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Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

555 pointsby nipponeseover 3 years ago

73 comments

realceover 3 years ago
I raised over 400k for Andrew&#x27;s POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run.<p>The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac&#x27;s name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out of a job, and then did basically nothing with the organization.<p>I&#x27;ve given so much time to this person it&#x27;s insane. He&#x27;s not trustworthy, he&#x27;s a horrible manager of people, and he never pays off on what he promises. Just dip your toes into YangGang social media and see how his former fans act now, or the stories of abuse within the campaigns that Andrew hardly acknowledged.<p>Inspiring message, but I&#x27;ve been close enough to the sausage factory to know it&#x27;s fluff.<p>Beware. If you are interested in this endevour do the best you can to build your own power base, do no rely on Andrew&#x27;s circle to help you in any way other than a retweet.
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netcanover 3 years ago
What&#x27;s missing here, IMO, is a <i>party.</i> Who&#x27;s with him? Do you have defectors from the 2 parties? Independents or popular figures joining up? Candidates being stood?<p>A political party is not a manifesto, it&#x27;s an organisation.<p>I actually think there&#x27;s room for a party to start gaining ground in the US. There are so many elected offices that the surface area is huge. Great for &quot;guerilla tactics.&quot; IE, earning easy victories by picking the battle..<p>Maybe your pick a thousand low key positions, and work on them. Standing a thousand candidates with success, even if the offices are minor, makes you a full fledged party by default.<p>Uncompetitive regional strongholds, are another opportunity. You could split the large party&#x27;s vote and earn immediate relevance. You could even split the small party&#x27;s vote and try to steal 2nd place. That might make you one half of a dichotomy the next time. You could run candidates in republican or democratic primaries. The primary electoral system is diverse, so you can choose to do this where it has a chance.<p>So, where&#x27;s the party? Who&#x27;s running? Where&#x2F;what? Who else is involved?<p>A political manifesto is OK, I guess. A party manifesto... that would be a lot more interesting. What are you planning to do?
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Kartoover 3 years ago
The top line, &quot;Not Left. Not Right. Forward.&quot; kind of reminds me of Macron&#x27;s &quot;En Marche&quot; (&quot;Let&#x27;s Go&quot;) that took over France in a storm, taking over the presidency AND the parliament only one year after its foundation, with very few previously known political figures in its ranks.<p>The whole thing looked like doing management rather than politics, and offered an alternative to fed-up voters who didn&#x27;t dare turn to the usual far-right and far-left &quot;protest votes&quot;.<p>Headed with a nimble tactical vision, the formula was extremely efficient... for one mandate.
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Barrin92over 3 years ago
Not exactly sure what to make of this, conceptually it just sounds like 90s era Clintonite&#x2F;Thatcherite consensus with some ranked voting and other stuff thrown in. The reason why the US is polarized (and most other places to a slightly lesser degree) is because that quadrant of the political spectrum is dead[1], and people have overall grown tired of this liberal (in a broad sense of the term) anti-politics which aims to disguise managerialism and technocratic government as &#x27;non-ideological&#x27;.<p>[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;DyE_4e9V4AAW0od.jpg:large" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbs.twimg.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;DyE_4e9V4AAW0od.jpg:large</a>
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jagrswover 3 years ago
&quot;.. because our founding fathers ..&quot;<p>It&#x27;s interesting to see that all sides of political dispute in US, even parties (like this one) which want to cater to the seemingly more rational and less emotional part of the populace use the argument of &quot;the founding fathers wanted it this way, so... that must be the correct way of doing things forever&quot;.
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digbybkover 3 years ago
I was excited about Yang’s candidacy in the NYC mayoral election, but it didn’t take very long to see that he was out of his depth. In the end, he didn’t even rank in my top 5 (NYC has ranked choice now). Why does he keep running for top positions? He clearly doesn’t have a record of success as an executive, either in private or public sectors. He seems like a nice guy. If he wants to get into politics, why not start as a city councilor or something?
