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Ask HN: Can you be openly politically right-leaning in tech in North America?

43 pointsby shamooover 3 years ago
I do not have any direct experience with this but would like to get a feel for the degree to which the anti-conservative narrative is true from people with first or second hand experience? Where is this heading?<p>Note: This is not an implication for or against my political beliefs.

15 comments

genkimindover 3 years ago
I lean right (fiscally) and sometimes my comments are perceived as unwelcome in group chats. Such topics include afghanistan, covid statistics, are seemingly discouraged. Comments talking about how terrible, racist, and sexist the company is are totally cool. In fact creating a woman&#x27;s right&#x27;s channel where the whole purpose is to bash our own employer is also cool. @hereing #general with stories about sexism and how it is rampant in society and white males are no problem. But not afghanistan. Not ok. I imagine most people must hate the obnoxious BS but nobody wants to shout back in 2021.
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gtirloniover 3 years ago
Could you define the set of beliefs that comprise &quot;right-leaning&quot;? That should help here.
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mmallaover 3 years ago
The uncomfortable truth is that this in large part predicated on the culture set by the founders of the company. Only founders have the leeway to dictate what is culturally apropos. Although, I believe that there are strong regional forcing functions that heavily encourage founders to lean one way (in silicon valley, this is usually left). In particular these forcing functions are ability to recruit, form business partnerships and generate positive peer&#x2F;user sentiment. If you are part of the political out group this can severely hamper your ability to do many of the things necessary for success which is why you don&#x27;t see any companies riding against the wave (it&#x27;s hard enough as it is).
recursivedoubtsover 3 years ago
That&#x27;s bait.
pseudo0over 3 years ago
It depends, but some areas of tech are more welcoming than others. If you&#x27;re more libertarian right-leaning, fintech is probably a decent bet. If non-libertarian right-wing, you could always get a clearance and work for one of the many defence contractors in NoVA or MD.<p>You&#x27;d likely be miserable in SF or Seattle though. In some circles it isn&#x27;t enough just to shut up regarding certain topics - &quot;silence is violence&quot; and you&#x27;re expected to enthusiastically applaud the zeitgeist of the week.
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smoldesuover 3 years ago
Are you a good person?<p>That&#x27;s a weird, loaded, and hard to answer question. It&#x27;s subjective, and equally in your favor as it is out of it. Politics should have no bearing on your success in the tech world, and if it does then I think you&#x27;re participating in politics wrong. You can&#x27;t be openly political anywhere without expecting repercussions, especially now. This concept of &quot;can you be conservative in this&quot; and &quot;can you be liberal in that&quot; is all about setting these self-fulfilling prophecies that only serve to redouble your own political beliefs. Be smart, and stop trying to make other people accountable for the way you behave.
5555624over 3 years ago
The problem is what is &quot;right-leaning&quot;? Once upon a time, that would be someone roughly in the center, who leans to the right right. A moderate who is anti-abortion, pro gun rights, low taxes.<p>These days, its&#x27; all or nothing -- you&#x27;re either left or right. Democrats wold have you believe that all Republicans are pro-Trump, gun nuts, and believe Trump won the election. Republicans would have you believe that all democrats are socialists and we need to raise taxes.<p>It&#x27;s just easier to keep politics out of the office as much as possible.
Grievingover 3 years ago
Not really, as evidenced by the comments here. If you&#x27;re a libertarian or fiscal conservative--a liberal capitalist--you can squeak by as long as you make obeisance on social issues. If you&#x27;re a member of a protected class you may get a little more leeway. I&#x27;m basically a Democrat from 20 years ago and have to keep my head down at all times.
blahblahbloggerover 3 years ago
No.
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eddof13over 3 years ago
I could say I don&#x27;t support or believe in tech censorship, vaccine passports, virtue signaling, BLM, critical race theory, white guilt&#x2F;privilege and that I don&#x27;t believe that trans women are women.<p>However, I suspect that it&#x27;s true that an employer would not approve of that, and that right leaning beliefs or believers don&#x27;t get a fair shake in this climate.<p>So I think it&#x27;s best to not be open about and say such things. 80% of your paycheck is to do the job, and the 20% is to not have any opinions or sexually harass anyone.
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lolthrowaway1over 3 years ago
You can, kinda.<p>I&#x27;m a very small government person. Far more libertarian than republican but the general republican obstructionism in government suits my ends so I like them better than democrats these days.<p>I&#x27;m &quot;out&quot; within my own smallish company. I&#x27;m in a very secure position there though and even if I wasn&#x27;t, I&#x27;m not in a position where employment is a necessity for me at this point.<p>&gt; lower taxes and smaller government, or if you are right leaning because you are a homophobic, racist<p>See, the problem here is that things I ascribe to being in the former category others will chose to ascribe my motivations to the latter. For example, the canonical example of the baker who refused to bake a cake for the gay wedding? I believe that private businesses should be left to their own devices with minimal government regulation, at least inversely proportional to their size&#x2F;market share.<p>The baker who bakes cakes where you can just walk across&#x2F;down the street to another one? If they chose to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding I&#x27;m not going there for a few reasons, besides me not wanting to patronize them they don&#x27;t want me because I&#x27;m gay. I wouldn&#x27;t patronize a bakery that wouldn&#x27;t serve women (I&#x27;m a guy) or black people either (I&#x27;m white) because that doesn&#x27;t align with my values, but, I don&#x27;t think the government needs to (or should) inject it&#x27;s morality into the free market. Most people would call me racist&#x2F;homophobic because of it. As a gay man I&#x27;m shut out of most gay spaces because of having this opinion.