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The surreal experience of my first developer job

743 pointsby benn_88almost 4 years ago

47 comments

gkweldingalmost 4 years ago
This literally could have been written by any developer in the UK. I think most of us start out like this! I think the best one was a company I worked for in Leeds, it was building a secure learning platform for schools which ultimately fell flat on it&#x27;s arse. The company was run by a self-made millionaire who was notorious for scamming people.<p>He&#x27;d randomly lay off huge numbers of the sales team, and the first anyone would know about it is when the door code would be changed and we&#x27;d have to ring the &quot;office manager&quot; (ex-SAS) for the new code.<p>His grand idea to save the failing online learning platform was &quot;pivoting&quot; to selling personalised dog food online........... (and I mean personalised in the sense of just slapping the dogs name and their face on some generic crap dog food, not actually nutritionally personalised to the dog)<p>Left that place being owed 3 months wages (which I never got).<p>Last I heard he was being investigated for fraud. (this was the scum bag in question: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;2012&#x2F;sep&#x2F;04&#x2F;barclays-small-business-lending-scheme-jeffrey-morris" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;2012&#x2F;sep&#x2F;04&#x2F;barclays-sm...</a>)
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BigJonoalmost 4 years ago
This is eerily similar to a job I had. I also worked for a young asshole CEO called Andrew, with multiple rubbish businesses, pretending to have more money than he had, having no idea what he was doing, and faced jail time a few years after I left.<p>If you replace &quot;property market&quot; with &quot;education sector&quot; and &quot;UK&quot; with &quot;Australia&quot; we could have almost written the exact same article.<p>I wonder how many of these companies are out there. Be wary of CEOs that don&#x27;t bring anything other than money to the table. The more useless someone is, the more of a cunt they can be. Obviously this guy was struggling to pay his rent so he was going to take whatever job came up, but if you&#x27;re entering startups and have the privilege of a bit of money in the bank and time on your side, try and pick the one with founders that are actually doing the work themselves. Look for some proof that they&#x27;ve built, designed or sold something substantial, before you agree to do all the work for them. Because if they haven&#x27;t even begun to do the hard yards themselves, they&#x27;re not likely to respect any of your work.
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karmicthreatalmost 4 years ago
My first paid developer job was writing backend code for what I would later learn was the Canadian mafia. I was doing some backend and embedded work to build super shitty gambling kiosks for them. They already had some person &quot;managing&quot; project and the Indian contract house that was building flash games for the kiosk. He was useless, so I was stuck figuring everything out. Including getting things running on a then obsolete HP Itanium Integrity server with an old insecure version of Fedora on it. Plus figuring out how this was all going to work in the Dominican Republic where power was not a given at any particular time nor was connectivity. These kiosks would be scattered across 10&#x27;s of casinos down there.<p>Eventually things got weird, and I figured out that it was probably a form of scam against their investors. Since they wanted things very insecure and unlogged. Then they wanted me to come down to the DR and help with setup there. I bounced at that point, I was unwilling to give them that sort of power over me. They were in with the former president down there and I would have been at their mercy.<p>10 ish years later I would hear from the &quot;manager&quot; again. He wanted me to help with an automated locker system. I helped a bit but once he begged me to go to an ATT store and recharge his prepaid phone I was done with him. (I did recharge his phone because I am a sucker for a sob story)<p>If someone seems scummy, DO NOT work for them. Your gut is probably telling you something.<p>That said, a good work ethic and a baptism by fire where you have to do everything can be an effective way to get your start.
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lordnachoalmost 4 years ago
I think once you look outside of established brands, there&#x27;s a lot of this type of thing that happens. Small business led by some random person with no particular competence, who&#x27;s somehow found himself as the boss. The money comes from some unclear source, though that doesn&#x27;t necessarily mean illegal, it&#x27;s just hard to explain why someone thought to invest in this particular venture.<p>I did something like this over a summer once. Showed up in the office, which was run by the older brother of a friend, and he had a handful of staff. Phone salesman, secretary. Somehow they thought we&#x27;d just sort of do stuff and make money. We came up with all sorts of random schemes, and settled on one where we&#x27;d buy computers for certain people, who could pay for it through a government subsidy.<p>About a week or two after, the company was sold, somehow. I was able to claim I&#x27;d done the placement that I needed, and I wasn&#x27;t in need of any money, so it was fine for me.<p>But weird as hell.<p>These days I&#x27;ve also come across things with people&#x2F;money and no plan. They&#x27;re a little more specific (help us with crypto!) but they&#x27;re just not focused like you might expect, and the people are literally thinking that they&#x27;ll learn whatever they need.<p>Even one of my early jobs in the fund industry was like this. &quot;We&#x27;ve got a bunch of money, let&#x27;s invest it... somehow&quot;.<p>It can sound like a total joke, and sometimes it is. Other times you actually get somewhere with it and you can learn a lot.