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aazaaover 3 years ago
The Platform page lists a selection of positions that I think would not be very controversial.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forwardparty.com&#x2F;platform" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forwardparty.com&#x2F;platform</a><p>Surprisingly, the issue that Yang is known for, UBI, is not on the list.<p>UBI is, however, present here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forwardparty.com&#x2F;whyforward" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forwardparty.com&#x2F;whyforward</a><p>I wonder if that was accidental.
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FFRefreshover 3 years ago
I&#x27;ll admit some degree of ignorance on all of the considerations with introducing a new party. But on a surface-level, I welcome more competition for ideas&#x2F;platforms&#x2F;parties in the American political system.<p>My naive fantasy would be that an increased number of viable parties would have a knock-on effect of reducing polarization&#x2F;tribalization in American political discourse, and hopefully spur bottoms up thinking on good policy. If there were 6 parties for instance, it would hopefully force voters out of the &#x27;good party vs bad party&#x27; or &#x27;us vs them&#x27; dynamics that a 2 party system invites.<p>Political allegiance is a social signal today, and there are pressures to not question the party your social group votes for lest you be confused to be a bad person of the other side. This doesn&#x27;t invite holding government accountable when it&#x27;s your side doing the questionable things.
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carlosdpover 3 years ago
I feel like a lot of people take it as obvious that ranked-choice is just better. I have an alternate take:<p>We just went through a simple first-past-the-post election in the US that a significant percentage of voters believe was rigged. This is the simplest system imaginable, the data is easily available to verify it was not rigged.<p>Do we really think the average american will be able to grok how ranked-choice voting works? Imagine for a moment the reaction from people when their candidate appears to be &quot;winning&quot; and then ends up 3rd after the &quot;recalculation.&quot;<p>I feel like the first priority of a voting system needs to be transparency and being easy to understand, RCV isn&#x27;t that. Maybe works well on small scale, I highly doubt it&#x27;s a good idea nationally.
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ameetgaitondeover 3 years ago
Edit: I was wrong, he&#x27;s doing exactly what I thought he wasn&#x27;t. See Hannibalhorn&#x27;s comment below for more details.<p>I&#x27;m glad he supports Ranked-Choice Voting (RCV), but I think he&#x27;s going about this the wrong way.<p>Right now, he&#x27;s creating a new third-party within an electoral system that effectively defaults to two existing and dominant parties. Those two parties currently control every federal and state legislature and&#x2F;or election committee that has the power to alter how elections are run.<p>Working against them, in a system that is extremely hostile to third-parties, makes it very hard to effect change because you are almost always guaranteed to be a loser, and be viewed as an opponent.<p>If his interests are truly about implementing RCV nationwide, a better course of action would be to endorse and campaign for the Democratic and Republican candidates that are willing to commit to implementing RCV.<p>In any state where you can get a filibuster-proof majority of those candidates elected, you would have a much better chance of changing the electoral system.<p>Simply put, lobbying for RCV would be more effective than introducing a third-party within our current electoral system.
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rayinerover 3 years ago
I love “grace and tolerance” as a core principle. One of the things I used to respect about Americans is their ability to deal with the reality of the world as it is, including having an aloofness from politics. It wasn’t like Bangladesh where the losing party calls for violent strikes after every election. That confidence has been totally shaken over the last five years. Our mentality is becoming like that of a third world country.
jcfreiover 3 years ago
As long as the first-past-the-post voting system is used in the US such movements will go nowhere. Unsurprisingly ranked-choice voting is mentioned as their first core value.
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TimTheTinkerover 3 years ago
To me, it seems our current system has us stuck in a prisoner&#x27;s dilemma of sorts.<p>Each side has a large base of constituents who don&#x27;t love their own party but feel it&#x27;s a non-negotiable to keep the <i>other</i> major party out of power as much as possible.<p>For example, I dislike both sides, but there&#x27;s one party I dislike more than the other, so I vote in such a way to keep that party out... which ends up supporting a party that a lot of people hate. If you&#x27;re in the US, it&#x27;s likely you can relate.
