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FCC plans to rein in “gateway” carriers that bring foreign robocalls to US

231 pointsby eysquaredover 3 years ago

22 comments

gregmacover 3 years ago
How many HN readers actually answer their phones anymore?<p>Personally, I pretty much never answer calls from unknown numbers, unless I am specifically expecting a call (eg: from a service company coming to the house, or calling back about an inquiry I made).<p>It&#x27;s really rare I even get a call from someone in my contact list - even for something &quot;urgent&quot; most people just send a text (&quot;call me - urgent!&quot; is <i>serious</i>). Anything for work is scheduled, and even then it&#x27;s been years since it was anything but zoom&#x2F;teams&#x2F;etc.<p>Part of this I think is a shift in the way people operate with technology: texting is faster and better than voicemail. Slack, zoom, etc dominate workplaces. Part is it&#x27;s been ruined by spam.<p>I don&#x27;t know if society as a whole is there yet, but I think it&#x27;s basically rude to expect you can just interrupt someone at any point and demand their direct attention to have a synchronous voice conversation with you. Had the PSTN not existed and you were to try to launch &quot;Telephone&quot; as an app today, it would almost certainly fail. &quot;You get a unique 10 digit number and if anyone types it in, it makes your device ring loudly, 24&#x2F;7, no matter what else you&#x27;re doing, and you&#x27;re instantly placed in a two-way audio call with them!&quot;
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morpheuskafkaover 3 years ago
&gt; &quot;apply STIR&#x2F;SHAKEN caller ID authentication to, and perform robocall mitigation on, all foreign-originated calls with US numbers,&quot;<p>This won&#x27;t affect anything that is actually a foreign number (which wouldn&#x27;t be used for robocalls anyway as people wouldn&#x27;t answer it, with the exception of some Caribbean countries that have three digit area codes instead of the typical +CC format). It will just block foreign phone companies from pretending to have US phone numbers, which seems like it should have been done long ago.
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belvalover 3 years ago
I find it astonishing that robocalls are still an issue in 2021, especially those coming from abroad. How can it be that hard to force authentication to use the phone network and permanently block malicious carriers?
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stefan_over 3 years ago
I love that since the invention of the telephone the FCC has tried to &quot;rein in&quot; robocalls and failed at every step. Is there a more inept government agency? How many years of failure has it been, has no one ever told them it goes on since carriers profit from it?<p>This is the agency that wants to regulate internet providers and they can&#x27;t fix robocalls. It&#x27;s an embarrassment, because we could use some of the former.
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jordemortover 3 years ago
My strategy with robocalls has been to answer every single one of them if I am able, get a person on the line, and then waste as much of their time as possible while being extremely weird. I&#x27;m down to one every week or two now. Everyone needs a hobby.
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Taniwhaover 3 years ago
We have an Asterisk exchange at home, it supports a US number and a NZ number - we get maybe one spam call a year from either number .....<p>Why? .... because the home exchange answers every call and asks for a 1 digit extension number - that&#x27;s enough to put off all those robo calls, the machines that call ahead for them treat this as an answering machine and move on.<p>Back when the kids were still at home everyone had a 1 digit extension (and VM box), calls would ring in kids&#x27; bedrooms and then in the common space, everyone had their own ring cadence - my daughter got 90% of the phone calls so I gave her the short ring, we never had to answer the phone for her
mmmeffover 3 years ago
But how will I continue to be notified of my expired car warranties?!
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webinvestover 3 years ago
These spammers often spoof the phone numbers of people with the same 3 digit prefix as you in hopes that you’ll be more likely to pick up. I even get calls from people saying they got a missed call from me when I never called them. People shouldn’t be able to spoof outgoing phone numbers. It’s messed up.
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adrrover 3 years ago
Just make the gateways liable for any spam calls that they originate. It works in the credit card industry by holding the processors accountable so they have to vet all the merchants.
i_like_apisover 3 years ago
For those that missed it there was a great article this morning that got smothered by the FB outage news:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28745121" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=28745121</a><p>About &quot;scambaiters&quot;; people who make entertainment out of scamming the scammers.
viraptorover 3 years ago
I find it weird that it&#x27;s STIR&#x2F;SHAKEN that&#x27;s constantly being mentioned. It won&#x27;t actually change anything apart from people getting a more accurate source displayed.<p>The part that actually changes something is this:<p>&gt; When the FCC notifies a gateway provider about an ongoing robocall campaign, the provider would have to [...] and &quot;promptly block all traffic associated with the traffic pattern identified in that notice.&quot;<p>That&#x27;s all that was needed for years. Make it the telco&#x27;s problem to either point the finger at the next peer responsible, or block their customer. We didn&#x27;t actually need the caller authentication for this - you can identify and flag calls without it. I&#x27;m happy this rule is coming, but I wish that was done earlier before the effort of fixing the callerid.
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avsteeleover 3 years ago
