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Underdog Devs: supporting formerly incarcerated and disadvantaged aspiring devs

243 pointsby auslegungover 3 years ago

14 comments

mokslyover 3 years ago
I’ve worked with a few former criminals who spent time in prison for things they did in their youths. Keep in mind that I’m Scandinavian and our justice system is very, very, different. But all of them had been young and unadjusted and eventually wound up hurting someone over something stupid. Having matured and now in their 30’ies, none of that past life remained in any way in my dealings with them.<p>Obviously this is both anecdotal and success biased as I’d never be in a position to meet the people who don’t succeed, but not giving people a chance just because they’ve made mistakes is silly and I’m happy that initiatives like this exist when your justice system doesn’t want to reform people.
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nomdepover 3 years ago
Are developers the new blue-collar workers? I haven’t seen a similar program for aspiring lawyers, doctors or accountants. Aren’t we too eager to commoditize the profession?
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tossit24over 3 years ago
I am a person with a degree in computer science that was convicted of a felony many moons ago. I have been working as a developer for about the last decade.<p>You can do it, but the fear of losing employment, housing, etc is a very real day-to-day thing I still have in the front of my mind.
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paxysover 3 years ago
Those interested should also check out <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thelastmile.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thelastmile.org&#x2F;</a>. They are doing fantastic work in the same area.
willciprianoover 3 years ago
The sign up form could use a confirmation dialog, had to get into the dev console to confirm it had been submitted. Otherwise cool idea, I&#x27;d like to help coming to development from a non-traditional background as well.
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babelfishover 3 years ago
John Carmack has commented on this company before - does he have any affiliation? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;id_aa_carmack&#x2F;status&#x2F;1435307747470454787" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;id_aa_carmack&#x2F;status&#x2F;1435307747470454787</a>
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ChrisMarshallNYover 3 years ago
Although I support the idea, the web site seems a bit … <i>sparse</i> … to me.<p>This is an area that I know well. I’ve been working with folks like this for decades.<p>One <i>huge</i> problem with rehabilitation and reentry programs, is a fairly significant level of sketchy behavior. Many times, these efforts start from a good place, but fall victim to corruption.<p>It’s difficult to work with folks that have criminal backgrounds, but it can be quite gratifying. The challenges are real, but there are many, many people that are willing to work hard to climb out of a hole. It’s incredibly rewarding to help those folks.<p>But there are always a few that have no interest in changing their spots, and they can really piss in the punch bowl. It’s important to be ready for these people. This kind of work is not for the faint of heart. Tough room.<p>Also, I’m not too thrilled about the site conflating “disadvantaged” folks with ex-cons.<p>They are quite different. Although ex-cons are a subset of disadvantaged people, they are a pretty small percentage, and present radically different challenges from other folks that suffer from things like poverty, prejudice, and lack of opportunity.
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devwastakenover 3 years ago
I want a program like this to work, and this is of course an unpopular but factual statement - most of these kinds of programs define &quot;disadvantaged&quot; on your sex, skin color, and country of origin. This makes sense because they&#x27;re the programs companies like to fund to pad their diversity portfolio.thst protects them from Title 9 lawsuits. It follows the money. But it doesn&#x27;t actually target &quot;disadvantaged&quot; people, it targets whatever criteria they&#x27;ve created.<p>But perhaps this program is different, there&#x27;s no details given for maybe good reason.
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RickWolterover 3 years ago
