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UNICEF says Britain is the worst country for children in the Western world

26 pointsby ksvsalmost 17 years ago

7 comments

neilkalmost 17 years ago
I'm not sure if this is Hacker News, but the linked author isn't talking about the study's findings at all. He just uses it as a springboard to rant about a few mothers so bad they got sensational tabloid headlines. Then he works in a few predictable jabs at the welfare state for producing parasitical monsters.<p>This may be the study that the author is discussing, although it was released in 2007.<p><a href="http://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/rc7_eng.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/rc7_eng.pdf</a><p>Hopefully, anyone on this board isn't afraid of real data. The picture seems kind of mixed and even the authors find it difficult to pin down the exact sources of well-being.
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hughalmost 17 years ago
These sorts of studies aimed at ranking countries from worst to best are almost always pretty useless, based as they are on a points scale made up of some poorly-chosen metrics of goodness assigned arbitrary weightings. They're even more useless when just used to compare the twenty or so rich "western" countries of the world, all of which are fairly similar in terms of their absolute quality of life.<p>I like the way the author here acknowledges that he wouldn't usually believe this sort of study, and that he doesn't know enough about the other 20 countries to really judge, but since the study agrees with his prejudices he's inclined to believe it. I applaud his honesty here.
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zandorgalmost 17 years ago
My Mother is a health visitor, and she says there's too much NHS red tape in an otherwise good concept. Health visitors are unique to Britain, she tells me, and they look after developing babies and give parents advice.<p>As for the welfare state, it paid my way through University by a legal quirk, helped me develop software without worrying about bills, and will hopefully pay me through a Master's degree.<p>[Edit] - It wasn't a legal quirk, I was fully entitled due to illness, it was just unusual.
extensionalmost 17 years ago
<i>Since mealtimes are usually when families get to converse, the children do not learn the art of conversation</i><p>Children learn the art of conversation from television and practice it with their friends at school. From their families, they learn the art of neurotic bickering.<p>If being a kid in Britain means being a chav, as I have been lead to believe, that is sufficient to explain why it is the worst childhood in the western world.
bobdobbsalmost 17 years ago
What a great way to start a sentance "The British, never fond of... seriously, how can a country not be fond of children, wtf.<p>This article offers nothing constructive whatsoever and the title is misleading.<p><a href="http://juh.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/34/2/333" rel="nofollow">http://juh.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/34/2/333</a> "This article discusses the founding of the Manhattan Institute as part of a wider mobilization of conservative ideology and activism in 1970s New York. Important to the success of this mobilization was the concerted effort to reframe the "urban crisis" as a problem of values and culture and to construct a narrative of moral decline—and ultimately of conservative redemption—based in liberal New York."<p>- So thats where their coming from then.
arsalmost 17 years ago
Interesting, but: "Since mealtimes are usually when families get to converse" is not true. You can complain about lack of eating together, but don't make up reasons why it's bad.<p>But the rest of it was quite insightful.
sdpurtillalmost 17 years ago
Where's a link to the report from UNICEF? This is the stupidest thing I have read on the internet for a long time (like, 28 minutes and counting)