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Difference between DevOps, SecOps and DevSecOps

32 pointsby acefluxalmost 4 years ago

10 comments

dijitalmost 4 years ago
Honestly I super hate the word “DevOps”.<p>It doesn’t tell me anything about what you do; and it implies that sysadmins never used to code either.<p>There are people pushing “devops tools” but those tools used to be called deployment or build tools. The word is pointless ambiguity.<p>Additionally: the “title” was coined as the name of a conference to include developers. The actual intended job title (and original conference name) was “agile systems administrator” according to the person who invented the word (Patrick Dubois).<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.dijit.sh&#x2F;devops-confusion-and-frustration" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.dijit.sh&#x2F;devops-confusion-and-frustration</a>
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cyberpunkalmost 4 years ago
Unfortunately here in Germany the majority of “devops” is just a bunch of operations people who maintain terraform and ansible markup, no real dev involved.<p>DevSecOps seems to just be plugging sonarqube into ci pipelines and installing siem&#x2F;wafs.<p>Is it really better anywhere else?
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bovermyeralmost 4 years ago
All the *Ops words are just attempts by people to name things. None of these attempts are particularly helpful, except perhaps as conversation starters.<p>I am not a &quot;DevOps&quot; engineer. I am a digital platform engineer, with specialization in writing code to connect things to other things.<p>When I talk to people outside of tech, I just tell them I&#x27;m a software engineer. It&#x27;s close enough.
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trabant00almost 4 years ago
This is getting more and more ridiculous. I even heard about GitOps (ops that use git). What is next? CliOps?<p>Thank you for all the buzzwords without which poor sysadmin old me would&#x27;ve never heard of coding, automation, security, version control and so on. &#x2F;s
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raesene9almost 4 years ago
To me, DevSecOps is mostly about seeing what tests can be done whilst not getting in the way of the development&#x2F;deployment process too much.<p>That&#x27;s not a bad thing and there&#x27;s meaningful security testing that can be done with that strategy, but it&#x27;s hard to cover all aspects of security testing in a fully automated DevSecOps pipeline.
notwedtmalmost 4 years ago
The missing link here is that &quot;Ops&quot; should no longer be the traditional imperative, reactive approach to systems design and maintenance.<p>Ops in all three of these becomes the modifier. This is why most practitioners today will tell you that DevOps&#x2F;DevSecOps&#x2F;SecOps are less individual titles and more a cultural way of thinking and operating and that the philosophy is executed by engineers of all types.<p>It&#x27;s important to remember the origins as well. Prior to DevOps, developers and operations teams were siloed in ways that hindered healthy growth in todays distributed systems and cloud environments. These &quot;*Ops&quot; terms were born of the necessity to impress upon people the importance of interoperability between traditionally isolated and independent departments.<p>*Ops is the natural progression of Conway&#x27;s Law into modern engineering organizations.
CrazyPyroLinuxalmost 4 years ago
I&#x27;m sure this is redundant, but since no one has mentioned yet: &quot;The Phoenix Project&quot; and &quot;The Unicorn Project&quot; are awesome books for this, and I recommend them both in audiobook.
sparcpilealmost 4 years ago
DevOps = sysadmin<p>SecOps = sysadmin has to apply the CIS&#x2F;SCAP&#x2F;whatever security template to the machine<p>DevSecOps = developer also has to apply the CIS&#x2F;SCAP&#x2F;whatever security template to their machine<p>It all ends up becoming marketing jargon for suits looking to follow the next big trend.
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poloticsalmost 4 years ago
Argh, one particularly clueless mgr once went on about DevSecOps vs. SecDevOps and the cringe factor was so high I almost resigned on the spot.
aaccountalmost 4 years ago
These are temporary job titles since most of the IT work these days comprise of gluing things together. I think these types of jobs will vanish with in the decade due to platforms like Microsoft&#x27;s power platform or dynamics 365.