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mullingitoverover 3 years ago
Big time fail not making cannabis legalization a top-line plank in their platform.<p>It&#x27;s overwhelmingly popular, and because this party (like every third party) is doomed to be a spoiler at best, they could attract enough voters with cannabis legalization to perform (optimistically) in the high single digits instead of the high fractions of a digit. High single digits is enough to swing elections, which is enough to force the major parties to adopt the popular elements of your platform.
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endisneighover 3 years ago
One thing people misunderstand about third parties is that they don&#x27;t need to win. If they&#x27;re structured correctly (this is by far the most difficult bit), they can have significant political influence without ever winning a single election.<p>For example, love him or hate him, Ralph Nader probably swayed the 2000 Election and had incredible influence over the outcome (for better or worse).<p>Coming back to the Forward Party - what I&#x27;d personally want is some minor third party that has a series of <i>very</i> modest goals to complete each year. If this party can complete said goals in a grassroot manner in succession every year I believe they&#x27;d eventually be a dominant (third party) player.<p>I think third parties should focus on minor results and less on rhetoric. Unfortunately this is very difficult to do in modern American politics. Oh well.
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troydavisover 3 years ago
For folks asking why Approval Voting (vote for as many candidates as you want) is more representative than RCV&#x2F;IRV, here&#x27;s 2 starting points:<p>* Voter Satisfaction Efficiency: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;electionscience.github.io&#x2F;vse-sim&#x2F;VSEbasic&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;electionscience.github.io&#x2F;vse-sim&#x2F;VSEbasic&#x2F;</a><p>* Ka-Ping Yee showing how voters&#x27; preferences would translate to ballots, then how different election methods picks winners from those ballots: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=7btAd1HYvjU&amp;t=1329" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=7btAd1HYvjU&amp;t=1329</a> (watch about 10 minutes).
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seancolemanover 3 years ago
I really wish they went with a logo that was a bit more different than that of a literal trash company (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.republicservices.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.republicservices.com</a>)
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rectangover 3 years ago
My immediate thought: no third party can succeed in the US first-past-the-post voting system. Then I visit the website, and the most prominent policy preference advertised is Ranked Choice voting.<p>OK, you&#x27;ve passed the first test!
heavyset_goover 3 years ago
I can&#x27;t support a politician or party that doesn&#x27;t make healthcare a major tenet of their platform. The US is the only first world nation without universal healthcare, and it pays more than those nations for worse results[1][2].<p>Also, it&#x27;s interesting that the &quot;Democracy Dollars&quot; page[3] identifies a real problem, but then does nothing to actually address the core of the issue. Doing something about <i>Citizens United</i> would, though[4].<p>From[3]:<p>&gt; <i>Legislation and policy don’t reflect the will of the people because our voices have been flooded out by wealthy donors, corporate lobbyists, and special interest groups flooding the system with their money.</i><p>&gt; *The rich thus have outsized influence, and they have very different priorities than the rest of us. Generally, the wealthy are more conservative, respect current authority, and encourage a less radical or rapid approach to change. Candidates and politicians quickly become subject to the donor class.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.healthsystemtracker.org&#x2F;chart-collection&#x2F;quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries&#x2F;#item-healthcare-quality-and-access-haq-index-rating-2016" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.healthsystemtracker.org&#x2F;chart-collection&#x2F;quality...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.healthsystemtracker.org&#x2F;chart-collection&#x2F;u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries&#x2F;#item-practicing-physicians-density-per-1000-population-2018" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.healthsystemtracker.org&#x2F;chart-collection&#x2F;u-s-hea...</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forwardparty.com&#x2F;democracy-dollars" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forwardparty.com&#x2F;democracy-dollars</a><p>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Campaign_finance_reform_amendment#Democracy_For_All_Amendment" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Campaign_finance_reform_amendm...</a>
dadogeover 3 years ago
This guy just wanted to make a buck…this was announced the same day his book called Forward came out.<p>No one will be paying attention to this in a year. New political don’t start from 1 person who has not held office and failed twice to win an election.