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dakial1almost 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve noticed that many entrepreneurs have this immense drive and very little ethical&#x2F;moral sense, and this helps them get by the most dire situations, where common people would simply give up, because they simply go on with a &quot;fake it until you make it&quot; mindset. Entering very dark grey areas and leaving a lot of bodies behind (figuratively speaking).<p>There are the stupid ones of course that don&#x27;t get far, but the smart ones are the ones who really shine, I have a acquaintance who owns a unicorn and he is exactly like that. I&#x27;d never work for him.<p>I think it must pretty similar to the corporate psychopath profile who many times gets into the CEO position in big companies.
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Aeolunalmost 4 years ago
Contrary to most of the posts I read here, my first developer job was actually amazing.<p>I just learned a bit of webdevelopment during my studies and liked it, then managed to get a part-time job while still at university.<p>The company was started a few years before by 3 friends that studied physics and astronomy, but pivoted to software development for reasons I’m not sure about any more. Literally every employee there (about 11 at the time I joined) was amazing. I still have to credit most of my current skills and almost all of the important lessons I learned to everyone there.<p>I tried a different company after I finished my studies, which was also fine, but not quite the same. Tried running my own, but ultimately went back to the one I was at in Uni. Surprise surprise, they were doing even better.<p>I really only left because I got an offer I couldn’t refuse for a job in Japan. The salary was horrid but I really wanted to work overseas, and the work seemed fun.<p>Ironically, that ended up being a company much more like the one described in the article (better though, they had an actual business for starters).<p>Now of course I’m doing fine, but I’ve never since found a company as great as that first one. I check from time to time, and they’re still hiring.<p>If you live in the Netherlands check them out (no guarantees on current awesomeness) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;werkenbij.infi.nl&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;werkenbij.infi.nl&#x2F;</a>
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rwmjalmost 4 years ago
There are lots of these half-arsed tiny tech companies in the UK (I&#x27;ve worked for a few). I wonder whether this is true all over the world, or is a peculiarity of the UK? It could be that we don&#x27;t have a culture of VCs who would fund a company to the required scale and provide adult supervision. I remember when I ran a company, raising money or even getting a bank loan was impossible. (We just ran it on a shoestring and as a result were never able to scale.)
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Sebb767almost 4 years ago
It seems the site is experiencing a hug of death :(<p>Archive links:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;KJBWF" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;KJBWF</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20210804102448&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bennuttall.com&#x2F;the-surreal-experience-of-my-first-developer-job&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20210804102448&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bennuttal...</a>
jamal-kumaralmost 4 years ago
My first developer job was at some company making shit iphone apps like this, two years before this guy... but they were almost worse considering how stupid they were. People in those days would literally pay like a dollar for an app that just made a google maps search for &#x27;ice cream&#x27; or &#x27;liquor&#x27; because they didn&#x27;t know how to use google maps. I realized pretty fast these guys were never going to make anything of actual value. One morning I woke up and decided I was sick of this enough, so instead of sending them a bunch of compiled crap apps like this, along with some data I had generated for them for some reason, (It was unreasonably large in the gigabytes) I had some fun. I wrote them some letter in the morning making it sound like I had gone crazy and born again christian at the same time, and instead of coming in to the office I sent them the stupid shit they asked me to do over skype (REALLY SLOW TRANSFER RATE like below 10kb&#x2F;s) until like maybe a week later, shit still transferring, me already doing some other job... the fucking greasy guy from the marketing department showed up at my door early in the morning trying to get me to give it to him on a USB. It was pretty satisfying telling him to fuck off and to get off my property, and also never putting that on my resume.
