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Cooling system leak led to Victorian Big Battery fire

110 pointsby bjowenover 3 years ago

12 comments

aetherspawnover 3 years ago
&gt; &quot;A new battery module isolation loss alarm has been added.&quot;<p>This is the worst fault possible in an EV 101 scenario right here (touch metal -&gt; instant death), so I&#x27;m surprised that with all Tesla&#x27;s experience, they didn&#x27;t consider an isolation leak as a serious fault. And I&#x27;m surprised that they allow the battery monitoring system to be disabled during servicing, especially the IMD (insulation monitoring device).
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tomalphaover 3 years ago
An extract from the summary page suggests a few things went wrong, but it seems like the fire was caused by liquid and electricity mixing:<p>&gt; ESV found a Megapack cooling system leak caused a short circuit resulting in overheating that led to a fire in a nearby battery compartment, which consequently damaged two Megapacks.<p>&gt; There were further contributory factors with the Megapack in question being switched into an off-line service mode, resulting in the protection systems being inactive.<p>&gt; A 24-hour delay in connecting the batteries to the supervisory control and data acquisition (SCADA) system also meant there was no active monitoring of the Megapack alarms.
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dhsysusbsjsiover 3 years ago
Reading this it’s a classic systems failure: multiple defensive barriers gone wrong through poor safety planning. It’s reminiscent of the Victorian ESSO gas plant accident <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Esso_Longford_gas_explosion" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Esso_Longford_gas_explosion</a>
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RicoElectricoover 3 years ago
So, they&#x27;ll have to take note from their nuclear colleagues&#x27; playbook? About passive safety.
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walrus01over 3 years ago
for people who might say &#x27;oh, but these batteries are so dangerous!&#x27;<p>How many cooling system leaks (radiator+water pump related plumbing) result in vehicle engine fires per year?<p>I imagine the largest insurance companies have reasonably good data on this as a cause of total-loss of a vehicle.<p>How many times have you seen in person, or seen a photo of a burned out RV that somebody pushed too hard up a mountain pass without keeping an eye on the engine temperature?
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userbinatorover 3 years ago
From the title I first thought this would be about a battery fire that happened in the late 1800s.
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spockzover 3 years ago
&gt; There were further contributory factors with the Megapack in question being switched into an off-line service mode, resulting in the protection systems being inactive.<p>A short in an offline device? That seems weird.<p>&gt; A 24-hour delay in connecting the batteries to the supervisory control and data acquisition (SCADA) system also meant there was no active monitoring of the Megapack alarms.<p>So a new pack was installed and connected but not monitored? What is the rationale behind that? Failures shouldn’t happen to new devices?
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cube00over 3 years ago
<i>&gt; Shorter connection times to the SCADA system to help alert Tesla with specific alarms.</i><p>Interesting that even after installation Tesla are still involved in operationally managing the megapacks.
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william2021over 3 years ago
Short circuit that led to a fire in an electronic component
bsergeover 3 years ago
Should&#x27;ve used metal flanges instead of plastic heh
nraynaudover 3 years ago
how much would you ask to be paid to pressure test the coolant system of a giant bomb in situ?
baybal2over 3 years ago
One advantage of LFP batteries is that they can survive much higher temperatures without degradation.<p>If you can make battery packs air cooled, that&#x27;s a big, big weight saver.