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Grand jury indicts Trevor Milton, Nikola founder, on three counts of fraud

544 pointsby us0ralmost 4 years ago

37 comments

_game_of_lifealmost 4 years ago
This should not be surprising to anyone. Arstechnica has followed Nikola&#x27;s terrible and obvious fraud(s) for years now:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;cars&#x2F;2021&#x2F;02&#x2F;nikola-admits-to-making-inaccurate-statements-under-disgraced-founder&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;cars&#x2F;2021&#x2F;02&#x2F;nikola-admits-to-making...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;cars&#x2F;2020&#x2F;12&#x2F;nikola-stock-craters-after-cancellation-of-major-garbage-truck-order&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;cars&#x2F;2020&#x2F;12&#x2F;nikola-stock-craters-af...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;cars&#x2F;2020&#x2F;09&#x2F;nikola-patented-a-stolen-truck-design-tesla-claims-in-legal-response&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;cars&#x2F;2020&#x2F;09&#x2F;nikola-patented-a-stole...</a><p>And many more...<p>The speculation around this stock has been insane for many years now:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;cars&#x2F;2020&#x2F;11&#x2F;nikola-stock-soars-after-confused-investors-think-gm-deal-has-closed&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;cars&#x2F;2020&#x2F;11&#x2F;nikola-stock-soars-afte...</a><p>Top quote: &quot;The market can remain irrational longer than you can roll your eyes at it.&quot;
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Invictus0almost 4 years ago
If you haven&#x27;t seen the Hindenburg report, I recommend reading it for the comedic value: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hindenburgresearch.com&#x2F;nikola&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hindenburgresearch.com&#x2F;nikola&#x2F;</a><p>Notable laughs:<p>* Nikola rolled their semi truck down a hill to show that it worked<p>* Trevor appointed his brother Travis &quot;Director of Hydrogen Production&#x2F;Infrastructure&quot; when his only experience was pouring concrete driveways<p>* The infamous &quot;HTML5 supercomputer&quot; comment: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=zPL-PbDUKrM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=zPL-PbDUKrM</a>
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tahonalmost 4 years ago
Entertaining video on the downfall of Nikola <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=1oqqnkkTKVM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=1oqqnkkTKVM</a>
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bornelsewherealmost 4 years ago
Nikola is one of Crystal lang largest sponsors[0]. I wonder if this is going to have repercussions. It&#x27;s no fault of the Crystal community but might cast a shadow nevertheless.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;crystal-lang.org&#x2F;sponsors&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;crystal-lang.org&#x2F;sponsors&#x2F;</a>
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cybert00thalmost 4 years ago
Hindenburg Research was right then.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hindenburgresearch.com&#x2F;nikola&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hindenburgresearch.com&#x2F;nikola&#x2F;</a>
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the-dudealmost 4 years ago
Original title <i>Grand jury indicts Trevor Milton, founder of electric carmaker Nikola, on three counts of fraud</i><p>Suggested title which does fit : <i>Grand jury indicts Trevor Milton, founder of Nikola, on three counts of fraud</i>
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raesene9almost 4 years ago
Interesting how even after this was announced, their market cap is over $5b (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;finance&#x2F;quote&#x2F;NKLA:NASDAQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;finance&#x2F;quote&#x2F;NKLA:NASDAQ</a>) in the same ballpark as established car companies like Mazda (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;finance&#x2F;quote&#x2F;MZDAF:OTCMKTS" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;finance&#x2F;quote&#x2F;MZDAF:OTCMKTS</a>)
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dreyfanalmost 4 years ago
And yet NKLA still has a $5B market cap despite the entire company being 100% fraud. Amazing.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;finance.yahoo.com&#x2F;quote&#x2F;nkla" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;finance.yahoo.com&#x2F;quote&#x2F;nkla</a>
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nickikalmost 4 years ago
Literally when I first heard about the company, being interested in EV I started looking in to them.<p>10 minutes into a interview with the founder I was instantly convinced that they were a fake, fraud company.<p>They had a very clear strategy, and as a scammer, one must give him some credit. He managed to push a company to higher evaluation then GM based on literally nothing but marketing and false claims.
xwdvalmost 4 years ago
Been a long turbulent road, lots of interest payments, lots of downvotes, but soon I will be able to close out my massive short position that I opened 10 months ago against this company.<p>Reference: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24473631" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24473631</a>
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speedgoosealmost 4 years ago
