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Show HN: Pop.com – pair programming with low-latency, Screenhero-style sharing

225 pointsby jsherwanialmost 4 years ago

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jsherwanialmost 4 years ago
Hello HN! I’m the founder of Pop (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pop.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pop.com</a>) and formerly the co-founder and CEO of Screenhero. Also on the team are a couple other ex-Slack folks and a former Electron co-maintainer.<p>Pop is the spiritual successor to Screenhero and strives toward the same goal: making remote work better than working together in the same room. After Slack acquired and subsequently killed Screenhero and after becoming remote workers ourselves, we found that none of the Screenhero copycats were really solving the problem adequately. Some are unstable, some are slow, some have poor UX. We decided to get back into the space and build a product that we like to use, leveraging some of the good ideas we came up with working on Screenhero and Slack.<p>With Pop, instead of just talking with your coworkers about concepts with words, the shared screen becomes a shared whiteboard for diagrams and flow charts. Instead of barking out line numbers or function names, it’s faster to highlight the line with a mouse. And instead of telling someone what to type, it’s easier to just show them by typing directly in their text editor. You can start a call directly in the app or with the Slack integration “&#x2F;pop” command and collaborate with coworkers on macOS, Windows, and Linux. Or, if you don’t want to bother someone to download the app, they can join a session via web browser (mobile browsers supported, too!), even without a Pop account.<p>For now, it’s <i>completely free to use</i>. We plan to always maintain a free version, though for heavier team and enterprise use, we’re looking to start charging soon (servers are very much not free). Once we have revenue, we plan to turn some of our attention to adding more remote office features, like spatial audio and presence, and, more broadly, addressing issues of isolation and loneliness in remote work.<p>We’ve bootstrapped the company entirely ourselves and are unbeholden to outside investors. Our goal is to build a product that people enjoy using. We’re not looking for an exit; we’ve been through that and know what it’s like (financially great, but emotionally taxing). We want to create an independent and sustainable company where we are happy to work for our entire careers.<p>Let’s get these out of the way:<p>1. Yes, we’re building on Electron. Yes, we are aware of the performance tradeoffs, but have decided this is the best choice for us. We’re shipping Windows, Mac and Linux clients along with browsers with a four-person team — it’s the only good way right now to do that without features taking six months. We’ve modified the screen sharing pipeline in Chromium to reduce latency as much as possible, because with interactive screen sharing, milliseconds matter.<p>2. Yes, the domain was expensive. Roughly $1.5m. We consider it an asset that is unlikely to depreciate significantly. (The domain actually has an interesting history as a failed precursor to Netflix from Ron Howard and Steven Spielberg <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2000&#x2F;sep&#x2F;10&#x2F;internet.filmnews" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2000&#x2F;sep&#x2F;10&#x2F;internet....</a>)<p>3. No, our non-compete no longer applies — it expired two years after Slack’s ScreenHero acquisition.<p>4. Yes, we were originally called Screen.so. It was not a good name (and HN let us know, thanks!) and we are now very happy with Pop.<p>We’d love you to try Pop and let us know what you think, even and especially if it doesn’t work well for you. The app has gotten exponentially better because our dedicated users tell us about their issues and work with us to get them fixed. And, if you have ideas about how remote work could be more enjoyable, we’re eagerly listening!
ElijahLynnalmost 4 years ago
Been using Pop since beta (on Arch Linux) and while it has had a few rough spots along the way, it keeps getting better. Pop does have a public issue tracker that we can submit bug reports and feature requests to as well &gt; <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.pop.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.pop.com&#x2F;</a>.<p>Pop used to have a roadmap (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.figma.com&#x2F;proto&#x2F;bMYNNI6cy4DL1r0dgOFzjI&#x2F;Screen?node-id=7654%3A0&amp;scaling=min-zoom" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.figma.com&#x2F;proto&#x2F;bMYNNI6cy4DL1r0dgOFzjI&#x2F;Screen?no...</a>) more visible about the longer term vision which I really liked, it was about creating a constant layer on the desktop where you can just press a hotkey, up comes a list of Pop contacts, and you can basically knock on their door, they get a quick ping and you can be joined together in a second. This is the vision that I am really into and there is an issue to track the progress here &gt; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;screen.canny.io&#x2F;feature-requests&#x2F;p&#x2F;global-shortcut-to-select-a-teammate-virtual-office-v2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;screen.canny.io&#x2F;feature-requests&#x2F;p&#x2F;global-shortcut-t...</a>.<p>This means no more posting video share links in Slack and the friction to actual pair with someone becomes a couple seconds versus a minute+. Really looking forward to this!!!
