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My Bosses at McKinsey Made Us Get on 2 A.m. Zoom Calls

67 pointsby breitlingover 3 years ago

12 comments

philwelchover 3 years ago
The people who work at McKinsey are, in the context of the American class system, members of the elite. They are not the oppressed proletariat. They&#x27;re soft-handed, Ivy League educated elites fighting to climb the top rungs of the status ladder. That&#x27;s always been difficult throughout human history, and if the biggest hardship of our elite is 2 AM Zoom calls, we should find a more deserving elite.<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong. I certainly don&#x27;t want to be on any 2 AM Zoom calls. But I also don&#x27;t aspire to be a member of the elite. And if I did, I would probably be willing to endure hardship in order to achieve that goal.<p>But there&#x27;s another level to this. At one point, the left advocated for the working class, and a leftist rag like Mother Jones wouldn&#x27;t be caught dead publishing entitled whining from members of the soft-handed elite class complaining about how difficult their lives are. But now, for some reason, the McKinsey class has managed to co-opt the left and cast themselves as the victims.
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burntoutsophosover 3 years ago
I empathize with her situation as I&#x27;ve been in similar situation at a Big 4 organization - An onshore manager (not my direct manager) from my team called me up at 2.30am (his afternoon time) during the first week of our engagement. I did not receive the call but fretted over whether he had an emergency at the Client site.<p>Turns out, that the next day, he mentioned he had simply called up at the unearthly hour to ask about details that I had already mailed him the previous evening. His lame excuse - &#x27;Sorry dude, I don&#x27;t read mails&#x27;<p>I&#x27;m not sure if I should feel proud or ashamed (or maybe both) that I was able to pull off 60-80 hour weeks and weekend work far too long for my corporate overlords without resorting to exotic stuff that the interviewee in this article used for staying up late&#x2F;battling stress.<p>As long as people are enamored by such workplaces (including 24 year old past &#x27;me&#x27;), not much will change - at least not soon.<p>Edit: Forgot to mention that the manager showed no remorse for a situation that was never an emergency. Guess I should simply be grateful that he didn&#x27;t reprimand me for failing to be his 24 hour little helper&#x2F;Verbal Email reader. :)<p>Regards,<p>~Burned out Corporate Slave
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Taruchoover 3 years ago
She should not worry. After 1.5-2 years of 60-hour workweeks at McKinsey she will be qualified to get a comfy 40-hour work-week management position at a software company and will make us devs work 60-hour work-weeks until she retires us at 35 because who needs that much experience to program a computer. And unless this is in FAANG, we will get paid as seniors the same she did as a junior.
chromatinover 3 years ago
Sounds terrible, but all the US medical resident physicians are playing the world’s tiniest violins for this article, because they keep worse hours, get paid less (like half to 60%), and if they mess up, someone dies or is maimed.<p>edit: downvoted for truth — witness the medical resident physician reply below confirming exactly what I observed. To clarify, I support raising the standards for all junior people and do not advocate abusive employment and training practices.
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audiometryover 3 years ago
McKinsey just sounds like another tournament -- 64 people start, puke blood, and and try to be the final survivor who becomes a partner and becomes hugely wealthy. The rest rinse away to other places over time. No different than working at Goldman Sachs, etc.<p>If you decide to enter a tournament, fine, but adjust your expectations accordingly. This author sounds naive and self-pitying.
theonlybutletover 3 years ago
So in reality they were earning $40 000 and just doing two jobs with hours like that.
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pyluaover 3 years ago
After being on pager duty at all hours plus working I sadly do not find her experience that different from the usual. That’s just the way it works these days .
mrlonglongover 3 years ago
Let me put this short and sweet, they&#x27;re over privileged and overpaid asshats.
euroderfover 3 years ago
&quot;Are you or are you not a professional ?&quot;
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dredmorbiusover 3 years ago
Time for a management consultants union, it seems.
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mxuribeover 3 years ago
Recently I learned of a quote attributed to Arthur C. Clarke (among other things, the science fiction writer and futurist): &quot;...the goal of the future is full unemployment, so we can play. That&#x27;s why we have to destroy the present politico-economic system...&quot; [0] So, if Mr. Clarke is to be believed, does that mean that organizations like McKinsey - and for that matter capitalism in general - represent old fashioned ways of thinking? Then, why do orgs like McKinsey get paid so much??? &#x2F;s<p>[0] = <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Arthur_C._Clarke#cite_ref-127" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Arthur_C._Clarke#cite_ref-127</a>
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unstatusthequoover 3 years ago
Welcome to consulting and working across time zones. Let’s not forget that in management consulting, dedication definitely pays off if you operate efficiently and consistently deliver results. It’s not a work&#x2F;life balance job, but it’s one with interesting challenges that does give a lot of flexibility even though demands can be high sometimes.
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