably not.<p>Another potentially angle is to research the background of the new startup&#x27;s founders. It looks like Athens&#x27; product is open source [1] while Roam&#x27;s is not. That can be substantial to a lot of the engineers at the end of the day.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;athensresearch&#x2F;athens" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;athensresearch&#x2F;athens</a>
PaulHoulealmost 4 years ago
It could be personal. It could be Athens offered him more shares. It could be likes Athens vision or he doesn&#x27;t like his coworkers.<p>The whole point of a corporation is that &quot;key people&quot; aren&#x27;t so key. If Steve Wozinak had left Apple in 1977 it could have been a lethal blow. He crashed his plane in 1981 and took an extended leave and Apple got along fine without him. (e.g. he had nothing to do with Lisa, Mac...)
markus_zhangalmost 4 years ago
The lead engineer might consider _ALL_ shares&#x2F;options of startups worth zero and took the leave because of other reasons. It&#x27;s really difficult to take an educational guess based on a few lines of description.
meiralealalmost 4 years ago
Software engineers are the new sport players.
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brudgersalmost 4 years ago
Since you have so many details, why not just ask the person “why the job switch?”
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codingdavealmost 4 years ago
This sounds normal. When someone wants to leave a job, whatever their reasons, their best move is often to find another job in the same niche, as it allows them to bring their subject matter knowledge.<p>If you are reading anything more into it other than a person made a change in their career for their own reasons, you are reading too much.