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Rivian S-1

165 pointsby gadnukover 3 years ago

20 comments

inferenseover 3 years ago
7500 employees, raised $10.5B, filing for an IPO with a valuation that would place them as 6th most valuable car manufacturer - 0 vehicles sold.. this doesn’t seem right. Some would call this a scam, for some its a bubble, but it’s definitely out of any reasonable bounds of how the game should be played.
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slownews45over 3 years ago
Finally something that is not a straight scam (in my opinion).<p>I know folks are saying Trevor and Nikola Motors have some sort of ground breaking hydrogen tech - but some of these other folks, despite their market caps, seem like so much trash and hype.<p>Not sure these folks will turn out better, but at least there seems to be something of some substance here from folks with some experience.
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Max-20over 3 years ago
I invested this week in $GGPI&#x2F;Polestar, they are a swedish EV company that already delivered 20k cars. Valuation is $20b or 1&#x2F;4th of Rivian: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.datocms-assets.com&#x2F;11286&#x2F;1632735805-210927-polestar-investor-presentation-final.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.datocms-assets.com&#x2F;11286&#x2F;1632735805-210927-poles...</a>
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lemmingover 3 years ago
I don&#x27;t usually follow these things, but wouldn&#x27;t it be unusual for a company to go public before actually releasing a product?
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chrischenover 3 years ago
If you want to see a Rivian being used you can watch Long Way Up on Netflix with Ewan Mcgregor.
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bearcobraover 3 years ago
Several YouTubers got to participate in a press event recently, and I found many of their first impressions to be quiet interesting. I’m trying to talk my wife into letting me put in a pre-order
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epaover 3 years ago
$3B cash on hand and spending $1B per year. They will raise $5B runway.
rvzover 3 years ago
It&#x27;s getting a bit crowed in the EV market-space and some EV makers like Rivian need to do more than their competitors otherwise they will end up being yet another EV maker, which now is not enough.<p>The Amazon fleet partnership is very positive and several other deals in Europe too. However, Rivian just needs other ways to utilise its technology just like what NIO is currently doing in China.<p>If Rivian follows that path and avoids being just a generic EV maker, then its stock is a straight buy in my books but I would hold for now and see what the competitors (especially Lucid Motors) are also doing first in October.
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nbzsoover 3 years ago
I like this truck exterior design. If they &quot;grow up&quot; and remove touch based centrist UX (Thank you, Elon - you saved a lot of money and ruin decades of car UX) this will sell very good numbers in the EU.<p>Recently I moved out of the city towards rural life and this type of vehicle will give me all I need, including good cornering for fun (due to mix of air&#x2F;hydraulic suspension). Definitely looking forward to purchase (may be second gen) EV truck.<p>For the American market they will face serious competition from Ford and other truck manufacturers who have brand recognition and solid fan base.
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prescriptivistover 3 years ago
Scrolling through this I see a fair amount of references to subscription products as a long term growth strategy. HN sentiment seems pretty positive about Rivian so I&#x27;m curious what folks here feel about that aspect of their business?<p>In particular if one juxtaposes that strategy against what I perceive to be a general anti John Deere sentiment around here vis-a-vie subscriptions and their always-on products.
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TradingPlacesover 3 years ago
Most interesting tidbit:<p>We expect that a significant portion of our initial revenue will be from one customer that is an affiliate of one of our principal stockholders.<p>If we are unable to maintain this relationship, or if this customer purchases significantly fewer vehicles than we currently anticipate or none at all, our business, prospects, financial condition, results of operations and cash flows could be materially and adversely affected. To date, we have generated minimal revenue from the initial sales of our R1T vehicles and have not generated any revenue from the sales of our other vehicles. Our future success depends on us commencing commercial sales and attracting a large number of customers for our vehicles. In the near-term, however, we expect that a significant portion of our revenue will be from Amazon Logistics, Inc. (“Logistics”). Amazon is the parent company of both Logistics and Amazon.com NV Investment Holdings LLC (“NV Holdings”), which owns approximately % of our voting power