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EU states looking for MS Teams/O365 alternatives

79 pointsby pkzover 3 years ago
A group of agencies in Sweden have set up a project to find cloud providers who can provide an alternative to MS Teams&#x2F;O365 following the Schrems2 decision [1]. Similar work is ongoing in other EU countries. Will more US software providers find partners in the EU to run cloud services in a way that doesn&#x27;t involve risk of handing over customer data under FISA 702? There is definitely a huge need for compliant cloud solutions in the EU.<p>[1]: https:&#x2F;&#x2F;computersweden.idg.se&#x2F;2.2683&#x2F;1.754943&#x2F;swedish-gov-teams-alternative

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trasplerover 3 years ago
O365 is a big pain point for Swiss banks. It&#x27;s tremendous work to even assess the situation and you have to try to get straight answers out of MS in regards to every last detail of every feature.<p>From the little knowledge I have about this, it might not even be enough for MS to guarantee that the no data leaves EU borders but simply the fact that MS is a US company could be enough for US courts to force them to exfiltrate data. Not sure if this is correct or if they already have a company structure in place that would prevent this.<p>As much as I would like to see more competition thanks to this, I think at the end MS will figure it out and they will remain the dominant force.
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m33k44over 3 years ago
Jitsi?[0] It was european at one point. And online LibreOffice from Collabora?[1]<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jitsi.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jitsi.org</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.collaboraoffice.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.collaboraoffice.com</a>
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louskenover 3 years ago
For MS teams, many other alternatives like Element.io exists.<p>For 365 that&#x27;s a lot harder, mostly because nobody has come close to what Outlook and Exchange can do in large orgs. Word, Excel, PP are somewhat replaceable and 80% of ppl in those orgs would probably be ok with the alternatives. It is the 20% that uses more niche features that may or may not work as expected in competing products.
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fxtentacleover 3 years ago
In conjunction with recently announced subsidies and government spending to jumpstart the economy after Covid, I see this more as a strategy announcement, similar to the Chinese 2025 plan.<p>It&#x27;ll be quite fruitless in the short term, because already nobody really likes Office 365. Everyone just uses it for lack of better options.<p>But in the long term, governments announcing their intent to purchase should be quite the incentive for startups to replicate the core Office365 functionality. Of course, that&#x27;s not going to be feature compete, but AFAIK most people only use a tiny subset of what Word &#x2F; Excel can do.
minhducdooover 3 years ago
During my journey to break up with Google, I found Infomaniak is another option for EU countries.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.infomaniak.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;kdrive&#x2F;apps" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.infomaniak.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;kdrive&#x2F;apps</a>
bntover 3 years ago
Good luck getting 30+ years of experience in writing Office software (and then porting it to the cloud) with an EU startup.
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sdzeover 3 years ago
Nobody really needs the feature set of MS Office.
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Hokusaiover 3 years ago
They can use a very good Danish&#x2F;Swedish alternative: Skype. Or maybe not, because it was sold to an American company.
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nokyaover 3 years ago
Very interestingly, most comments seem to focus on trying to propose you a &quot;magic&quot; product. The problem you are trying to solve is not a technology but a human issue: most organizations don&#x27;t have the resources anymore to handle the technical complexity required to operate an integrated collaboration platform that is fully interoperable both within the organization and outside.<p>The shortest answer is that Microsoft solved this problem by hiring lots of people and making it possible (Google, too, but that keeps you with the same compliance issue).<p>The first problem EU States need to solve is human resources. Then they will be able to discuss possible solutions.<p>Starting the discussion on how to replace Microsoft by looking for products is basically running into a 100% failure trajectory.<p>My 2 cents.
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ekianjoover 3 years ago
Matrix? That&#x27;s already widely available, with E2E, and can be self-hosted too.
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npteljesover 3 years ago
I wish they considered ONLYOFFICE. Nice online document and sheet editor, company is based in Latvia, an EU and Eurozone member. And since it&#x27;s AGPL, any govt can hire a team and fork it, to tailor it to their liking.
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ssivarkover 3 years ago
Depending on what they are seeking, Zoho [1] might be a good choice (has most pieces of the office&#x2F;apps&#x2F;IT suite).<p>I&#x27;ve also heard that Zoho has been having very good traction in Europe, especially among users looking to avoid the MS&#x2F;Goog duopoly and stay on the right side of data sovereignty requirements.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zoho.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zoho.com&#x2F;</a>
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raxxorraxover 3 years ago
This is a fairly good idea. I think funding OS Office solutions would be feasible. It would be the cheapest thing any government ever did when it approached software.<p>And no, the average clerk can just a well use Word 95 and Libre Office is often just as feature rich as the MS alternative. The largest difference is Excel I believe. Well, then use Excel, but the rest isn&#x27;t needed for anything.
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klaustopherover 3 years ago
The interesting thing is, that in Germany Microsoft and Deutsche Telekom used to have a set up, where you could buy O365 hosted by Telekom, without Microsoft (as a US company) having access to the data if they are asked for it, via the Cloud Act.<p>But as they had many integration problems, they stopped offering this service in 2018[1] (German).<p>I think looking at GDPR and Schrems2 requirements, this would have been a viable model.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.heise.de&#x2F;newsticker&#x2F;meldung&#x2F;Auslaufmodell-Microsoft-Cloud-Deutschland-4152650.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.heise.de&#x2F;newsticker&#x2F;meldung&#x2F;Auslaufmodell-Micros...</a>
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danwood8mover 3 years ago
Friend OS is a great open source platform, with shared storage, document collaboration and video conferencing.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;friendsky.cloud&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;friendsky.cloud&#x2F;</a>
gidorahover 3 years ago
One of my endless frustrations is feeling like O365 is the only game in town.<p>I imagine it is a fruitless process in the short term
erik78seover 3 years ago
This is the reason I&#x27;m, and a group of people develop deployment methods for NEXTCLOUD.<p>We want to be able to offer PRIVATE solution that will be able to deliver both secure and private cloud infrastructure at scale to organizations that can&#x27;t affort placing their data in the hands of neither Donald Trump or Xi Jinping.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;charmhub.io&#x2F;nextcloud" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;charmhub.io&#x2F;nextcloud</a>
random_dork1over 3 years ago
Nextcloud is trying to be that replacement. I hope they succeed.