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danellisalmost 4 years ago
&gt; Yes, we’re building on Electron<p>I hope you&#x27;ll reconsider as your team grows. Developers look at their own app and think the extra resource usage isn&#x27;t too bad, but the more this happens, the more Electron apps I end up running at once. Because Pop includes presence, it&#x27;s something that, if it were more lightweight, I&#x27;d keep running all the time. As it is, if someone wants to call me, they have to first contact me on another platform to ask me to load Pop.
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nonameiguessalmost 4 years ago
Please provide a way to voluntarily downgrade stream quality. I understand if people with poor vision require it, but I really don&#x27;t need everything in hi def and definitely don&#x27;t need 3D.<p>A serious issue I&#x27;ve had lately is Teams consuming 90%+ of my total Internet usage. The fact that it is consuming massively more bandwidth even than Netflix doesn&#x27;t seem at all justified. My ISP is throttling me now and again and preventing me from being able to work at all. I understand it isn&#x27;t the place of your company to fix the problem of crappy residential network infrastructure in the United States, but if you want broad adoption from people working from home in the United States, you really have no choice but to accommodate this.<p>Note that the only reason I&#x27;m using Teams is because I&#x27;m required to while working on government contracts because it&#x27;s the only service right now certified to transmit controlled unclassified information.
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t0mbstonealmost 4 years ago
If you are looking for screenhero alternatives, you should check out Tuple! Our team has been using it for about a year now and we love it.<p>My favorite part about Tuple is how it HAS NOTHING that overlays the screen. It just hides in the tray.<p>I HATE when these screen sharing apps all try to put floating windows and menus and chrome around the screen edges. Just let me share my screen without getting in the way, dang it! Why is that so much to ask?
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rexreedalmost 4 years ago
Why is it so important to get an expensive domain? Does the three-letter .com really add that much value? Especially when it&#x27;s not a B2C product &#x2F; offering and specific to a focused audience? I&#x27;d think a three-letter .com would be something with widespread, international appeal to be worth the expense.
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rubiquityalmost 4 years ago
I loved Screenhero. How do I know you won&#x27;t hurt me again?
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xeno42almost 4 years ago
My team has been using CoScreen (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.coscreen.co&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.coscreen.co&#x2F;</a>) for collaborative meetings and development for much of the last year and it&#x27;s been really transformational.<p>The ease at which anyone can share any window and everyone can instantly interact with it is quite game changing for distributed teams IMO.
dangalmost 4 years ago
Previous related threads:<p><i>Show HN: Pop.com – Video Calls, in 3D</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25497737" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25497737</a> - Dec 2020 (136 comments)<p><i>Show HN: Screen – screen sharing for remote work, by the cofounder of Screenhero</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=22676040" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=22676040</a> - March 2020 (203 comments)
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dorian-graphalmost 4 years ago
Looks interesting!<p>I&#x27;ve used both <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.drovio.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.drovio.com&#x2F;</a> (formerly Use-Together) and <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tuple.app&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tuple.app&#x2F;</a> during the pandemic successfully at work.
tibiapejagalaalmost 4 years ago
Since you mentioned in a comment that your non-compete expired, maybe you are also no longer under any NDA. Can explain to a person outside of the startup world how this buy-and-kill works? If not killing a competitor, why? What do they expect a founder to do after killing their baby?