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petercooperalmost 4 years ago
I <i>know</i> many will disagree, but working a few jobs like this seems to be a rite of passage in some industries. I had some similar jobs back when I had the spare energy and lack of responsibilities to tolerate it and I look back on the time more fondly than I should. I made some friends, learnt how (not) to treat and tolerate certain types of people, and seat-of-the-pants developing has its educational moments.
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dborehamalmost 4 years ago
&quot;Never work for a small business unless you own it&quot;. Citation: me, 35 years ago after my first small business employee experience.
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trhoadalmost 4 years ago
This is hilarious, and sadly not that unusual. You really do meet some utter lunatics working in these sorts of agencies&#x2F;software houses - it seems worse in the UK too.
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csoursalmost 4 years ago
Aside from the abuse, what a great first dev job. You get to start and finish so many projects! No scrum! No user support! No defect triage!<p>Obviously a little tongue in cheek, but it sounds like they learned a lot, which is better than most first dev jobs.
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SolubleSnakealmost 4 years ago
This rings true for me too (Also UK dev). I once worked for half a year at a company that was this bizarre. For example, we had several people come in - and leave - within a day. As soon as they saw how we were working they just left. I kind of found it funny only because the lead developer (now a very close friend) basically onboarded me with the company ethos after I&#x27;d been looking through my desk drawer and noticed a brown bag....<p>&#x27;What&#x27;s in the bag mate?&#x27;<p>&#x27;I don&#x27;t know...?&#x27;<p>&#x27;Have a look&#x27;<p>&#x27;....er, it seems to be....some receipts....a cafetiere.......and a what looks like a really really old banana&#x27;<p>&#x27;Welcome to [name of that company]!&#x27;<p>If he hadn&#x27;t have been able to make a joke of it too I&#x27;d also have walked.<p>Our managing director was an utter nutjob...<p>Highlights include:<p>He once called us from a major UK motorway and asked us where he was meant to be driving (we&#x27;d not seen him in days, and said we assumed he must be on a sales visit).<p>He would almost weekly lose the keycard to our building...which was required to get to the office...to the point where we suspected he&#x27;d &#x27;developed a taste for them&#x27; and was secretly snacking on these keycards.<p>He told us once that &#x27;NASA can put people on the moon! We can do this!&#x27; After us telling him that what he wanted to do was completely impossible. Like literally not possible. He was getting hassled by a finance company who we&#x27;d built an app for, and ironically they were saying that &#x27;the percentages don&#x27;t all add up to 100% exactly&#x27;.<p>&#x27;They&#x27;re unlikely to&#x27;<p>&#x27;We can make them!&#x27;<p>&#x27;We can&#x27;t...&#x27;
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zz865almost 4 years ago
&gt; The short version is that I was told we had to have it finished before anyone could go home. We were there until 9pm. That was my first day as a full-time employee.<p>I&#x27;d heard of modern companies trying to get new employees to release new code to production on their first day but this is a new one. Seems like a challenge.
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b0afc375b5almost 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve had a somewhat similar experience with my first tech job. I&#x27;m glad someone took a chance on me even when I had no professional experience.<p>Looking back now, however, getting screamed at in your face if you did something wrong is quite an awful experience. I hated it six months in, but luckily found another job after a few weeks.<p>Thankfully, I now have a decent amount of experience to allow me to not tolerate that kind of behavior.
intrasightalmost 4 years ago
Mine was pretty surreal also. I wrote software for the control room of nuclear power plants. Went with the crew that installed the hardware and software in the first plant. Turned it on, and the first words out of the plant managers mouth was &quot;that can&#x27;t be right&quot;.
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ChrisMarshallNYalmost 4 years ago
That was a fun read.<p>On a side note, here, in NY, running any kind of &quot;carting&quot; business requires dealing with ... <i>interesting</i> ... people.<p>Trying to open an independent refuse business can be ... <i>bad</i> ... for your health.
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holodukealmost 4 years ago
My first job as a developer was a gift from heaven. I started as a non educated pho developer. I hardly knew the concept of OOP. A very talented smart colleague took care of me for about 4 years. He reached me everything. From PHP to C to high and low level programming. Without him I would be in a very different situation. After that first job I got a decent job at another company. Few years later I was able to start my own company. Now in my second company for a few years. I believe coaching is the most important skill to have in a company. I was young inexperienced, but I was super motivated. Worked even during the evening&#x27;s just because I liked it so much.
