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Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

638 pointsby joeyhover 3 years ago

38 comments

Imnimoover 3 years ago
I doubt anyone at Facebook is freaking out about Mastodon and setting out to censor all mention of it. It&#x27;s probably just a keyword or link that tends to co-appear with other, actually rule-breaking content, and some automated system has learned to block it.<p>Still, it does seem like the sort of thing that could get Facebook in trouble with a regulator if you squint at it.
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ineedasernameover 3 years ago
Interesting how &quot;because COVID&quot; has become the thinly veiled excuse here. A similar manifestation of the <i>&quot;think of the children&quot;</i> trope that can be used to manipulate emotions and shut down dissent.
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mikeytown2over 3 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;joinmastodon.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;joinmastodon.org&#x2F;</a> Might as well see what FB is scared about
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chmod600over 3 years ago
Censorship is always abused. Maybe this time or maybe not. But it&#x27;s always abused.<p>And yes, it&#x27;s worse than misinformation.
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ameliusover 3 years ago
Here&#x27;s an idea. If everybody who dislikes Facebook removed their profile picture, then it would quickly become a dull place and people would flee the platform.<p>Alternatively, instead of removing one&#x27;s profile picture, one could replace it by the Mastodon logo to make a statement.
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strenholmeover 3 years ago
Yep. Facebook censored me for linking to an entry about COVID-19 growth on my personal webpage — <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;samiam.org&#x2F;COVID-19" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;samiam.org&#x2F;COVID-19</a> for the record — saying the post violated Facebook’s community standards, falsely claiming it was spam (no, I do not have a single ad over on my personal website).<p>Also, interviewing for a job at Facebook has been one of the worst job interview experiences I have ever had.
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Igelauover 3 years ago
I&#x27;d be willing to bet that the phrase &quot;corporate-controlled network&quot; is what set off the censor, and not Mastodon. That more often appears next to links to fake news sites.<p>On the other hand, the opaque&#x2F;nonexistent review and appeal process is sleazy and YouTubesque.
IronWolveover 3 years ago
Facebook has a blacklist on competitors, facebook wants to control the narrative, there is a reason your feed isnt by timeline, its artificially controlled.<p>Same thing happens on youtube, twitter, etc.<p>I&#x27;ve been using addons and rss feeds to go back to time&#x2F;date ordered feeds, so I don&#x27;t miss things I want to follow.<p>You can use RSS feeds to go around soft censorship, using apps like IFTTT, etc. Pockettube addon for youtube. etc.
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jonnycomputerover 3 years ago
This has happened to me lots of times, for innocuous posts. Like, for example, copying a screenshot of a graph from the CDC, along-side with a link pointing to the CDC website I obtained it from. Or copying a inflation graph from a blog, and then linking to that blog in the same comment or post.<p>Not some conspiracy, just incompetence on FB&#x27;s part. Of course some people would prefer to believe something nefarious.
utungaover 3 years ago
I&#x27;ve been censored in the exact same way for linking a friend to relevant government legislation. I think it&#x27;s a combination of the tone &#x2F; wording coupled with something about my posting behavior (I took a break for a while then came back). I dunno but it was annoying as heck (though somewhat understandable) that there was no way to appeal.
pope_meatover 3 years ago
I&#x27;m fighting Facebook by not participating. I implore the rest of you to do the same. As we leave, the folks remaining will have less reasons to stay. A trickle can turn in to a torrent. Don&#x27;t worry about an alternative even, we&#x27;ll find something new when we do, until then, a bit of a detox from the feed will do us good.