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borisdesouzaalmost 4 years ago
Hands down the best thing to come out for remote collaboration since the pandemic. My team and I have been using pop.com since we discovered it as screen.so. It&#x27;s been amazing! We added it to Slack and it make it seamless for us to get into a pairing session with one command. Prior to pop.com we tried a bunch of other tools but didn&#x27;t find any that gave us the fluidity of collaboration we got with pop.<p>One of our favorite features is the drawing capabilities. It&#x27;s weird to believe that this is the only tool we&#x27;ve used that has perfected drawing - something that has truly helped us collaborate without having to use a virtual whiteboard application.
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keithnzalmost 4 years ago
- back button from the download is broken - connect with discord would be good<p>Not sure how this fits, but often we don&#x27;t get services like this these days because of the pricing model. We like a lot of these kinds of things, and we subscribed to a bunch (many cancelled now), but they all added up and didn&#x27;t really charge us based on our usage. Perhaps we aren&#x27;t the target audience as you want people who integrate this into their regular work so people use it all the time. But for us, we&#x27;d want all employees to be able to use this, but if we don&#x27;t use it, we pay nothing. When we do use it, we really want max concurrent users to be charged (concurrent being not necessarily exact time, but within a day or so ). i.e., if 1 user uses it for 10-15 minutes for the entire month, we want to be charged something representing that usage. Then we&#x27;d be much more likely to signup and have this kind of thing available if and when we need it. Or any other model that seems fair for occasional &#x2F; spikey use, psychologically, we just don&#x27;t want to feel like we are paying for something we aren&#x27;t using when we don&#x27;t use it.
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pmontraalmost 4 years ago
&gt; Sorry, your browser isn’t supported.<p>&gt; Please use a supported browser Chrome, Safari, Firefox or download Pop for Linux.<p>I&#x27;m using Firefox 91 on Ubuntu 20.04. Is this a browser version check failing or a some missing capability? Maybe one of the extensions in my browser is blocking something needed by Pop.<p>It seems to work on Vivaldi. At least it gets to the account registration page. I hoped it would work without an account so I didn&#x27;t go any further.
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hartatoralmost 4 years ago
I&#x27;ve been following you guys&#x27; work since Screenhero then Slack integration then Slack reduced integration then Slack killing it (still makes no sense why) then screen.so then now we&#x27;ll give a try to Pop!<p>&gt; Yes, the domain was expensive. Roughly $1.5m. We consider it an asset that is unlikely to depreciate significantly.<p>Congrats on getting it! Hopefully it wasn&#x27;t too much of distraction.
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nathellalmost 4 years ago
At Fy!, we’ve been using Pop for impromptu remote pair programming sessions for a few months now. The killer feature, for us, is how easy it is to take or surrender control over the sharer’s screen. Much lower friction compared to Zoom or GMeet.<p>It works well, too. There’ve been random hiccups, but nothing too disturbing. Most of the time it just gets out of the way.<p>Thanks for the great tool!
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kirillzubovskyalmost 4 years ago
Have been using Pop for 1:1 pair programming sessions with a friend and it’s been great! To me there is a massive value in simplicity and speed with which we can go from zero to working. It’s 100x faster than Zoom or Meet. Two clicks and we are on!<p>Good luck, team Pop!
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Palmikalmost 4 years ago
Pop.com is a great domain name. How did you manage to get it, if you don&#x27;t mind sharing.
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lucas3almost 4 years ago
Helloo!! I found a bug which I can replicate as many as I want.<p>Steps: 1. Share screen 2. Change cameras videos to the big option (Out of the 3 options available) 3. Click on draw<p>Result: You are not able to click elsewhere on the screen, you just keep drawing.<p>Great tool though :D
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caslonalmost 4 years ago
Something initially very light and small (PowWow) turned into something very... not. Is second-system effect the right term here?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Second-system_effect" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Second-system_effect</a><p>&gt; The second-system effect or second-system syndrome is the tendency of small, elegant, and successful systems to be succeeded by over-engineered, bloated systems, due to inflated expectations and overconfidence.
j3th9nalmost 4 years ago
The website instantly overheats my computer and made me close it.
