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The Nobel Prize in Physics 2021

239 pointsby harscoatover 3 years ago

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streamofdigitsover 3 years ago
Complex systems are a largely unexplored area of physics in that we don&#x27;t really have tools as powerful and generally applicable as the mathematical machinery developed to describe more &quot;fundamental&quot; physics. With the exception of near equilibrium phenomena of homogeneous systems like gases that can be described with 19th century statistical physics it is really hard to write down general laws or patterns.<p>The work of Parisi (and quite a few others) in the eighties (non-linear systems, chaos theory, attractors, universality of power laws etc) have given us a first glimpse of what lies beyond, but a true revolution is still in the future and will require some pretty mind-bending mathematical inventions.<p>Making serious progress is not just intellectually challenging, it is also of immense practical relevance for us understanding and moderating our impact on the biosphere. The Nobel committee, in their infinite wisdom, suggest as much.
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sanxiynover 3 years ago
I first learned about Manabe&#x27;s works from the wonderful &quot;The Discovery of Global Warming&quot; project. Looking at the Nobel prize citation, they seem to consider his work on climate sensitivity (2 degrees for doubled CO2, obtained in 1967) the most important, but I think his work on coupled model of atmosphere and ocean was equally important.<p>It is interesting to note his own view. On climate sensitivity calculation: &quot;it is not advisable to take too seriously&quot;. On coupled model: &quot;I am very proud of it&quot;.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;history.aip.org&#x2F;climate&#x2F;GCM.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;history.aip.org&#x2F;climate&#x2F;GCM.htm</a>
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tumblewitover 3 years ago
The most fascinating physics nobel prize for me in recent times was for gravitational wave detection using LIGO. I spent days learning and watching videos of the three of them. The ingenuity of the detector is fascinating and the fact that every year they simply got closer but ‘not there yet’ and the fact that it took more than two decades says that the goal was probably secondary but they enjoyed the journey far more. Of course they would have hoped to see the waves be detected in their lifetime but for Kip Thorne it was 50 years from the start. Most of the stories behind Nobel prize winners are mind boggling.
leephillipsover 3 years ago
These three propositions are all simultaneously true (in my opinion):<p>1) Every person who has ever received a Nobel Prize in physics has richly deserved it;<p>2) Culture and politics influence the awarding of the Prize;<p>3) Several people who did not get the Prize would have if they had not been women.<p>(3) is a corollary to (2). One example is Jocelyn Bell Burnell, who discovered pulsars. The Nobel Prize for that was awarded to two men.
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harscoatover 3 years ago
Summary Pr. John Wettlaufer <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Ezsbf42_RTA&amp;ab_channel=NobelPrize" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Ezsbf42_RTA&amp;ab_channel=Nobel...</a>
inasioover 3 years ago
Physicists developed a whole bunch of tools to find the base energy levels of spinglasses, which were repurposed in the past 10 years as general purpose solvers for NP hard combinatorial optimization problems (by converting them to QUBO format, which is equivalent to the Ising format in spinglasses). There are pros and cons to them, but it opened a whole new area in optimization, currently multiple companies are building custom hardware QUBO solvers (D-Wave, NTT, Fujitsu, Hitachi, ...)