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ionwakealmost 4 years ago
This was an excellent read thank you very much. I also worked in the area in a dodgy as heck company and everything rings true. So if anyone finds this story hard to believes its basically the norm for small IT businesses in the UK.
k__almost 4 years ago
ah, yes.<p>The joys of working for small businesses.<p>I worked for someone who moved from reselling operating systems to selling childrens toys.<p>I worked for someone who built an on-premise competitor to google analytics and despite having many big customers never made a single dime.<p>I worked for someome who build a crappy web app and sold liceses for &gt;20k a month to twenty clients and made a good living.
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avnigoalmost 4 years ago
Brilliant read, and oddly anxiety-inducing too.
jmfldnalmost 4 years ago
My first tech job was working for a karaoke company in London. I was hired as a music production manager but was studying computer science in my spare time and convinced my boss to let me revamp all of their tech. They were a tiny company and they appreciated the help I think. The boss was a lovely guy too who really encouraged me to run with it. The company was kind of lawless, no contracts etc. All very &#x27;fly by the seat of your pants&#x27; . Also located in a pretty bleak industrial estate interestingly.<p>They went from running their business off of an excel spreadsheet and rendering 4bit graphics for their videos to having an AWS-hosted HD video renderer, a streaming on-demand karaoke service, a brand new website &#x2F;store and the ability to create ringtones on an industrial scale and upload them to iTunes. I didn&#x27;t do the development of the actual software, I hired a few companies and individuals to do it and acted more like a product manager I guess. The thing about hacked Magento definitely rang some bells, what we managed to achieve through abusing that thing was a thing of wonder &#x2F; horror. We did so much with the wrong tools and with very little investment. I did write some in-house tools and scripts too. A few were in Scala which is hilarious looking back as it&#x27;s not really the sort of language your average non-software engineer coder is going to know. After I left, they basically left all of my tools unmaintained in the hope they would keep on working forever as none of the Magento types they had on their books knew about this.<p>All in all it was an amazing experience to have this freedom. I could do what I wanted, I genuinely transformed the company by rewriting their internal tool chain, built new tech products for them and got to solve some quite interesting problems. These days I work on &#x27;big tech&#x27;, big corp stuff and I love it but I do miss the freedom.
kebmanalmost 4 years ago
“One thing that might strike you as odd is the bizarre graphics.”<p>No, no! It&#x27;s quite enjoyable, actually! The cute sheep. The purple cow. They gave me a good and hearty laugh once I saw them.
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Tade0almost 4 years ago
I have an anecdote which I entitled &quot;The Man Without Pants&quot;. It takes around 20 minutes to deliver but the gist is that I spent a month working for a man who had a peculiar dress code - and that wasn&#x27;t even the weirdest thing about that place.
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holografixalmost 4 years ago
I know I’m stating the obvious here and please believe me when I say I mean no disrespect to the stories shared.<p>If you’re working for a small&#x2F;unknown&#x2F;“shady” etc business <i>demand</i> frequent payment for work done.<p>Ask to receive payment every week or every fortnight.<p>Default to “no” for any promises of future payments or “options&#x2F;equity” etc. If it’s not cash in your bank account you are trading an immediate tangible good (your service) for an intangible promise.<p>Be aware of short (3-6 months) contracts with an acceptance criteria and payment at the end. Stipulate fortnightly milestones that accommodate some variability in what you deliver and that are met with payment.<p>No payment then no more work until payment resumes.
abraaealmost 4 years ago
&gt; Do it today tomorrow doesn’t exist !<p>Epic motivational line.