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ezekiel68over 3 years ago
Ech. I understand the general point OP is making but I don&#x27;t mind admitting I see things differently. I am free to enter Joe&#x27;s Cafe and do 99.9% of normal things one might do in any similar setting. But if I enter Joe&#x27;s cafe and solicit my friends there that if they don&#x27;t like the way Joe runs his cafe they should be aware of Lenny&#x27;s Cafe, I feel that Joe has every right to stop me from doing that. To pedants: Yes, I know the analogy isn&#x27;t perfect. But please don&#x27;t pretent it isn&#x27;t relevant.<p>This said, I remember when many MAGA friends announced they were leaving for Parler or MeWe or Gab and I never heard any of them claim their posts were removed (the ones who didn&#x27;t leave right away).
fortran77over 3 years ago
Where did he post this? My guess it wasn&#x27;t just to his &quot;wall.&quot;<p>If he posted it to a group (i.e., his college alumni group, or a sports fan forum, or a gamers group), no doubt several people tagged it as spam--which it may have been--and the algorithm kicked in.<p>There&#x27;s no Big Conspiracy at Facebook to keep Mastodon down.
pokey00over 3 years ago
I&#x27;m just sort of discovering the fediverse &quot;scene&quot;. I still have a lot of research to do, but decentralization is very appealing to me. I have some questions, and maybe the answers will help other people too:<p>* What aspects are currently priority for improvements?<p>* What are lower priority problems or features that could be started now and worked on at a slower pace?<p>* Where is a good place for someone with programming, networking, and&#x2F;or engineering skills to start getting involved with development?<p>* What can someone with little-to-no programming&#x2F;networking or related &quot;technical&quot; skills do to further the development and uptake of decentralized social media?<p>* Are there any suggestions for good reading on this topic, both technical and non-technical? Websites, books, people&#x2F;groups to follow?
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Ekarosover 3 years ago
Remember private platform and only governments can censor. Also first amendment. Free speech only applies to government not private companies. They can show you door if you try to use their platform to market your competing product...
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vmceptionover 3 years ago
This seems like an anticompetitive practice<p>Even if its toward an open source federated network that has no head and can host marginalized content<p>The implementation here seems to be an anticompetitive practice, which is sanctionable by governments in the US
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edorseyover 3 years ago
This exact thing happened to me last week.<p>I was notified on Sept 4 at 6:40pm.<p>Clicking on a link in my post to joinmastodon.com notifies you that the link goes against their community standards.
squarefootover 3 years ago
So they are at it again.<p>In late 2015 Whatsapp, which was acquired by Facebook in 2014, was caught with the pants down <i>intentionally</i> crippling functionality when detecting links to Telegram.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.androidpolice.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;09&#x2F;09&#x2F;whatsapp-is-blocking-telegram-links-in-the-android-app&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.androidpolice.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;09&#x2F;09&#x2F;whatsapp-is-blockin...</a>
eterevskyover 3 years ago
Facebook is not known to ban mentioning their actual competitors like Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, Telegram etc. so why would it single out this small social network?<p>It seems more like it was a false positive of some moderation system that triggered because the post sounded too much like an advertisement.
calibasover 3 years ago
Wouldn&#x27;t be the first time they&#x27;ve done something like this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;heavy.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;2018&#x2F;10&#x2F;facebook-block-minds-com-unsecure&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;heavy.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;2018&#x2F;10&#x2F;facebook-block-minds-com-unse...</a>
hdjjhhvvhgaover 3 years ago
They block <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;joinmastodon.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;joinmastodon.org</a> but not, say, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.social</a> - so probably it&#x27;s not a part of a strategy.
sitzkriegover 3 years ago
try it again with pleroma and see what happens!