bhu8over 3 years ago
Nice thread on Giorgio Parisi by Montanari: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;Andrea__M&#x2F;status&#x2F;1445405295811960841?s=20" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;Andrea__M&#x2F;status&#x2F;1445405295811960841?s=2...</a>
photochemsynover 3 years ago
Manabe (and a lot of other people!) really figured out the control dials on climate back in the 1970s The basic science on carbon dioxide and climate was settled by 1979, and ExxonMobil&#x27;s scientists agreed internally, as recent revelations demonstrate (1). Everything since has mostly been fine-tuning and improved resolution due to computational technology advances. There has been a huge political effort to discredit this science ever since, by the fossil fuel industry and affiliated interests, since they have huge finacial interests in maintaining the current energy supply system - so, the science got politicized.<p>Let&#x27;s take a look at the general concept though, from Manabe et al.&#x27;s 1975 paper (2):<p>&gt; &quot;The atmospheric part of the model incorporates the primitive equations of motion in a spherical coordinate system. The numerical problems associated with the treatment of mountains are minimized by using the “sigma” coordinate system in which pressure, normalized by surface pressure, is the vertical coordinate. For vertical finite differencing, nine levels are chosen so as to represent the planetary boundary layer and the stratosphere as well as the troposphere. For horizontal finite differencing, the regular latitude-longitude grid is used. To prevent linear computational instability in the time integration, Fourier filtering is applied in the longitudinal direction to all prognostic variables in higher latitudes such that the effective grid size of the model is approximately 500 km everywhere.&quot;<p>So, let&#x27;s note that this general approach is applicable to planets like Mars and Venus as well as Earth. There is no ocean on those planets, however, but the atmospheric radiative-convection model approach is identical. Mars has something like 1% of Earth&#x27;s surface pressure, Venus has 90X that pressure, but the same approach works. It&#x27;s even applied to the gas giants. Note that 9 layers in the model is quite simple relative to modern models.<p>&gt; &quot;For the computation of radiative transfer, the distribution of water vapor, which is determined by the prognostic system of water vapor, is used. However, the distributions of carbon dioxide, ozone and cloudiness are prescribed as a function of latitude and height and assumed to be constant with time. The temperature of the ground surface is determined such that it satisfies the condition of heat balance.&quot;<p>Here&#x27;s another key point - water vapor is modeled as a feedback, CO2 is modeled as a forcing. About 2&#x2F;3 of radiative forcing in the atmosphere is due to water vapor, but that water vapor increases due to CO2 forcing (which has greatest effect higher in the atmosphere, closing windows that would allow IR to escape to space). This was verified by the Pinatubo explosion incidentally, in which predictions about water vapor feedback were highly accurate (3).<p>&gt; &quot;The prognostic system of water vapor includes the contribution of three-dimensional advection of water vapor and condensation in case of supersaturation. To simulate moist convection, a highly idealized procedure of moist convective adjustment is introduced. The prediction of soil moisture and snow depth is based upon the budget of water, snow and heat. Snow cover and sea ice are assumed to have much larger albedos than soil surface or open sea, and have a very significant effect upon the heat balance of the surface of the model.&quot;<p>So, that&#x27;s the albedo effect, and as the poles melt albedo drops and you get more warming. You also get polewards heat transfer. Thus these scientists predicted warming at poles would be much faster than warming at equator, and that&#x27;s been proven as well. Cloud feedbacks introduce a certain degree of variability, but definitely don&#x27;t change the overall conclusions (see MIT&#x27;s Richard Lindzen for that worn-out fossil-hyped argument if you like).<p>Now, I&#x27;ll stop here but note that Manabe&#x27;s other great contribution was linking the atmospheric model to the rather more difficult ocean circulation model. This allowed quantification of the lag effect, i.e. ocean warming absorbs a great % of the atmospheric forcing but warmer oceans warm the atmosphere and so on.<p>Incidentally, none of this would be at all controversial if human civilization had exhausted global fossil fuel reserves by 1980 and renewable adoption had been forced by necessity.<p>It&#x27;s rather interesting though - science was once completely accepted by industry, but then scientific advances began undermining business profits - the discovery of industrial carcinogens, the discovery of fossil-fueled global warming, etc. really changed the dynamic and accurate science became as much of a threat to established interests as it was a boon.