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socrates1998over 3 years ago
There is a lot going on with this guy. He says a lot of the &quot;right&quot; things and it&#x27;s pretty clear he has a point with our system being really messed up. The problem with founding a new party is that it has to have a base that is based on something organic and I don&#x27;t think this guy realizes that.<p>At best, he can only hope for a party base derived from his personality, which is lacking. Other than that, I don&#x27;t see any demographic group that he can consider his core group of supporters.<p>At the very least, it will make people think about the current system and how to change it.
torginusover 3 years ago
Does the 3rd party make sense in the US election system? My impression was that 3rd parties are unhelpful, since they steal voters from ideologically similar parties, thus helping the opposition.
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mperhamover 3 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forwardparty.com&#x2F;platform" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forwardparty.com&#x2F;platform</a><p>He&#x27;s not wrong; voting reform must be priority #1 for any 3rd party.
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motohagiographyover 3 years ago
Why start a party instead of creating a caucus within an existing one? No new party has prevailed in the US in centuries, and rarely elsewhere. It doesn&#x27;t seem to be a solution in the domain of problems it&#x27;s trying to solve.<p>I get the business side of politics is to represent people and their interests in the democratic process in exchange for financial support, but forking a party to do it may give you more direct access to those funds for efforts instead of having them filtered and allocated by the mainstream party, but at that point, you might as well just be another lobbyist group.<p>I could just start The Billionaires Party, whose goal is to ensure the interests of a few thousand people were represented in the democratic process, and if I could blackmail enough members of other parties, billionaires wouldn&#x27;t be able to afford <i>not</i> to give donations to support my party. But if I wanted to do that, I wouldn&#x27;t start a party, I would run a lobby group, or as above, organize a caucus of the establishment party members I could bend or compromise.<p>A party has constraints and restrictions, where a lobby group does not have the same ones, and if you want the benefits of party membership like electability, you give up some of the freedoms of lobbying. Reality is, politics isn&#x27;t about fixing problems, it&#x27;s about winning and having your interests prevail, and becoming the people who manage and extract value from problems, not solving them. To adapt a proverb, government isn&#x27;t in the business of teaching men to fish, it&#x27;s there to keep him coming back to be fed for a day in exchange for his continued compliance.<p>Of the options available, starting a new party seems so un-strategic as to be a fast filter to find suckers, like spelling mistakes in spam emails, where if people don&#x27;t see those, they&#x27;re likely vulnerable to being taken in. Forking a new party seems like a way to do that same thing.<p>That said, by splitting the vote in key areas, he can become a policy kingmaker, as is common with minority governments in the parliamentary system, and that&#x27;s certainly a play, but it essentially reduces strategically to taking hostages to get policy concessions during an election cycle, which does work, but usually only once, and anything that requires follow through after his leverage is gone is going to be dropped and never touched by any party again. A new party is not the recipe for change.
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runakoover 3 years ago
A person who has never won an election (or even received 15% of votes cast) believes himself the appropriate vessel to dictate the political direction of a nation. Is this persistence or arrogance?<p>Admire the chutzpah, seriously wonder why he isn&#x27;t using his talents somewhere he might be successful at fixing any of the problems he identifies.
synergy20over 3 years ago
Per Asian&#x27;s traditional culture it&#x27;s on the conservative side(hard working to earn your life, minimal welfare&#x2F;food-stamp, family value, education first, law and order,etc), so yeah for the most part they&#x27;re republican in heart.<p>As minorities many of them(including Andrew Yang) chose to stand with other minorities fought for &#x27;social justice &#x2F; equity everything&#x27;(welcome to the liberal democratic party!), which for the most part, it means the opposite of their culture and core value.<p>It&#x27;s hard to imagine hard-working mindset can get along with welfare&#x2F;equity thoughts for too long.<p>Thus the 3rd party, as he can&#x27;t really fit into each side.