dredmorbiusover 3 years ago
I&#x27;m no fan at all of Facebook. Don&#x27;t have it, never have. Think it should be destroyed utterly. You can find me on Mastodon.[0]<p>That said: the company sees 2--3 <i>billion</i> MAU,[1] and sees on the order of 5 billion pieces of content submitted <i>per day</i>.<p>The best I understand, their measure of exposure is not <i>items</i> but &quot;prevelance<i>, that is, the number of total </i>presentations* of a particular content.[2] Long-standing empirical media evidence suggests that this follows a power curve, where the number of <i>impressions</i> is inverse to the number of items. So, say, 1 might see 1 million impressions, 10: 100k, 100: 10k, 1,000: 1k, etc.<p>This means that a service can budget and staff for <i>either</i> the minimum prevalence threshold before manual review, <i>or</i> the total number of items granted more than some <i>maximum</i> unreviewed threshold. Machine-assisted filtering can help. In either case, though, mistakes will happen, and at <i>5 billion items&#x2F;day</i>, the number of misclassifications <i>even at very high accuracy</i> is <i>large</i>:<p>- 1%: 50m&#x2F;dy<p>- 0.1%: 5m&#x2F;dy<p>- 0.01%: 500k&#x2F;dy<p>- 0.001%: 50k&#x2F;dy<p>... which necessitates secondary review and additional costs, as well as, of course, malicious appeals by bad-faith actors. If the filtering system is fed by user reports (flags and the like), then malicious or simply disagreement-based flags may well trigger moderation. (Crowdsourcing has its own profound limits.)<p>Another element is that, <i>especially with AI-based filtering systems</i>, what results is <i>determination without explanation</i>. We know <i>that</i> a specific item was rejected, but not <i>why</i>. And <i>in all likelihood, FB and its engineers cannot determine the specific reason either.</i><p>(I&#x27;ve encountered this situation more often from Google, again, as I don&#x27;t use FB, but the underlying mechanics of AI-based decision systems are the same between such systems.)<p>The upshot though is:<p>- Moderation <i>is</i> necessary.<p>- It&#x27;s ultimately capricious and error-prone. There are initiatives and proposals for greater transparency and appeals.<p>- Cause-determination is ... usually ... poorly founded.<p>________________________________<p>Notes:<p>0. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;toot.cat&#x2F;@dredmorbius" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;toot.cat&#x2F;@dredmorbius</a> Also Diaspora (see below).<p>1. Monthly active users. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;investor.fb.com&#x2F;investor-news&#x2F;press-release-details&#x2F;2021&#x2F;Facebook-Reports-First-Quarter-2021-Results&#x2F;default.aspx" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;investor.fb.com&#x2F;investor-news&#x2F;press-release-details&#x2F;...</a><p>2. See Guy Rosen, VP of Integrity for both content and prevalence references: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nitter.kavin.rocks&#x2F;guyro&#x2F;status&#x2F;1337493574246535168?s=20" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nitter.kavin.rocks&#x2F;guyro&#x2F;status&#x2F;1337493574246535168?...</a> I&#x27;ve written more on the topic here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;joindiaspora.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;f3617c90793101396840002590d8e506" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;joindiaspora.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;f3617c90793101396840002590d8e...</a>
CrazyCatDogover 3 years ago
Mastodon Ivory is illegal to sell—my money is on anti-poaching filters and dumb coincidence.<p>FB I’m for hire! Plenty of experience spin-doctoring&#x2F;downplaying incidences for PR.
qw_rtyover 3 years ago
checking with <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blacklistalert.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blacklistalert.org&#x2F;</a> there&#x27;s a website which is blacklisting joinmastodon.org<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.justspam.org&#x2F;check-an-ip?ip=66.111.4.71" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.justspam.org&#x2F;check-an-ip?ip=66.111.4.71</a>
danShumwayover 3 years ago
I think this is highly unlikely to be a targeted attempt to censor Mastodon. The simpler explanation (and the explanation with most historical evidence behind it) is just that Facebook&#x27;s AI algorithms are kind of bad and nobody in the company understands how they work or what associations they build.<p>However, the underlying idea that Facebook would block links to competitors is historically valid. As recently as 2016, Facebook blocked links to competing networks from Instagram (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;3&#x2F;3&#x2F;11157124&#x2F;instagram-blocks-snapchat-telegram-links" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theverge.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;3&#x2F;3&#x2F;11157124&#x2F;instagram-blocks-...</a>), and leaked internal emails from Facebook have shown that the company has an extremely broad view of what does and doesn&#x27;t count as a competitor (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;panatimes.com&#x2F;facebook-bought-instagram-to-neutralize-a-competitor-emails-show" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;panatimes.com&#x2F;facebook-bought-instagram-to-neutraliz...