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Why California is shutting down its last nuclear plant

20 pointsby dcgudemanover 3 years ago

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throwawayseaover 3 years ago
“Stop Letting Your Ridiculous Fears Of Nuclear Waste Kill The Planet” <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;michaelshellenberger&#x2F;2018&#x2F;06&#x2F;19&#x2F;stop-letting-your-ridiculous-fears-of-nuclear-waste-kill-the-planet&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;michaelshellenberger&#x2F;2018&#x2F;06&#x2F;19...</a><p>&gt; By letting go of our nutty fears of nuclear waste we can save nuclear power. America’s nuclear waste fund — which is comprised of money paid into it by the operators of nuclear plants — still has $46 billion in it. It should be used to subsidize the continued operation of economically distressed nuclear plants, and subsidize the building of new ones.<p>&gt; If such a fund paid out five percent interest per year — an amount the IRS requires philanthropic foundations to give away annually — then $2.3 billion could flow to the distressed or new nuclear plants. That amount would be enough to keep uneconomical nuclear plants operating while creating an incentive to build new reactors.
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teslaboxover 3 years ago
The Duck Curve [0] is the enemy of grid reliability. Until the electric system figures out what to do with the useless energy generated in the middle of the day, we&#x27;ll be chained to natural gas plants for surge generation.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.energy.gov&#x2F;eere&#x2F;articles&#x2F;confronting-duck-curve-how-address-over-generation-solar-energy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.energy.gov&#x2F;eere&#x2F;articles&#x2F;confronting-duck-curve-...</a><p>Perhaps blowing bubbles in the ocean dead zones [1] would be a productive use of excess power? The bubblers would be turned on and off to bleed off extra electrons from the grid.<p>[1] <i>How big is the Ocean Dead Zone off the Coast of California?</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ui.adsabs.harvard.edu&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2010AGUFMOS33D1492H&#x2F;abstract" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ui.adsabs.harvard.edu&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2010AGUFMOS33D1492H&#x2F;abstra...</a><p>From the cnbc submission:<p>&gt; Finally, once the wheels are in motion to shut a nuclear plant down, it&#x27;s expensive and complicated process to reverse. &gt; &gt; Diablo was set on the path to be decommissioned in 2016 and will operate until 2025. Then, the fuel has to be removed from the site.<p>If the next two winters are excessively cold [2], a real leader might arise to tell the anti-nuclear activists, &#x27;you mean well, but we do actually need these thing for the next 20 years.&#x27; This leader would point out that the alternative is for all the Californians who are priced out of expensive electricity&#x2F;natural gas to use coal from the Navajo Nation&#x2F;etc to heat their homes [3].<p>[2] <i>South Pole posts most severe cold season on record (seattletimes.com)</i> (2021) - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28734308" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28734308</a><p>[3] <i>Coal Heating in the United States</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forgreenheat.blogspot.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;06&#x2F;trends-in-heating-with-coal-in-united.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forgreenheat.blogspot.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;06&#x2F;trends-in-heating-...</a>
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phone8675309over 3 years ago
Had a family member that worked at the plant for several years, and this article nails it - despite there being an energy shortage (enough) people don&#x27;t want nuclear power so it&#x27;s not profitable.<p>No for-profit company that wants to stay in business is going to produce something that its customers won&#x27;t buy.
senortumnusover 3 years ago
On one hand, the retirement of the prior generation of nuclear power plants opens the door for deployment of next-generation reactor designs. On the other, we are at real risk of losing the on-the-ground technical expertise required to run one. I think nuclear remains a valuable technology for power generation in a carbon-free manner, providing the steady production that can offer stability to back up the more volatile types such as wind and solar. Small footprint from a square-foot standpoint too. Should be an ongoing engineering project. Yes there are waste downsides but those are not insurmountable in the grand scheme of things.
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massysettover 3 years ago
Because all of California’s talk about slowing climate change is just that: unserious, cocktail-party talk.
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