Marazanover 3 years ago
It is still astonishing to me that Yang was the betting favourite for NYC Mayor at one point.<p>I completely missed it at the time which is infuriating as a betting opportunity like that to lay him is a once a year occurrence at best.
andreykover 3 years ago
Seems cool, their platform has a lot of good elements given the party&#x27;s main aim (&quot;the current two-party duopoly is not working&quot;) . It does have some sort of minor points that seem less worth highlighting (eg &quot;Department Of Technology&quot; which is just a beuracratic revision), but many of the ideas like ranked choice voting, term limits, democracy dollars, etc. are very nice. Might well support this party...<p>It does seem to have much more to do with organizations like FairVote rather than actual political parties, and I suspect the former is the right approach.
bloafover 3 years ago
I feel like now is the best time to make a 3rd party.<p>Non-loony-tunes republican voters held their noses and voted D against Trump. Progressive D are frustrated because they&#x27;re not getting so much as a fig leaf after supporting the establishment candidate.<p>Basically: the Democratic party tent is currently busting at the seams. It seems possible that the corporate-centrist Dems and Republicans unite under the Dems flag, leaving all the non-Q populists without a sane party to represent them.<p>I don&#x27;t think his chances are good, but the iron is as hot as it has ever been.
justin66over 3 years ago
Could someone familiar with election law comment on what Yang gets to do with all the money he raises with this PAC if this effort to be recognized as a political party doesn&#x27;t succeed, or for that matter, in the meantime until it does?<p>&gt; The Forward Party is a PAC that plans to grow its support and then petition the FEC for recognition as a political party when we fulfill the requirements, which include operating in several states, supporting candidates, getting volunteers signed up around the country, and other party activities.
wonderwonderover 3 years ago
If they put forward any form of a viable candidate that I am not 100% opposed to they will get my vote. The current 2 party system that elevates the extreme of each party has to go.
js2over 3 years ago
Yang was recently interviewed by Kara Swisher about this. She&#x27;s a somewhat adversarial host but he had answers for everything.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;09&#x2F;30&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;andrew-yang.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;09&#x2F;30&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;andrew-yang.html</a>
jiscariotover 3 years ago
I&#x27;ve always looked at Yang as &quot;typical mind fallacy&quot; in action. Coming from SV culture, he assumes if you give everyone 10k&#x2F;year, we all create startups, learn violin or a second language, volunteer in their communities, etc.<p>Policies that may work for a small, highly-motivated segment of our country do not necessarily scale.
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dqpbover 3 years ago
We don&#x27;t need a new thought leader. We need a platform for decentralized decision making.
Taylor_ODover 3 years ago
I&#x27;m not a huge Yang fan but any viable third party would be welcomed. Much of the political deadlock and stagnation of the US comes from there being two parties that both try to appeal to the largest groups of people possible.
