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Our most dazzling self-taught students may find college admission difficult

58 pointsby woldemariamover 3 years ago

9 comments

giantg2over 3 years ago
So the two people they described as autodidacts went to college but didn&#x27;t get a degree. If you are an autodidact, then the entire point of college would be the degree because otherwise you can teach yourself the same information and save a bunch of money, right?<p>While I don&#x27;t disagree with the author&#x27;s point that people should have opportunities to go to college, I don&#x27;t think this is a particularly applicable example.
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xyzzy21over 3 years ago
Universities mostly no longer teach anything worth the tuition. Jobs pay less than what would be required to make university a positive ROI!<p>Maybe STEM but only engineering and comp sci but no more than 10% of the general population has the constitution and thinking for being those. Most should no more be in STEM than I should be an English major! A degree in astrophysics is about as valuable - most have to figure out how to program or do some type of engineering-oriented job.<p>(Science is discovery of how the universe works for the purpose of pure knowledge - zero direct economic value; engineering is application of science to human utility and value - MAJOR direct economic value.<p>Right now the winning strategy is the trades - the massive shortage in tradesmen (it&#x27;s 99% men because women do not want these jobs) is the only economically bright option: no debt, make money while in apprenticeship, make good money with just some commitment. It&#x27;s a no brainer. Electrical wiring, plumbing, Construction, etc. is NOT going away but people qualified to do these are disappearing simply because they are retiring and&#x2F;or dying.
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le-markover 3 years ago
Teachers: grades don’t matter! Every admissions gate keepers everywhere: show us your grades.<p>When I was an undergrad asking professors to get involved with undergraduate research the first question they asked was always what my gpa was. Needless to say many doors are firmly closed to autodidacts in academia and other certifications focused careers. Say what you will about tech, it can be much more egalitarian in that regard though not always.
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adminscoffeeover 3 years ago
i&#x27;ve been into computers since my dad brought home an old commodore 64 from a firm he used to work at, they were getting rid of it and liked my dad, so he brought it home and had me punch in codes to play a game, my second computer was a 386sx that my dad built from one of those computer study at home courses.<p>i found two games hidden dos, one called snake and the other gorillas written in basic, i stared to learn basic at i think around 9 or 10 years old, we were homeschooled because my sister was chased into the bathroom by a guy who worked at the school who was a pedophile, so there&#x27;s that, after a bad car accident that nearly killed my family, my parents decided to move out of philadelphia and into the country, it was great until i had to socialize, i spent most of my teenage years helping my disabled father, i don&#x27;t regret it.<p>but i definitely had a hard life and don&#x27;t have anything to show for it. i am judged as lazy because i didn&#x27;t go to college right after graduating, i spent of my life as a hobbyist coder, programming in 7 or so languages, but i have nothing to show for it outside talking about it and showing people my pet projects, i did not believe in myself, struggled with depression and later on i finally realized i could go to college.<p>but, everyone was looking at surface me, a guy who people either think i was privileged growing up or lazy because of my job history being non-tech related. i don&#x27;t even feel like finishing school, that&#x27;s how far i feel behind in life, i wish i would have known sooner, but that&#x27;s how life goes for some people. i am not lazy, i just don&#x27;t make enough money to keep myself from failing in school, it&#x27;s very stressful doing this as an adult. so yeah, a supportive figure in my life would have made a world of a difference for me.<p>anyways, i am building an app in my spare time, maybe i&#x27;ll get it right and that will improve my situation. it&#x27;s a ridiculous shot in the dark like most business ventures but i can&#x27;t make 16 an hour living in seattle and expect to survive on that lol, anyways get your kids into a college or university sooner rather than have them figure it out on their own in their 30s.<p>encourage them to pursue what they are good at and encourage them to apply for jobs related to that field sooner rather than later because it&#x27;s very rare for a tech corporation to give a guy with no tech related job &quot;experience&quot; a job on good faith alone these days.
nimbiusover 3 years ago
tough opinion: As a blue-collar worker, im glad they cant get into college.<p>Im sick of seeing talented kids that can solve difficult problems and work hard, submit themselves to a meatgrinder that promises them wealth and success and instead shackles them to endless debt until theyre dead for a peasant wage at the local burger joint.<p>If the schools tell you to pound sand, come work for us in trade. We need welders, machinists, mechanics, HVAC, plumbers, electricians, and ironworkers. Youll tackle some of the hardest problems and at the end of the day feel like you did something you can be proud of. Our wages wont move you in next to ole Musky, but theyre enough for me to comfortably own a home, a car, and two motorcycles.<p>talk to your guidance councelor or local trade-tech college and ask about the opportunities outside the walls of a college sports team masquerading as an undergrad education.
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aldanorover 3 years ago
Reminds me of a story of a 8-year old girl who passed state high school exam and got admitted to Moscow State University at the age of 9 earlier this year... (Alisa Teplyakova)
nanisover 3 years ago
Forget about admission, if they get in, they find the environment in which everyone but they get &quot;A&quot;s rather difficult.
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mrfusionover 3 years ago
Maybe the era of mass produced education is nearing an end.<p>Everyone will make their own path from here.
BryanBeshoreover 3 years ago
Paywall
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