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jjeaffalmost 4 years ago
This reminds me of an early job I had. Except my boss was closer to retirement age and had basically earned a great deal of money as an industrial sales rep. His whole business was basically providing sales staff for big industrial manufacturers.<p>I actually went in to pitch him to become an investor in my small startup that was in the education sector. He was immediately interested but wanted me to also help him with several projects he was working on. He needed &quot;a tech guy&quot;. He was the first wealthy business guy (but not the last) to tell me he was going to make me rich.<p>We pretty immediately started meeting with other people, he had me hiring a few employees, buying computers, having custom office furniture commissioned and checking out office space.<p>It was a whirlwind of different, seemingly unrelated ventures. There was my business, which I was trying to get off the ground, though after a few months, still hadn&#x27;t received any investment. But I was bootstrapping it with money that I was earning working for this guy. Then there was some energy drink MLM that I think one of his rich friend&#x27;s wife had signed him up for and he was buying cases and cases of it to meet quotas with plans to sell it. We had also hired a friend of mine as a sales person for some sort of mineral that I think is used in cattle feed and there were several other things going on.<p>We were flying around in his private plane, all over the state and region meeting with people. We would start around 5am and might fly to one part of the state, then by lunch, be one state over, then back to a local business by dinner and many times finishing up by around 9pm or even later sometimes. Lucky for me, I was just acting as a &quot;consultant&quot; since I was supposed to be trying to build my business. So I was just sending invoices to his secretary for my time. But I had almost no time for my own business. Though I was too busy living in this strange daze of so many projects and ideas being bounced around all fueled with seemingly unlimited money and a private jet zipping us around on a whim.<p>I realized things were probably coming to a head when he asked one day how &quot;we&quot; were doing with my education startup and if there was any free cash flow yet that we could start using for some of these other ventures (this was probably 3 months after I had pitched it to him). Of course, he had not actually given me any money for my business. But I think he sort of thought the consulting money he was paying me and his presence was just naturally building equity for him in my business.<p>I just told him no, we don&#x27;t have any free cash flow yet and he jumped on to the next topic. His adult son, who by then was running the family business started showing up more and it seemed he was trying to rein in his father&#x27;s spending. Apparently, he had spent down most of his retirement savings in those few months and he had attracted quite the cadre of grifters and hangers on (the room full of energy drinks was now starting to spill over into the vacant office next door). Perhaps to some outsiders, I seemed like one of those hangers on, but I was just a college student on summer break, excited about the constant action and interest that a prominent, wealthy businessman had in me and my business.<p>I would only catch bits and pieces of conversations here and there but I pieced together that the muscle relaxers that he had recently been prescribed for his back pain seemed to trigger a sort of manic state that was fueling all this craziness. We had to start laying people off and cutting any ongoing expenses and since university was starting back up, I sort of saw myself to the door and started responding to text messages and emails a little slower and slower and excusing myself from his business outings more and more frequently until he eventually moved on to fresher faces.<p>Definitely a weird but fun college summer break.
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benmarksalmost 4 years ago
&quot;I grew fed up of being stuck in this e-commerce framework – having to work with its hyper-normalised MySQL database (the EAV model)&quot;<p>2011? Had to be Magento. Not a great fit with what they were trying to accomplish. Not that they seemed to have a clear understanding of how to accomplish what they wanted, which was to throw spaghetti at a wall and hope something made them rich.
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ramesh31almost 4 years ago
Surreal can&#x27;t even begin to describe my first dev job. I&#x27;d never tell this story IRL, but this is an anonymous account so why not.<p>I was broke, living in a roach infested hostel in Waikiki after buying a one way ticket to Honolulu to surf, bum around, and not a whole lot more. Things had worked out great so far... until the money ran out. I was about a week from being homeless and living on the beach. Fortunately my brother was with me, and he had ended up landing a job as a tour guide for one of the big tour companies on the island. It so happened that the company was also looking for a web developer at the time, and my brother knew I had done a few small freelance projects in the past, so he recommended me to them for the position.<p>When I showed up for the interview, there was no white boarding, no engineers to talk to. At a small office in downtown Honolulu that also served as their tour bus depot, I met Diego, the Cuban-Hawaiian owner of the company, who was in board shorts and a t-shirt watering his banana plants. He took one look at me and hired me on the spot. Why? I had no idea at the time. But I&#x27;d find out soon enough.<p>Diego was obscenely wealthy. But Diego also turned out to be a swinger, and he and his Latin pop star wife had taken a real liking to me. What followed was a whirlwind of insanity. In between learning to write Javascript and PHP while working on our websites during the day, I was having wild threesomes, flying to Miami to stay in 5 star hotels, private flights to Maui and Kauai, staying in mountainside mansions overlooking the island, and generally living an absurd lifestyle. We ran practically every tour you could do on the island, and it was all free for me, so that meant beach houses to stay in, SCUBA diving (I ended up getting certified during that time), island excursions, every activity you could imagine. I even logged about 20 hours of flight training in the company plane.<p>We embarked on a complete rebuild of their reservation and online booking system. I knew nothing but a bit of HTML and CSS, but figured I could fake it and learn. The team consisted of myself and a couple of senior developers who had been contracted from the mainland. Our &quot;office&quot; was a converted attic above the bus garage. I didn&#x27;t realize it at the time, but we were actually doing serious multimillion dollar e-commerce revenue. And I was able to save him a ton of money by switching out our payment provider on the fly during an outage of the existing one.<p>It all ended up going down in flames as he was, of course, an insane person. I was living in a high-rise apartment in downtown Honolulu that they had rented for me, and Diego flipped out after finding out I&#x27;d had other women up there. After he chucked my brand new fully loaded i7 MBP out of the 20th story window in a fit of rage, I knew I had to get the hell out of that situation. I bought a plane ticket to San Francisco, landed my first &quot;real real&quot; dev job, and the rest is history. Diego ended up getting taken down by a class action sexual harassment lawsuit filed by a raft of other employees, and forced out of his business. But I never held any ill will toward the guy, he was just a total nut.