jimmygrapesover 3 years ago
Needs to research his positions and messaging a little better.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Third_Position" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Third_Position</a>
nielsbotover 3 years ago
The Democracy Dollars plank doesn&#x27;t say it will eliminate money in politics, so I don&#x27;t think it goes far enough.<p>Love the plank on eliminating the revolving door however. We really need that. (cf. Sinema)
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ydnaclementineover 3 years ago
I thought the grab cursor hand over the image was intentional (like the raise hands emoji, grab the future or something), but it&#x27;s a single img in a .slideshow-list
rzwitserlootover 3 years ago
America, especially at this time, strikes me as rather very focussed on &#x27;winning&#x27;. They&#x27;re also extremely used (in that it&#x27;s been that way for almost the entire existence of the country) to a 2-party getup. (That desire to win would strongly indicate that voters want to vote for a winning party and are thus unwilling to go out on a limb and vote for a long shot like this; it will be reflected in the polls which further highlights that the party can&#x27;t win, and thus, it&#x27;s a self-fulfilling prophecy).<p>Thus, unless I&#x27;m really missing something, this party can&#x27;t actually win anything and will just siphon off a few votes. I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s particularly easy to determine which party gets more votes &#x27;siphoned out&#x27;, but any effect on actual winners of elections that this party might have is focussed solely around:<p>[A] if it siphons significantly more votes off of one party vs. the other, and<p>[B] if either major party is afraid of getting the short end of the stick in the above, and will slightly change their platform (or at least their message) in order to prevent it from happening.<p>I can see an argument that engendering change in politics can be done even if you stand no chance of winning by changing the focus of public discourse, but given the polarized nature of the US, shouldn&#x27;t you first, I dunno, start a party that tries to fix elections e.g. by applying the ranked voting system as used for e.g. New York majoral elections, or Maine&#x27;s governor, to presidential elections?<p>Until then whatever message Yang cares to put out there will just be drowned out by the masses eager to just paint them as an insiduous tool of the opposition, where all they will accomplish is to siphon votes off of the party that they are most similar to (probably the democratic party at this point in time). Thus, giving Yang and whomever likes his points the opposite effect: A vote for Yang is actually like half a vote in favour of the party you&#x27;d least want to govern.<p>Even if you think that&#x27;s an acceptable sacrifice on the road to a new party &#x2F; a change in politics, it&#x27;s not going to work simply because the news will obviously paint this new party as utterly irrelevant except in regards to which party it siphons more votes off of. Nobody will even be talking about what this party stands for.<p>Am I missing something, or is it all just doomed, in that such a party can neither win, nor meaningfully influence the topic?<p>Maybe Ross Perot had the right idea by tossing down a giant bag of cash to air very long ads that explained his idea to the populace. That way, his take on things was at least part of public discourse (regardless of how you feel about said ideas).
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bohover 3 years ago
I&#x27;m over Yang at this point. His candidacy for NY mayor went really poorly and illustrated his ignorance of anything outside of his headline policies.
Program_Installover 3 years ago
Something like this comes along every so often, hot to trot in its genesis. Typically, experiences it’s exodus, when folks fall back in line.
southerntofuover 3 years ago
So their program is focused on managerialism and &quot;progress&quot;. I could not see a single line on the homepage about ecology and how industrial capitalism is threatening to destroy our entire planet.<p>But there&#x27;s arguments for easier taxes and blockchain technology. WHO CARES IF WE&#x27;RE ALL GOING TO DIE?!<p>There&#x27;s &quot;basic income&quot; mentioned but nothing else about social justice and redistribution of the massive wealth the oligarchs have amassed by exploiting working people.<p>There&#x27;s talks of limiting congress mandates in time, so that means their program does not plan to abolish elections to create a true democracy where people decide directly without corrupt overlords.<p>Nothing interesting to see in this program, but the great leader&#x27;s photo splattered across the homepage: this sounds like any other capitalist party with empty promises that will be betrayed the second they seize power, because the problem is not with the people in power but with the *structures* of power that enable abuse in the first place.<p>Personally, what i&#x27;d vote for a party who would propose:<p>- self-organized public services: no government, no managers, just the workers and the users uniting to provide optimal service (transport, healthcare, education..)<p>- abolition of borders and national ID cards: no more &quot;illegals&quot; because everybody has a right to live and travel, no more immigrants being exploited by greedy bosses treating them like slaves<p>- immediate redistribution of wealth: all debt is abolished, and every resident is given property rights of where they currently reside ; all homeless people are housed and given property titles (there&#x27;s currently several empty dwellings per homeless person)<p>- immediate redistribution of political power: the government and parliaments are dismantled, the highest authority is the local Commune (direct democracy) which can organize with other communes through horizontal consent<p>- green revolution: acknowledge that there is no clean energy&#x2F;resource, and aim to reduce resource usage by making lifetime warranties mandatory on most products (no planned obsolescence) and organizing public life for energy efficiency (mutualization of infrastructure)<p>My personal wishlist would be way longer, but that&#x27;s the absolute minimum if you&#x27;d like me to vote &quot;for you&quot; (for us all!). That would be &quot;Forward&quot; politics. This &quot;Forward&quot; party looks very &quot;Backward&quot; to me.
