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Visa Buys CryptoPunk #7610

132 pointsby superphil0over 3 years ago

14 comments

wc-over 3 years ago
There&#x27;s a lot of back and forth about the general idea of NFT&#x27;s, why would visa do this, the usual HN pros and cons of crypto, etc, in this thread.<p>To the software devs on HN that might scroll past this, before you close this tab because of all the crypto stuff when you want to read about coding, hang on a sec!<p>There are some really really cool new user experiences being unlocked with so-called &quot;web3&quot; tech. Micro transactions, wallets embedded in your browser, these technologies offer so much potential for things far beyond a punk NFT or cryptokitty.<p>Any front-end dev I talk to in person I urge to get in contact with some of these communities and try out a consulting project or two, so I&#x27;ll urge the same here. The pay rates right now are outrageous and you will get to try out some tech that might end up being useless or might end up being the next major comms layer, exciting times!<p>edit, adding some links here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ethereum.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;developers&#x2F;learning-tools&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ethereum.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;developers&#x2F;learning-tools&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ethereum.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;community&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ethereum.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;community&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ethereum.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;learn&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ethereum.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;learn&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;api3.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;api3.org&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forum.w3f.community&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forum.w3f.community&#x2F;</a><p>some of the above are ethereum specific, but there are always new communities popping up and out of ethereum. for example, Avalanche is ramping up their dev community funding right now with over $170m committed to the ecosystem.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.avax.network&#x2F;developers" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.avax.network&#x2F;developers</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.avax-projects.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.avax-projects.com&#x2F;</a>
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hanklazardover 3 years ago
I find their explanation so strange… they are adding it to their “collection of historic commerce artifacts”? Do they run a financial network or a museum?<p>If I were a shareholder, I would not be happy with this move.
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carlosdpover 3 years ago
It&#x27;s wild to me the top comments on HN are still &quot;crypto has no actual use case,&quot; despite the literal billions of actual dollars ($) being transacted <i>every day</i> through projects like Uniswap, Axie Inifinity (a video game), and the plethora of DeFi apps and NFT projects out there.<p><i>Despite</i> the massive UX problems that still exist.<p>It&#x27;s willful ignorance at this point. Like, I get it, I was a crypto skeptic for a good while, I still think Bitcoin on its own is massively over-valued and doesn&#x27;t actually accomplish it&#x27;s original stated goals. But we&#x27;re <i>way</i> past Bitcoin at this point, the evolution has been neck-breaking in speed. At this point, it&#x27;s pretty obvious what problems it solves if you actually take an hour to earnestly learn about what&#x27;s in the space (especially outside of finance).<p>If your best take on it is &quot;it&#x27;s all a scam&quot;, I highly encourage you to crack open some blog articles and actually explore some projects before writing off what I&#x27;m 100% confident at this point is the future of the internet.
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numairover 3 years ago
As someone who has spent a lot of time (15 years? Maybe more?) looking at “next gen” &#x2F; mobile electronic payments, I find it amusing that the crypto crowd looks at Visa and MasterCard as the ultimate form of endorsement and embrace.<p>Visa has the highest profit margin of any company among the largest 100 companies in the world — 49%, which is a significant leap over #2 (which might be MasterCard, at 41% — I forget if there’s anyone between them). When <i>these</i> guys give you a high five and want in on the game, you’re probably making the electronic payments landscape <i>less</i> efficient, not <i>more</i>.
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gokhanover 3 years ago
Somewhere, a CryptoKitties owner is crying.<p>Andy Warhol&#x27;s Marilyn artwork isn&#x27;t anything interesting for me, but it&#x27;s clearly represents a point in art history. I can&#x27;t value NFT&#x27;s as long as they&#x27;re digital only, non-fungibility does not create value all by itself IMO, but I understand the historical aspects of a CryptoPunk. So Visa is the first to do it in corporate world and that&#x27;s a thing, but anyone following won&#x27;t get the historical mention, Visa gets that.
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Trasterover 3 years ago
Well, congratulations to those NFT scammers, it finally paid off. They got their Whale. The entire game of pumping up NFTs to try and pass them off as a useful tool that&#x27;ll see widespread adoption has finally paid out. This is a small sum of money for Visa to throw away, but this creates a fantastic permission structure for unsophisticated investors to throw away their life savings on a set of worthless e-certificates. Time for me to start minting NFTs to represent ownership of plots of land on Alpha-Centauri.