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brightballalmost 4 years ago
I miss screen hero, before acquisition.<p>Very glad to hear you’re back in the game!
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rvzalmost 4 years ago
Well done for your rename. At least they renamed to something better than Screen and obviously not taking something like &#x27;TurboScreenMaster 3000&#x27;. [0]<p>How does Pop compare to Watercooler? [1]<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=22678477" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=22678477</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.getwatercooler.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.getwatercooler.io&#x2F;</a>
anotherevanalmost 4 years ago
This HN post was quite timely as I don&#x27;t often need to remote control (usually screen sharing is fine) but there was definitely a case today.<p>One weird thing: Every key typed was doubled. So I&#x27;d type one &quot;m&quot; and on the remote screen would get &quot;mm&quot; in the input field.<p>I&#x27;m on Linux (Arch) and the other end was Windows 10.<p>Other than that, it was VERY smooth and my colleague was quite impressed. He is planning to use to for parental tech support!
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sagivoalmost 4 years ago
&gt; I named it “Screen” as homage to Screenhero, only to realize that such a generic word makes a terrible brand name, and consequently makes it impossible to find via search engines.<p>So you&#x27;ve changed it to &quot;pop&quot;? I don&#x27;t think you&#x27;re going to get any better here..<p>Btw I&#x27;m an old fan of screenhero.
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tanduvalmost 4 years ago
Congrats on the launch! How &quot;low&quot; is the latency? The &quot;Live Share&quot; feature is VSCode gets mentioned a lot and has some advantages over traditional screen-sharing as it seems to beam the diffs of the code itself rather than a typical video stream. How do you compare to that?
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vladharbuzalmost 4 years ago
I&#x27;m on Firefox on iOS and your website has a few pixels of horizontal overflow. It makes scrolling feel shoddy.<p>Anyway, OG Screenhero user here wishing you good luck with Pop! If Electron is too slow and you need a systems programmer, let me know. :)
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jeremywalmost 4 years ago
Your security doc says 1-on-1 calls are end-to-end encrypted, and I&#x27;m glad for it. Recommend promoting that bit to homepage marketing.<p>Do you expect to be able to make 3+ multiparty calls end-to-end encrypted, eventually?
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Cu3PO42almost 4 years ago
I have a small bug to report with the website: I cannot scroll the Privacy Policy site. This is on Firefox 91 on Windows 10, it does seem to work in Chrome, however.
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DrBenCarsonalmost 4 years ago
I think I remember seeing this when it was screen and being a little confused why you were using daily.co if it’s your core business. Still using daily.co?
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spockzalmost 4 years ago
We have been using VS Code’s and IntelliJ code with me features. Usually accompanied with just a voice call.<p>What is the added benefit of this? The on screen annotations?
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makstaksalmost 4 years ago
Huge fan of Screenhero back in the day so I&#x27;m happy this is back and you have full control over pop.com&#x27;s future.
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danr4almost 4 years ago
I loved screen, but only Debian&#x2F;Fedora killed it for me. No love for other linux distros? :(
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simonebrunozzialmost 4 years ago
Congrats on the launch! Can you tell us a bit more about the company? How many of you, where are you based?<p>Also, did you consider using Signalwire APIs [0] to power the service? (disclaimer: I know the team well and I am an early investor)<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.signalwire.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.signalwire.com&#x2F;</a>
pjotalmost 4 years ago
My first thought was, “this looks a lot like screenhero”. Glad to see y’all are back!
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programmarchyalmost 4 years ago
On macOS please allow me to turn off the Menu bar icon.
chadxzalmost 4 years ago
I love pop and recommend it frequently. Great work.
presentationalmost 4 years ago
Any thoughts how this compares to Tuple?
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jmacdalmost 4 years ago
Hey @jsherwani Welcome back!
smoldesualmost 4 years ago
Am I the only one who can&#x27;t scroll on this page? There appears to be content, but it won&#x27;t let me go anywhere past the front page (Firefox, if it helps)
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