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False confessions

180 pointsby j-g-faustusalmost 14 years ago

14 comments

michaelschadealmost 14 years ago
Unfortunately <i>not</i> a lab test, I saw this on Frontline recently and it was very disturbing to see that confessions could be so easily had: <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-confessions/etc/introduction.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-confessions/etc/...</a><p>Essentially, the story involves these sailors individually confessing to a crime (and allegedly tailoring their confessions to the investigator's words) when they were implicated by someone already being interrogated. With each additional person being interrogated, more people were implicated (who were previously unnamed), and previous confessions were amended accordingly.<p>Quite saddening indeed.
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Duffalmost 14 years ago
Rule #1: Don't talk to the police.<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik</a><p>You're better off taking the beating.
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mc32almost 14 years ago
I think something like this would have a huge impact on the conviction rate in Japan where a significant amount is based in coerced confessions. See BBC article: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8290767.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8290767.stm</a><p>But this reminds me of the malleability of memory and also herd-like mentality. I think it was on Tv or somewhere where the experiment involved flooding a room with participants with fake smoke but confederates were set to deny it was smoke. The effect was that the fake smoke was ignored. Had it been a real fire, they'd all have perished.
takinolaalmost 14 years ago
I used to think the whole false confession issue was bunk. I could not imagine confessing to a crime I did not commit for the obvious reason that there was simply no upside. However, this changed when someone I knew told me the story of how he found himself in a situation where he almost confessed to a crime. Here's the story<p>My friend, Bill, was in charge of construction projects at a real estate development. One night, he gets a phone call at 3 in the morning to let him know that one of the homes under construction is on fire. He jumps out of bed, grabs his camera and rushes out to scene of the fire. Once he gets there, he starts taking pictures in order to get a jump start on the insurance paperwork. Unfortunately, the firemen trying to put out the fire start to get suspicious. From their perspective, here's a strange guy taking pictures of burning homes at 3 in the morning (it's a development so there were no other occupied homes in the vicinity). They get to thinking maybe he is a pyromaniac who is now collecting trophy photos of his handiwork. They call the cops, Bill gets arrested and ends up in the interrogation room. Now, Bill is a pretty tough guy. Remember, he worked his way up in the construction business to become a manager so he is not a weakling by any means. However, after a couple hours of being grilled by the cops, he said he was just about ready to confess just to make it stop. They didn't beat him or anything, just the relentless application of all manner of psychological techniques (badgering, cajoling, threats of long sentences, good-bad cop, etc) completely wore him out. He was only saved when his boss found out that he had been arrested and called the station to back up his story.<p>From that time on, I realized that under the right circumstances, it is possible for a mentally stable, reasonable person to confess to a crime they did not commit.<p>More importantly, I realized that because I can't imagine something happening, does not mean it can not happen.
Aloisiusalmost 14 years ago
I've always worried that if I ever became a suspect in a crime that I would confess under pressure even if I didn't do it. There is something about me feeling guilty, authority and intimidation that makes me think I might.<p>Then again, my coping mechanism of becoming flippant/sarcastic could flip on and I'd confess to murdering JFK, Michael Jackson and Biggie using my mind/time machine.
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scotty79almost 14 years ago
I always found it strange that when a guy is saying he was doing something else noone believes him but when he starts telling he was doing what people suspect him of suddenly his word is rock solid.<p>If someone is consistently upset with what you are saying and makes your life miserable you try behaving differently especially in such stressful situation.<p>It's useful to listen to people suspected of crimes but you should treat their "confessions" as a clues where to finds evidence of what actually happened.
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derefralmost 14 years ago
It'd be nice if [insert popular TV crime drama] would pick this up and run with it. We might start to see juries doubting confessions in the same way they've already been trained by the media to doubt non-forensic evidence.
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alanfalconalmost 14 years ago
I confess that I didn't read the article, but this reminds me of the HN story of the University professor who asked students who cheated to come in to his office, and then found some large percentage who came to the office though the software exonerated them.<p>The question is: did they cheat and get it past the software? Or were they, as suggested in this article, admitting to something they did not do?
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suprgeekalmost 14 years ago
When I was reading the article, I was wondering when they would get to the role of interrogations especially aggressive ones. I cannot find the link now but there was a study which subjected people to sustained questioning that went on for more than 3 hours without a break. After 3(?) hrs all the subjects were offered the chance to end the interview if they agreed to deposit some non-trivial amount of money for 60 days. Something like 95% of people agreed and even signed (fake but real looking) legal contracts to that effect - even tough most were students (not rich) recruited for the study.<p>Never underestimate the stress caused when in a room with people aggressively questioning you. Even if they do no physical harm, This is VERY stressful.<p>In the US - "Am I free to go?" and "I want a lawyer" should be at the top of your 2 item list when in this situation. Remember, the Police care about solving crimes certainly - they care more about clearing cases quickly.
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res0nat0ralmost 14 years ago
The Confessions on Frontline is one of most interesting reports from that show that I've seen, it's related to four men who confessed to a crime they didn't commit. Highly recommended.<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-confessions/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-confessions/</a>
mchusmaalmost 14 years ago
While the experiment with the ALT key was interesting and can shed some light on this subject, it would be a mistake to extrapolate too much. I would be far more likely to assume "I probably did accidentally hit the ALT key" than "Oh, I probably did murder that person." Hitting the ALT key by accident is extremely easy, and the punishment in this study small relative to most criminal offenses.
holdencalmost 14 years ago
When an investigator tells someone that they have two choices: confess and face potentially five years in jail, or plead not guilty and face potentially twenty years in jail, what sounds like the best deal?
yuhongalmost 14 years ago
Yea, I am well aware of the advice to not talk to the police. But I wonder why the police would go to such trouble to get confessions as to write a letter to trick people into doing so etc.
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stretchwithmealmost 14 years ago
Peer pressure is a powerful thing.