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lottinover 3 years ago
Very disappointing to see a supposedly serious corporation giving legitimacy to such a blatant scam.
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bokohutover 3 years ago
The grand picture here is what many fail to see. The Starbucks proven payments model staging &quot;unearned income&quot; is what will continue to transpire as the payments world continues the devest control from the larger entities which will have no choice but to interface and interact with the changing tide. For those in the know we are seeing an explosion in demand of companies wanting to own and control the payments process as with so many middlemen in the fray everyone is being &quot;fee&#x27;d to death&quot;. The card brands are becoming more and more like toll road operators which dictate who can use the roads all the while cutting off their own noses and therefore pushing adoption to the very thing that will challenge their superiority, the OnlyFans Mastercard impact on crypto for example. Exciting times in FinTech for sure as this window in time resonates with me just as the build up to the dotcom bubble was a blast too!
superphil0over 3 years ago
Here another link explaining more: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;usa.visa.com&#x2F;visa-everywhere&#x2F;blog&#x2F;bdp&#x2F;2021&#x2F;08&#x2F;18&#x2F;nfts-mark-a-1629328216374.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;usa.visa.com&#x2F;visa-everywhere&#x2F;blog&#x2F;bdp&#x2F;2021&#x2F;08&#x2F;18&#x2F;nft...</a>
totetsuover 3 years ago
I feel like I&#x27;m living in the joke timeline looking at that price.. here I am still fretting over csgo gun skins.. and this sprite with literally nothing interesting about it is trading for over 100000 bucks...
randomhodler84over 3 years ago
Remember, Visa are the jerks that stop your girlfriend from selling pictures of her butthole on OnlyFans. NFTs are worthless ephemeralia.
Waspdotmkover 3 years ago
Awesome move from a marketing stand point… not communicated properly but still they look trendy
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ffggvvover 3 years ago
not even kidding going to dump all my visa stock. was heavily invested in it too. sad
fleddrover 3 years ago
I think the NFT skepticism is understandable. All attention seems be going out to a very low amount of questionable art going around for a few 100K or even millions.<p>Browse actual NFT sites and you&#x27;ll notice there&#x27;s zero bids on the typical NFT. Clearly, it&#x27;s not really working as a new market model. Yet.<p>Further, not really securing copyrights to the art itself I consider a design flaw. Without it, your ownership is make-belief.<p>All of that said, I&#x27;d still advocate to zoom out a little and keep an open mind to the idea. The way I see it, these are some of the first experiments in applying digital scarcity to the creative space. This first version being admittedly terrible.<p>Fast forward a few years and it may very well have evolved into something more sustainable and normalized. The reason I would hope for that to happen is that it may slash some very powerful gatekeepers.<p>When you&#x27;re a photographer, right now you may need to license your work to Getty images, for pennies, them fully dictating the terms. When you&#x27;re a small musician, you need to get on Spotify, them fully dictating the terms.<p>In theory, and hopefully in practice, next-gen NFTs can provide an alternative, a more fair market-based approach not depending on middlemen. Or at least less so.<p>The other advantage comes from digital property being programmable. For example, when minting an NFT, you can indicate there to be 5 copies, and you want 10% of any future resale of the piece.<p>You can&#x27;t do that in any practical way using old school copyrights. Digital property is superior in that sense.<p>And there&#x27;s the potential of cross pollination. Say a popular game commits to supporting NFTs. And in this war game your tank has a unique skin, that nobody else has. Instead of the game maker deciding on all skins, anybody can make them and sell them.<p>That would be another gate keeper slashed, and power returned to the community. Just this silly idea alone could create an enormous new market. There would be many more such new markets if&#x2F;when NFTs become interoperable, instead of isolated.<p>We really need to leave behind this thought that when it&#x27;s digital, it&#x27;s worthless. Our lives are digital now. In the future, you have a digital wallet on your phone containing lots of items. Your money. Digital creative works. Maybe tokens from your favorite football club. Who knows?<p>Last, I find it really ironic how on an article like this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28274026" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28274026</a><p>...consensus is that it&#x27;s a very bad thing that 5 companies own all of the digital landscape. Uniform agreement. Whilst at the same time, rejecting anything &quot;crypto&quot;.<p>Crypto is the only technology and movement that I can think of to have a chance at breaking down oversized gate keepers. Half of hackernews is complaining about big tech: tracking, lack of free speech, milking users, oversized power, creators that can&#x27;t monetize, killing competition by acquiring small players, hording patents, the list goes on.<p>Can or will crypto fix all of this? No. Probably not even close. But it&#x27;s the best chance we got.<p>I&#x27;d like my downvotes now, please, am going to mint it.