&gt; He was freed on a $100 million bond secured against two of his properties in Utah.<p>It&#x27;s nice to be rich in this part of the world.
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IlliOnatoalmost 4 years ago
Nikola looked like a fairly obvious scam to me the first time I&#x27;ve read about them. I find it surprising and strange that they were able to hoodwink so many people.
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BuffaloBagelalmost 4 years ago
My web services company built an eBay&#x2F;Craigslist clone for Milton about 10 years ago. Trump level bullshitter but with an indomitable drive. Despite being a returned Mormon missionary Trevor has a loose ethical screw.
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exikyutalmost 4 years ago
Nobody&#x27;ll see this, but still,<p>&gt; <i>Milton pled not guilty to the criminal charges in a Manhattan courtroom Thursday afternoon. He was freed on a $100 million bond secured against two of his properties in Utah. He is barred from contacting investors.</i><p>I saw a story a while ago somewhere about people selling houses for &quot;wait what&quot; amounts obviously more than they were worth, as a way to funnel cash around.<p>I wonder if the properties in question ($50m each?) were independently valued as such, or if the properties were deemed appropriately equitable (if that&#x27;s the right way to put it) on the back of &quot;I paid this much for this property&quot;.<p>If the latter, it&#x27;s possible the bond&#x27;s value is itself tied to a payout. Which is a bit meta.
jollybeanalmost 4 years ago
Still has a $5B market cap. We live in problematic times where populism often matters more than any kind of objective reality.<p>Every stock seems to have a little bit of this factor.
ricardobeatalmost 4 years ago
&gt; The SEC asked the U.S. District Court of the Southern District of New York to permanently bar him from acting as an officer at a company that issues securities, to disgorge all ill-gotten gains and pay a fine<p>Prison? Where is the prison part?
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yaloginalmost 4 years ago
They even named the company to evoke Tesla and form an impression that they competing with them. This is a pure scam but now they have enough money to legitimize themselves. This is actually a great outcome for their investors, the CEO takes the blame and the company becomes legit. Just sad that this is accepted as normal. I will not be surprised if the stock sky rockets tomorrow.
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vmceptionalmost 4 years ago
&gt; Last September, Hindenburg Research said in a paper that it was short-selling Nikola stock and labelled the company a &quot;fraud&quot;, a charge it denied.<p>Shorts win! Thanks for the market function
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hdanirwinalmost 4 years ago
What value does Niokla have at this point and why?<p>Serious question. Been wondering it since the Hindenburg Research stuff last fall.
runbathtimealmost 4 years ago
If you want to commit fraud without any trouble from regulators, go start a decentralized crypto currency.
bjowenalmost 4 years ago
Indicts != convicts, fwiw.
sidcoolalmost 4 years ago
It&#x27;s hard to overstate the insane difficulty of running an automotive company profitably. Tesla is an exception. I don&#x27;t sympathize with Trevor, but I can understand why he did what he did. It&#x27;s a fraud, but I get it why it was done.
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phekundealmost 4 years ago
Looked at the first name, not look at the last name too!
5revivealmost 4 years ago
Market cap today: 4.5 billion. Just amazing.
marvel_boyalmost 4 years ago
And what about Elon?
busymom0almost 4 years ago
Obligatory mention of hilarious breakdown on the history of Nikola motors:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;1oqqnkkTKVM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;1oqqnkkTKVM</a>
marvel_boyalmost 4 years ago
and Elon?
bississippialmost 4 years ago
Most Silicon Valley “CRUD” startups have fraud baked in. It’s just whose holding the bag in the end that matters. Sometimes it’s the VC funds early in the stage, sometimes it’s the late stage investors ala WeWork SoftBank and usually it’s the retail bag holders post IPO.
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nikkinanaalmost 4 years ago
Where&#x27;s Al Gore? This is the one big company that can stop, if not reverse, global climate change.
ffggvvalmost 4 years ago
now do elon
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lvl100almost 4 years ago
How is this any different from what Elon Musk told his investors for the past decade?
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wetpawsalmost 4 years ago
Theranos indictment when
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Thaxllalmost 4 years ago
So he made billions on lies and he&#x27;s going to keep those right?
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pverghesealmost 4 years ago
A grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. So this is nothing to great.
shapefrogalmost 4 years ago
I thought Elon was the Electric car maker most likely to get caught perpetuating a fraud?
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runbathtimealmost 4 years ago
How do they define fraud? Lying? Isn&#x27;t every company doing this?
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rvzalmost 4 years ago
A great opportunity to short $NKLA, if you haven&#x27;t already done it.
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