</a>). The company is extremely anti-competitive, it&#x27;s not shy about this, and internal emails show that this anti-competitive attitude is entrenched very deeply and very consciously within upper management.<p>I think taking down this post in specific is very unlikely to be deliberate because:<p>A) Mastodon is likely not a large enough service to warrant it, and because<p>B) The explanation based on Facebook&#x27;s AI being weird, opaque, and generally untested is a much cleaner, simpler explanation that requires fewer jumps in logic.<p>But it would be completely in character for Facebook to target a real competitor in this way. The reason it&#x27;s unlikely to be deliberate is <i>not</i> because Facebook would never do something like this, and it&#x27;s <i>not</i> because Facebook would be too frightened of regulators to do it so openly. Facebook has very openly done stuff like this in the past. It&#x27;s just that there are other explanations that are more likely, and it&#x27;s that if Facebook was going to start doing this, Mastodon probably wouldn&#x27;t be among the first competitors they would target. I need a lot more evidence to show that this is deliberate before I jump off of the (extremely compelling) explanation that automated moderation is really buggy across the board and regularly does unexpected things.<p>The article comes off as a little uncurious to me, I feel like the author is jumping too quickly to a specific conclusion without a lot of critical thought. But part of why Facebook has these problems with people jumping to conclusions about how it tracks and moderates is because Facebook has a very real history of being openly corrupt in these areas, and Facebook has a real history of being deceptive about their motivations behind decision-making processes. The reputation hasn&#x27;t come out of nowhere.
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kevincoxover 3 years ago
This was the final straw that lead me to start moving away from Facebook Messenger. They were preventing me from sending seemingly random links in 1:1 chats. That was enough reason to start moving friends to a solution with E2EE.<p>This example my have not been malicious, but it is a start reminder that you are allowing them to see, and control, your communication. That is something that I would prefer not to occur.
natural219over 3 years ago
The fact that people buy into any of these excuses (Russian manipulation, Covid misinformation) as anything but an excuse to shut down competition and consolidate control is utterly beyond me.<p>Read literally a single history book, people.
seventytwoover 3 years ago
Seems pretty lucrative right now to be crying censorship.
ergocoderover 3 years ago
FB can ban whoever they want as long as it is not a protected class.<p>FB can ban you because you like to eat broccoli or for whatever any reason.<p>Many people support this idea during trump&#x27;s ban. So you will just need to suck it up.
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srcreighover 3 years ago
Try linking to pushbullet.com in FB messenger
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efitzover 3 years ago
The tech oligarchs are out of control. We need to classify them as common carriers now.
tyingqover 3 years ago
This part is interesting...<p><i>&quot;We have fewer reviewers available right now because of the coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak...&quot;</i><p>That smells fishy. Seems like a job that would be a really good fit for work-from-home. Wouldn&#x27;t you then have more reviewers available?<p>Or maybe the exposure to graphic content means they do this in the office?
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swayvilover 3 years ago
I went to joinmastadon.org<p>Please disable your ad blocker and reload the page.<p>I disable adblock and reload.<p>Please disable your ad blocker and reload the page.<p>Yknow
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th0ma5over 3 years ago
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imchillybover 3 years ago
A social media platform refused to let you advertise a competing social media platform.<p>Is this really news? Isn&#x27;t this just business as usual in corporate America?
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justbored123over 3 years ago
So, the author is surprised that a private business doesn&#x27;t let him use their free platform to promote their competition at the same time that they trash them...<p>The level of delusion and entitlement of some people is simply to hard to understand for me.
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tayo42over 3 years ago
Probably just a bug, I work in different social media, but see these kinds of posts pop up about it when something happens by accident. The comment threads are filled with people throwing out unfounded accusations, &quot;obvious&quot; conspiracy theories. The mob is riled up.<p>One of the most amusing things about actually working in one of these companies is just seeing how confidently wrong some internet commenters are about what is actually happening when an article or outage happens.
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