<p>Similarly, and frankly worse, in tech. Tech people are a fun combination of so convinced that they are smarter than everyone else and so convinced that Their Way is The Correct Way and that anyone who disagrees is some form of -ist. In fairness, most tech people I meet are wicked smart but they are also myopic and don&#x27;t always see the full spectrum.<p>I had an opportunity to join one of the FAANG companies last year at a seriously significant salary hike. I turned it down in large part because I knew I&#x27;d either have to constantly lie about my politics or refuse to answer and I&#x27;ve known others who have become labeled evil and complicit by virtue of refusing to answer the question. From asking some trusted friends on the inside about it, the group I was (possibly) joining wasn&#x27;t nearly as bad as some others and I probably would have been fine never discussing politics, but, these things can change on a dime and I don&#x27;t really want to hide. I spend all of my life up to college hiding in one closet, I&#x27;m not going back into another closet almost 30 years later.<p>It&#x27;s a funny dynamic too, even though it&#x27;s not open there are conservatives in tech in companies where you wouldn&#x27;t expect, If we don&#x27;t know who the others are we do a funny tiptoe around each other to identify (there&#x27;s no secret handshake or code words unfortunately). We have to suss each other out very carefully. I remember when I was in a conversation with someone in my company and someone from a 3rd party vendor (I knew them both well, but, neither of them had ever spoken) and let slip something which I normally wouldn&#x27;t say around others. My co-worker gave me laser eyes like &quot;be more careful!&quot; and I quickly responded to explain that Bob was cool.<p>So are conservatives in tech persecuted in the USA? IMO, absolutely.<p>Can you be openly right-leaning? For now, you can be, in the right circumstances, at the expense of either your career entirely or at the expense of limiting your career options drastically.<p>Where is it heading? Reeducation camps for wrong think.<p>If none of the above convinces you perhaps merely even the fact that this is a question which needs to be asked will give you some pause.
h2odragonover 3 years ago
You can&#x27;t even have <i>friends</i> who are &quot;too right wing&quot;.
true_religionover 3 years ago
Right leaning sure! I’m right leaning… I mean at least I think I am since I’m a Republican [3].<p>For the most part, what makes people “lean right” is religious precepts [1] which are covered under Federal labor law protections so no one can actually discriminate against you if you voice them. The other thing that traditionally made people lean right is economic concepts (think Ron Paul), and at worst people think you’re boring for bringing that stuff up.<p>Thing is none of that stuff is really in vogue so we who lean right in that way basically don’t talk about it, and are totally overlooked by the media.<p>What you can’t be is…<p>1. A supporter of Trump and&#x2F;or the insurgents<p>2. A ethonationalist of any kind<p>3. Someone who can’t help but speak out against a protected group (e.g. women, transgendered, people of foreign birth)<p>Now politics wise we who merely “lean right” would say that all of those three groups aren’t on our right… they’re on a totally different spectrum same as the one occupied by ecoterrorists, and authoritarian communists.<p>Now I come from Northern Virginia, the actual birthplace of that flag southerners love waving so frantically and I know many people who count themselves as conservative (religiously, economically, socially) who trashed their flags when they learned the story behind their creation[2].<p>So right vs left? It’s not really that simple.<p>[1] My screen name is from the sadly much diminished jeans company, but in their heyday that denim really deserved its cult following.<p>[2] William Porcher Miles designed the flag of the army of northern Virginia, which is now basically known as the confederate flag. You would be hard pressed to find a dude more supportive of slavery than this guy. He started his political career just to advocate for keeping people in chains, and said it was a “Divine institution” and the white in the flag was representative of … you guessed it white skin. Can’t get more white nationalist than that.<p>[3] Left and right are concepts of political parties in the US, not actual beliefs. I’m kinda hoping the Democrats will create space to capture all the people in the Republican Party who do not love the direction it’s gone down in the past 10 years.
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celticninjaover 3 years ago
It depends if you are right leaning because you want lower taxes and smaller government, or if you are right leaning because you are a homophobic, racist.
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gregjorover 3 years ago
Are you joking? 29% of Americans identify as Republicans, 44% as &quot;right-leaning.&quot; I assume most of them live &quot;openly.&quot; Fox News, openly politically right-leaning, remains the most-watched network in the US. Members of my own family and circle of friends lean right, openly and proudly, just like I lean progressive, openly.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&#x2F;topic&#x2F;politics-policy&#x2F;us-elections-voters&#x2F;voters-voting&#x2F;voter-demographics&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pewresearch.org&#x2F;topic&#x2F;politics-policy&#x2F;us-electio...</a><p>Looking at the rest of North America, it looks like lots of Canadians openly act on right-leaning political beliefs:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;2019_Canadian_federal_election" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;2019_Canadian_federal_election</a><p>The other large democracy in North America -- Mexico -- has a large and visible right-leaning constituency.<p>Maybe in the echo chambers of the Bay Area or New York or LA expressing right-leaning political views gets a dismissive reaction, but that certainly isn&#x27;t the case across North America.