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mattowen_ukover 3 years ago
Am I misinformed? As non American, I was under the impression that there could only be two parties, and everyone else had to be independent?
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cabalamatover 3 years ago
I&#x27;m surprised the Forward party &#x2F; Yang&#x27;s platform doesn&#x27;t include UBI, as that is the main thing he&#x27;s known for.
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Aeolunover 3 years ago
&gt; Fact-Based Governance. Legislation should be judged on outcomes, not ideologies<p>But, you’ve already excluded half of your potential voters.
arminiusreturnsover 3 years ago
The peoples party is the third party we need. Its not perfect, but its certainly better than Yangs... whatever his schtick is.
peter_retiefover 3 years ago
The US political system is broken, that much is true, Yang says the right words but can make any headway I wonder.
standardUserover 3 years ago
Will Yang succeed where Teddy Roosevelt failed? Somehow I doubt it. But I do wonder what motivates this kind of endeavor. I can&#x27;t for second believe that a never-elected, fourth place mayoral candidate who didn&#x27;t win a single delegate running for president actually thinks he can forge a competitive party amidst the world&#x27;s most famously rigid two-party system.<p>So what&#x27;s the real motivation?
joshuaellingerover 3 years ago
I&#x27;m surprised nobody mentioned good old H. Ross Perot, the Texas billionaire who made Bill Clinton president in 1992. (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ross_Perot" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ross_Perot</a>)<p>Perot peeled off enough libertarian voters from the Republicans to enable a Democratic victory. It odd looking back at him. He was not a proto-Trump exactly but he ran against the NAFTA free trade agreement in a way that looks a lot like how Trump ran against shipping all heavy industry to China.<p>My first reaction was that Yang is going to splinter the Democratic coalition thus enable Trump to get a second term. But maybe he can pull moderates away from the Republican side (especially in Arizona).<p>After looking at it for a second time, it looks really out-of-touch with reality and will not have a significant impact. Political polarization isn&#x27;t a product of a broken political system. People are angry for a damn good reason. It&#x27;s a reflection of all of the economic gains of the last 40 years going to the billionaires.<p>Someone has got to take control of the country back from the 0.1% like FDR did. That someone will likely be an unknown politician in the Democratic party who makes them pay for the costs of addressing climate crisis. Unfortunately, it doesn&#x27;t look like that&#x27;s going to happen any time soon.
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throwaway10122over 3 years ago
We have Proportional Representation single transfereable vote system in Ireland and its great, as it forces formation of coalitions to actually represent a majority of population (hence less alienation), allows small parties and independents to potentially join governing coalition (Greens at moment for example), forces parties to compromise and drop more extreme policies.<p>As for the left &#x2F; right divide in USA, from our point of view your two main parties are well on the right wing out there
southerntofuover 3 years ago
For those of you who&#x27;d like to take a 10-minutes break to actually talk about issues instead of empowering future tyrants: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;TrapNews" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;TrapNews</a>
desireco42over 3 years ago
Not perfect but solid alternative. That is all I ever wanted to have.
brightballover 3 years ago
I’m an independent but count me curious. Might have to get his book.
wchar_tover 3 years ago
&gt; Cryptocurrencies now represent well over a trillion dollars in wealth. NFTs have created an entire new market, and smart contracts over the blockchain can allow for exciting new ways to transact within the economy.<p>Okay.
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gfodorover 3 years ago
Left, right, forward, backward.<p>The way out isn’t through, it’s up.
yur3i__over 3 years ago
I did have interest in Andrew yang, but I think leaving the democratic party has drastically decreased his chances of making significant political moves unfortunately
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Goetyover 3 years ago
I have to disagree with the name &#x27;forward party&#x27;<p>during civilizational decline I think different messaging is needed.