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adamrezichalmost 4 years ago
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danukeralmost 4 years ago
&gt; made false representations to creditors in attempt to wipe out debts<p>Funny how that got him a suspended sentence, while the gambling did not.
mapgrepalmost 4 years ago
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tholfordalmost 4 years ago
Just read a good non-fiction book about con men, one of them pulls this exact ruse:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Cleantech-Artists-True-Vegas-Caper-ebook&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B07V6L5M8T" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Cleantech-Artists-True-Vegas-Caper-eb...</a>
Andy_G11almost 4 years ago
The flip side of the egomaniacal types in the story and comments is that the world is equally full of skilled people with great ideas and coding skills who write really useful software but have no clue of how to get it off the ground and growing it into a valuable business.<p>How do some salespeople learn the art of dressing up absolute crap as &#x27;the next big thing&#x27; and wielding substantial power with zero capability, whilst many brainiacs are effectively ego-midgets who even if they invented time travel would struggle to find a ready buyer?<p>I think Jordan Peterson is right for many people when he says you need to act beyond your self-imposed mental limits because otherwise you sell yourself short.<p>There seems to be a level of self-criticism which causes certain types of people (say type Theta) to work on developing real skills but hurts their sales ability and self belief. People who lack that (say type Zeta) are capable of selling sand in the Sahara but may have very little other technical &#x2F; professional skills - and this is in no way a criticism of sales ability, which is worth gold.<p>If you&#x27;re a Theta, perhaps you need to be more Zeta, and vice versa.
coding123almost 4 years ago
In the United States we&#x27;re basically not allowed to create lottos. It sounds like maybe half the dev shops in the UK are just creating online lottos? Or at least that&#x27;s the impression this story is giving me.
Taylor_ODalmost 4 years ago
This is a wild story. A lot of people get their start in dev work at crazy shops like this. I don&#x27;t know if there are more or less companies like this in 2021 but they certainly still exist.
SebastianFrellealmost 4 years ago
Out of curiosity: is posting internal company communications (referring to the e-mail here) on a public site like this legal? I&#x27;m not saying that it isn&#x27;t; I genuinely don&#x27;t know.
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nineteen999almost 4 years ago
Had to laugh at the giving away of Fosters beer ... it&#x27;s an Australian beer but nobody in their right mind here drinks it. Only place I&#x27;ve even seen people drink it is in the UK.
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navsalmost 4 years ago
I can totally relate to this, especially the hacked Magento build part and &quot;you won&#x27;t leave until it&#x27;s done&quot;. Good lord, that was my life for so long.<p>I&#x27;ve had the opportunity to meet a lot of junior devs and I&#x27;m envious of their jobs. It was a lot wilder and messier when I started but I now see juniors in more developed, mature roles than me. I can&#x27;t help but be envious.<p>The real trick is to not get burn out and lose your love for the industry.