Underdog Devs founder here...<p>We are a scrappy group of software engineers working to create opportunities for people who might not otherwise have them. Mainly the formerly incarcerated.<p>We are a very unique org in that we have no operating costs. No operating costs and yet we do the following....<p>We provide pair programming sessions all week for mentees with professional software engineers, they meet every other week with another mentor for career guidance, we have interview prep, our bootcamp partnerships provide free seats at various bootcamps, they get code assessments to determine progress by a CTO of a successful fintech company in San Fran, and a group of them have their bills paid so that they can focus on developing their skills unimpeded. Again, costs nothing, so all our money goes to the mentees bills.<p>We have had 16 people hired in under a year and without a website. We plan to have 6 more hired within the next couple months. Although these aren&#x27;t huge numbers remember that these are folks who have done prison time, who usually dont have degrees, who come from low income, and who many times felt like giving up on their software dev aspirations. This isn&#x27;t the architect turned coder...this is major economic mobility that will change entire their family&#x27;s trajectory. That 16 is a very meaningful 16.<p>If anyone is interested in more info reach out.<p>on Twitter Im @RwoltX and you&#x27;ll find UD at @UnderdogDevs<p>Or email us: questions@underdogdevs.org
the-dudeover 3 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.70millionjobs.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.70millionjobs.com&#x2F;</a> is from one of our own ( HN user <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;user?id=RBBronson123" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;user?id=RBBronson123</a> )
ChrisMarshallNYover 3 years ago
For those interested, in New York, we have Pursuit.org[0].<p>It was founded by the StackExchange folks.<p>I wanted to work with them, but they weren&#x27;t particularly interested in my tech stack (I do Apple development in Swift).<p>Good folks.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pursuit.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pursuit.org</a>
ThrowTeenFelonover 3 years ago
Throwaway for obvious reasons.<p>I became a convicted felon a hair after my 18th birthday, for a trespassing charge I received while out-of-my-mind high on drugs.<p>Long story short, by the time I started highschool, I was experimenting with drugs and skipping school. I was in and out of youth prison for drug-related stuff, and never finished highschool. My life spiraled out of control, in full-blown drug addiction, until I finally landed a year in jail and this felony charge right when I turned 18.<p>---<p><pre><code> &lt;Begin relevant part&gt; </code></pre> When I got out, I got my start in a program similar to this, a software apprenticeship program for &quot;at-risk&quot; youth. It wasn&#x27;t targeted towards formerly-incarcerated (in fact I think I was the only one they ever had) but I was completely transparent about my situation and past.<p>I had been doing code stuff for fun, through video game scripting (Lua, some Visual Basic) ever since I was a child and it really paid off.<p>Today, I have a career in a semi-well-known upstart tech company and live a life I never could have dreamed. But it could come crashing down at any moment. I&#x27;m still on felony probation almost a decade later for something I did when I was 18, due to massive debt I have to pay off.<p>It makes it nearly impossible for me or my wife to find housing, since felons aren&#x27;t a protected class (IE, you can legally discriminate against us, unlike people with disabilities or on the basis of race).<p>By no exaggeration, I went through nearly a dozen interview processes while my wife I were working minimum-wage manual labor jobs on the brink of homelessness, to be given an offer letter and then rescinded due to HR blanket &quot;no-felons&quot; policies. <i>&quot;We&#x27;re so sorry. We would be happy to recommend you to anyone else, though.&quot;</i> It became a running joke. I&#x27;d do multiple interview rounds which all went well, have a good sense I&#x27;d get an offer, and feel nothing from it because I knew I&#x27;d have it yanked out from under me on a technicality.<p>Even today, I live in constant terror that my current employer or coworkers would find out. It&#x27;s been ~10 years for christ&#x27;s sake, I&#x27;ve never done anything else in my life. I can&#x27;t express to you all how absolutely fucked it is to go to prison and become a convicted felon.<p>Actions speak louder than words, but I&#x27;m saving up enough to quit my job and try to secure state funding to back into prisons and teach development + give other people a reason to wake up every morning.<p>It&#x27;s really hard not to neck yourself when you&#x27;re staring at doing multiple years&#x2F;decades in one of our country&#x27;s fine estates.
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klik99over 3 years ago
Has anyone done a mentor program like this? Or even this?
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ggfdhover 3 years ago
How do they define “disadvantaged?”
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