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mulletboyover 3 years ago
&quot;not left. not right&quot; Seen that before. Here in Europe that means &quot;right&quot; all the way.
timwaaghover 3 years ago
I don&#x27;t think he&#x27;s got it. These are esoteric issues few people ultimately care about.
slantedviewover 3 years ago
This is a pretty blatant re-invention of the wheel. See Third Way, No Labels, etc.
cpursleyover 3 years ago
The use of the international communist star for the logo seems like bad optics (the people who claim Yang is a socialist will latch in the that).
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zomgover 3 years ago
good luck with that. <i>laughs in libertarian</i>
supperburgover 3 years ago
I was listening to a popular media personality talking about a third party to fix our problems. It struck me as the wrong way. It would end up as just another political entity that is compromised by dogma, fanatics, money, corruption. No matter how well intentioned. I feel like it would be better to popularize the stigmatization of parties, drain the corrupt party establishments of their cash and support, and make it culturally acceptable to just support bills and politicians you like and not support ones you don’t like. I think ranked voting is good and maybe more direct voting on items instead of people.
newaccount2021over 3 years ago
&quot;Fact-Based Governance&quot;<p>Sounds like the slippery slope to eliminating individual rights, none of which have any &quot;factual&quot; grounding.<p>Purely-rational regimes have been tried - if you follow science&#x2F;reasoning far enough, you&#x27;ll end up with a eugenics program
mdomsover 3 years ago
As a non-American, I have listened to Yang a couple of times on Sam Harris&#x27;s podcast and I have to say, he is one of the least impressive people I have ever had to listen to. I&#x27;m not quite sure why Sam and his audience are so enamored with the guy.
Factoriumover 3 years ago
We&#x27;ve already experimented with UBI in 2020 and seen the result:<p>- Huge levels of fraud (applications from overseas scammers for state unemployment benefits etc.)<p>- Widespread shortages of entry-level workers<p>- Massive inflation and economic dislocation<p>Instead of UBI, we should just stop illegal immigration, and support deportations, which will increase wages and lower cost of living (real estate) pressures. Exactly like the Trump policies of 2019 which saw the lowest Black unemployment rate in history...<p>Soup kitchens and homeless shelters, universal free and available contraception&#x2F;abortions, and stopping the incentivization of single motherhood with via increased welfare benefits, will better deal with poverty in the short and long terms.
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meeritaover 3 years ago
This is another attempt to rename socialism. Universal Basic Income will be again the same thing with different name: taxation over taxation. My country Argentina is having a huge problema with offering money montly, they need to print to meet the money demand, it will end really badly.
bengaleover 3 years ago
I really like that guy, I hope he does well.
seanw444over 3 years ago
Crazy to me how many people would rather not consider the Founding Fathers in politics today. Just because we have smartphones and internal combustion engines doesn&#x27;t mean that general political ideas have changed much at all. People scare and disappoint me lately.
geff82over 3 years ago
Ronny Chieng On Why We Need an Asian President<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=5RCeS1SVFNo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=5RCeS1SVFNo</a>
woodruffwover 3 years ago
Maybe this is too mean, but: the only thing more ridiculous (in US electoral politics) than a perennial candidate is a perennial candidate with their own rubber-stamp party.
rektideover 3 years ago
I like a large amount of this platform but I don&#x27;t trust this guy &amp; if this goes anywhere he&#x27;s going to so wreak electoral havoc that will doom him &amp; his natural (&amp; most recent) allies chances harshly.
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jrm4over 3 years ago
Meh.<p>Look, I hope people begin to understand that &quot;ideas&quot; in politics are just about as valuable as &quot;ideas&quot; in the IT field; which is to say -- they&#x27;re fun to have and they can be exciting, but they&#x27;re also pretty much worthless without execution.<p>A tough lesson: If you support a presidential candidate because of their <i>ideas,</i> you&#x27;re unlikely to get very far.<p>The President usually needs to be like the boring CEO of the established company; you need a Tim Cook, not an aspiring Steve Jobs.
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