sleibrockalmost 4 years ago
Reminds me of my small time spent at a startup that focused on OCR scanning Medicaid documents (not going to name anything).<p>My friend and I worked for some random local millionaire in our area who wanted to create an automated system for processing Medicaid-related documents. We bootstrapped a bunch of Python&#x2F;C# code to create an illusion of a website that did something. In reality all it did was take document uploads, run a Tesseract OCR program, and regex through text. That worked for about one document out of a hundred on average.<p>Initially we started as contract workers, but then the millionaire decided to create a &quot;real&quot; company&#x2F;startup with an office. I started commuting to work, and the millionaire brought in his newly-grad MBA son not much older than us to lead the company. The son also brought his best friend on-board who was another Stanford grad. So we did a bunch of back-breaking coding while these guys ran a skeleton business hiring new people and letting us slowly hire our college friends to do &quot;work&quot;. Our friends were barely fresh out of college comp sci students and didn&#x27;t know much about developing in a professional setting at all, so we hardly meshed and collaborated on anything.<p>We didn&#x27;t use teamwork tools like Git properly, didn&#x27;t set up issue tracking, and we hardly ever communicated in a group. My friend who I worked with was focused more on infrastructure, and I was stuck trying to figure out how to read PDFs and documents in a secure fashion that wouldn&#x27;t leak data for fear of HIPAA violations (we even had a HIPAA training class at some point in office, which I don&#x27;t think most of us took seriously).<p>Our software wasn&#x27;t improving and we had a ton of issues hitting benchmarks and passing on test documents we had. After our HIPAA training, my friend and I had a dilemma where we wanted our systems to be secure. He said we shouldn&#x27;t want to write things at all to disk, because if servers were compromised, all of those Medicaid docs would be exposed. He was kind of right, but we had users log into accounts to view what they submitted, so this was highly baffling. Instead he wanted to store things to memory temporarily, but I really didn&#x27;t know how to do this part at all. Our OCR and document uploads went to disk, so parts of our systems had to be modified. He tasked me with securing this all by myself while he set up deployment and general infrastructure.<p>I didn&#x27;t know anything about solving these issues. I was hardly a security expert. I wrote Django and some Linux shell scripts, but my experience in security was none. At the time I didn&#x27;t know how to create memory-file mappings in Linux, so I was stuck trying to modify an OCR program to read and write from and to memory. Tesseract OCR was written in C++ and I am by no means an expert in C++ at all. None of our classes had taught that, so really I only had my Java experience to fall back on.<p>Eventually I started feeling pressure at work and not being up to the job. In meetings I had to say that I wasn&#x27;t going to meet a deadline for a task and that I would need assistance. I would get told to &quot;Google it&quot; and figure it out and have it done by next time. I would actively look for tasks from my coworkers to avoid doing my own work and tried to look busy and active and helpful. Impostor syndrome started creeping up, and I started having breakdowns after work. I knew I had to do something.<p>I left on my own volition and I haven&#x27;t spoken to my friend ever since. I felt better because I wasn&#x27;t confident in my skill-set. I started going to therapy, and was happy writing my own little software hobby projects while pursuing much less intense jobs.<p>This was almost 8 years ago and I haven&#x27;t written software professionally ever since. I figured the company would flop because it had bare-bones leadership and the millionaire investor was sketchy as hell and had too many demands. The company is still going strong it seems and re-branded themselves to a new name. I think they still do document processing. They have a fancy office now in New York City. My friend who I no longer speak to anymore left that place a while ago and works in DevOps at a new company. He was a really good friend for trying to get me into the tech world like this.<p>I learned a lot since then about comp-sci and software development, but I still feel impostor syndrome when I try to apply to jobs now.
iamflimflam1almost 4 years ago
Reading these comments makes me realise how lucky I was in my first job. Brilliant people and amazing tech.
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duxupalmost 4 years ago
As far as a few months experience goes, that really sounds pretty amusing, colorful, and not all that terrible.<p>You wouldn&#x27;t want to continue there, but some good life lessons learned about those types of people.<p>Got paid, cost a few months, have a good story to tell. Not bad.
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bytefacealmost 4 years ago
Man, I got some stories. I don&#x27;t tend to write them down. Funny read.
gregwiinalmost 4 years ago
I have learned a lot as a self-taught developer. At first, the experience is quite something new. I am always looking forward to contributing changes to the projects assigned to me.
tinttalmost 4 years ago
This story has an Irvine Welsh flavor
Izmakialmost 4 years ago
Half-a-job Bob, hahaha!!