<i>Though STIR&#x2F;SHAKEN is now common on the IP networks of large phone companies, carriers with 100,000 or fewer customers still have until June 30, 2023, to deploy the technology.</i><p>So... the major carrier already have this, and its still making no difference? Is this rule going to fix the situation when applied to smaller entities or not?<p>The entire situation is such an utter failure of the FCC. Literally millions of people can no longer answer their phone, and its been this way for years.
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dathinabover 3 years ago
How does it come that while the US is swamped with robocalls in many other countries (e.g. Germany) this is not just not a problem, it&#x27;s complete unheard of.
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nkssyover 3 years ago
I answer and make calls on a frequent basis. People expect me to be able to do both. Its not actually weird or old fashioned.<p>That said, there are a few caveats.<p>Unknown callers? I&#x27;d better have an appointment with you at that time. Otherwise off to voicemail with you!<p>Junk calls? Spam calls? I&#x27;m on various lists. Some of thise lists have teeth. Others not so much. Either way, you&#x27;ll end up on <i>my list</i> and you&#x27;ll vanish from my future.
londons_exploreover 3 years ago
This action seems too late to save the public telephone network.<p>The usefulness of the network has already fallen below the threshold needed to be self sustaining for person to person communication, much like email has too.<p>Both are now used mostly for person to organisation communication, and that too will fade in the coming decade.
vmceptionover 3 years ago
I wish my phone or carrier would allow me to batch block phone numbers, and auto update with a shared list, just like I do with adblock. Although I understand that spammers can call with non-spammers numbers, I think that&#x27;s tolerable because I don&#x27;t know those people and likely never will!
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encryptluks2over 3 years ago
I&#x27;ll believe it when I see it. Seriously, just label robocallers terrorist already. Offer rewards to people willing to turn in the hedge honchos. Sanction the countries that refuse to prosecute them.
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alecthomasover 3 years ago
I&#x27;m surprised some enterprising lawyer hasn&#x27;t initiated a class action lawsuit against the telco&#x27;s on behalf of those who have been scammed as a result of their inaction.
nikanjover 3 years ago
I&#x27;d pay extra for my carrier to just flat out block all phone calls not originating from a major domestic operator.
dredmorbiusover 3 years ago
If PSTN (public-switched telephone networks, a&#x2F;k&#x2F;a direct-dialed general telephony) doesn&#x27;t get its act together <i>very</i> soon, my sense is that it will cease to be a viable communications channel simply because so many people will have abandoned it, and quite possibly sooner than anticipated. The disruption to general communications will be huge for people, businesses, governments, emergency providers, and others.<p>I&#x27;m not referring merely to landline phones, but <i>any</i> predominantly voice-based communications system in which any user anywhere can presume to reach any other person without some additional requirement.<p>I&#x27;ve asked this question a few times --- asking when people think PSTD might die, in 2, 4, 8, 16, or 32+ years. Results are of course nonscientific, though interesting, and have varied widely. (My pessimism isn&#x27;t especially widely shared.)<p>I did discover a while back though that telephone engineers share the same concern and for largely the same reasons:<p><i>[S]ince mid-2015, a consortium of engineers from phone carriers and others in the telecom industry have worked on a way to [stop call-spoofing], worried that spam phone calls could eventually endanger the whole system. “We’re getting to the point where nobody trusts the phone network,” says Jim McEachern, principal technologist at the Alliance for Telecommunications Industry Solutions (ATIS.) “When they stop trusting the phone network, they stop using it.”</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nymag.com&#x2F;intelligencer&#x2F;2018&#x2F;05&#x2F;how-to-stop-spam-robocalls-with-stir-shaken.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nymag.com&#x2F;intelligencer&#x2F;2018&#x2F;05&#x2F;how-to-stop-spam-rob...</a><p>When the telephone was first introduced, and as it expanded through the 1950s and 60s, it was, as Facebook in the aughts, an aspirational instrument. Truman beat Dewey, but pollsters, relying on wealthy- and Republican-skewed polling, got the race wrong. Service was expensive, <i>long distance</i> was <i>insanely</i> expensive. There was little automation, and if someone was calling, odds were quite good that <i>you</i> really wanted to talk to <i>them</i>.<p>What killed the phone is the same thing that killed email, Usenet, and is killing the Web: it got too cheap. Good for those with legitmate business, but unfortunately, a far larger improvement to those with illegitimate business. Penny-ante schemes become viable when launched at scale and from low-overhead locations.<p>A couple of instances of the poll (and discussions), here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.cloud&#x2F;@dredmorbius&#x2F;102357651020681668" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.cloud&#x2F;@dredmorbius&#x2F;102357651020681668</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;toot.cat&#x2F;@dredmorbius&#x2F;106869063626188801" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;toot.cat&#x2F;@dredmorbius&#x2F;106869063626188801</a><p>For anyone keeping tabs on my accuracy, I&#x27;d suggested on 17 July 2019 that death of PSTN telephony was &lt;5 years away. That&#x27;s looking somewhat overambitious from here.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20373645" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20373645</a>
Animatsover 3 years ago
They didn&#x27;t think of that for the first implementation round?
digitalpacmanover 3 years ago
fucking please