<p>[edit sources]: 1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.climatefiles.com&#x2F;exxonmobil&#x2F;1978-exxon-memo-on-greenhouse-effect-for-exxon-corporation-management-committee&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.climatefiles.com&#x2F;exxonmobil&#x2F;1978-exxon-memo-on-g...</a><p>2. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;journals.ametsoc.org&#x2F;view&#x2F;journals&#x2F;phoc&#x2F;5&#x2F;1&#x2F;1520-0485_1975_005_0003_agoacm_2_0_co_2.xml" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;journals.ametsoc.org&#x2F;view&#x2F;journals&#x2F;phoc&#x2F;5&#x2F;1&#x2F;1520-048...</a><p>3. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.science.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;10.1126&#x2F;science.296.5568.727" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.science.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;10.1126&#x2F;science.296.5568.727</a>
dav_Ozover 3 years ago
As with the NP for Med&#x2F;Physio it is unfortunate that the trope of &quot;saving the planet&quot; has such a vile revival. And if I&#x27;m not for the one team I&#x27;m for the other.<p>Irrespective of that this years NP in Physics is an achknowledgment of a &quot;young&quot; (in terms of NPs) but promising field.<p>For anyone interested, I found this podcast very informative:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.preposterousuniverse.com&#x2F;podcast&#x2F;2020&#x2F;08&#x2F;17&#x2F;110-neil-johnson-on-complexity-conflict-and-infodemiology&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.preposterousuniverse.com&#x2F;podcast&#x2F;2020&#x2F;08&#x2F;17&#x2F;110-...</a>
spodekover 3 years ago
The climate and environment are critically important, as everyone knows from daily front page disasters that will increase.<p>I have a PhD in physics and have made sustainability my mission. I wish I didn&#x27;t have to as fixing problems past generations stuck us with isn&#x27;t my first passion, but I can&#x27;t change the past.<p>As important as the science was to get us here, we have to move to the next stage, which is leadership. I don&#x27;t mean just passing laws. Even prior to our twin problems of overconsumption and overpopulation, the damage we&#x27;re suffering is the physical manifestation of our values, especially material growth, extraction, efficiency, externalizing costs, and comfort and convenience. Technology, innovation, laws, and markets augment those values. As long as we hold them as a culture and individuals, we will innovate technologies, laws, and markets that exacerbate the problem.<p>I will always support more research and value these scientists&#x27; work that enabled us to get past the science to restoring our values of stewardship: personal growth, enjoying what we have, humility to nature, resilience, responsibility for how our behavior affects others, meaning, purpose, and the satisfaction of a job well done. With those values, we will innovate solutions that increase Earth&#x27;s ability to sustain life.<p>Again, as important as the science is, we must restore our personal and cultural values to solve the problems science revealed. That&#x27;s leadership and teamwork. We can all act immediately. Since systemic change begins with personal transformation, the fastest, most effective way to change governments and corporations is to act here and now, learn from the experience, act more, and lead others to join.
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cftover 3 years ago
It&#x27;s encouraging to see that the second part to Parisi (completely unrelated to the first) is still non-political.
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doctobogganover 3 years ago
Can anyone with more insight into the three researchers explain if this is a political statement or if their work really represents the best physics research? I am genuinely asking as I don&#x27;t know much about their research.
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sydthrowawayover 3 years ago
Psychohistory by Hari Seldon
dandanuaover 3 years ago
It&#x27;s not politically motivated, it&#x27;s &quot;existentially&quot; motivated.<p>Especially when world leaders ridicule the problem and dismantle efforts to fight it [1].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-us-canada-51213003" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-us-canada-51213003</a>
spoonjimover 3 years ago
These are worthy winners of the Nobel Prize, but it also seems like we’re starting to see the science Nobels enter the Culture War.
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tediousdemiseover 3 years ago
Two of these awards seem like virtue signaling for climate change and global warming, topics which exploded in media and politics this year.<p>I personally believe that global warming and climate change are the most pressing issues facing humanity, but I oppose the politicization of prestigious award platforms. It&#x27;s simultaneously obnoxious and unfair to the other candidates.<p>We see the same thing happen in racially-charged atmospheres for artistic awards.