as of , 2021. In February 2019, we entered into a commercial letter agreement with Amazon, and in September 2019, we entered into a related framework agreement with Logistics. We refer to these agreements, together with any work orders, purchase orders, related agreements and amendments thereunder or thereto, collectively, as the “EDV Agreement.” Under the EDV Agreement, we and Logistics have agreed to collaborate to design, develop, manufacture, and supply EDVs and&#x2F;or certain component parts and related services for use in Amazon’s last mile delivery operations. We also have agreed under the EDV Agreement that until the fourth anniversary of when Logistics first receives EDVs (the “Initial Delivery Date”), whether or not Logistics purchases any EDVs from us, we will exclusively provide last mile delivery vehicles to Amazon, and from the fourth anniversary to the sixth anniversary of the Initial Delivery Date, Amazon will have a right of first refusal to purchase last mile delivery vehicles that we produce. Under the EDV Agreement, Logistics has the right to decide how many EDVs to purchase, which may be fewer than expected, or delay the delivery of such purchases. Certain factors outside of our control may influence Logistics’ decision as to the number of EDVs to purchase from us and the timing of delivery, including Logistics’ ability to deploy a charging infrastructure across their delivery stations.
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purple_ferretover 3 years ago
Why go public with no revenue whatsoever? Unable to raise money privately?
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seattle_springover 3 years ago
Exciting. Definitely a company I believe in.
aabajianover 3 years ago
The stock market has always been a bit of a mystery to me. There is <i>no</i> requirement that company revenue be tied to a stock&#x27;s value. Rather, the stock for a given company is entirely based on human sentiment.<p>Person A buys stock S at time t0 because he thinks it will be more valuable to person B at time t1.<p>Person B buys stock S at time t1 because he thinks it will be more valuable to person C at time t2.<p>...and so on.<p>Buying a small-volume of stock in company X provides no tangible value. You aren&#x27;t getting a seat on the board with a few thousand dollars. Obviously, things like dividends and retirement tax-breaks have value, but I&#x27;m talking about pure speculative investing.<p>My question to the investors out there: Why should be there be a person C or D who buys the stock from you in the future? In the extreme case, you could buy stock X, and then <i>never find someone</i> to buy it from you.
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ryanburkover 3 years ago
is there a reason why a large % of the board turned over in the past ~year, leading in to an IPO?<p>&gt; Ms. Ford English was appointed to our board of directors in May 2020 and stepped down from our board of directors in May 2021.<p>&gt; Mr. Hinrichs stepped down from our board of directors in May 2020.<p>&gt; Mr. Jameel stepped down from our board of directors in July 2021.<p>&gt; Mr. Kaul stepped down from our board of directors in July 2021.<p>&gt; Mr. Sheriff stepped down from our board of directors in May 2021.
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mrgordonover 3 years ago
This is the last of the big three EV startups to go public. Lucid Motors (cars), Proterra (buses) and now Rivian (trucks). The valuation seems too high but they have a lot of momentum and enthusiasts behind them so I imagine there will be many buyers. I believe it will likely bring renewed focus on other EV makers especially Lucid who is somewhat in the same niche.
LinuxBenderover 3 years ago
I was talking to a UPS driver the other day about EV&#x27;s. They are very concerned about how these vehicles will perform in my neck of the woods. About a third of the year it is well below freezing here. As is the ICE UPS trucks have difficulty in the snow. The drivers are concerned that the problems will be compounded by cold batteries and having to charge them constantly given that Tesla&#x27;s don&#x27;t do well here at all and have to be charged often.<p>My concerns about this are entirely selfish of course. If I bought a bed locally it would have been about $3k. The same bed on Amazon was $700 <i>including mattress and frame.</i> I buy locally when it makes sense and what I want is available but sometimes it just doesn&#x27;t make sense. Amazon only uses UPS here.
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worldmergeover 3 years ago
Is there an rss feed out there to know when they go public on Fidelity?
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sydthrowawayover 3 years ago
Whats the correct strategy to buy? Buy after it pops?
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redconfettiover 3 years ago
How practical is an electric sports utility vehicle? I almost ran out of gas just going up into logging territory in northern California, I couldn&#x27;t imagine going in an electric vehicle with less range.
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