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Bitcoin Addiction Hospital

126 pointsby IndrekRover 3 years ago

16 comments

padolseyover 3 years ago
It's been interesting to see bitcoin and blockchain migrate from tech infrastructure to the mainstream. I had a chat to an electrician recently who lost an apprentice because they wanted to go 'all in' on trading crypto. Electricians and other tradespeople are in short supply here in the UK and he just couldn't understand why someone would forgo a solid career for something so flakey. He felt he'd lost this apprentice to a cult. Just one anecdote but it's interesting how similar the furor of crypto is to that of religious dogma, with many people claiming prophetic foresight, and going all in on the dogma both to self-rationalize their risk-taking and for FOMO. There is, as well, a lot of economical turbulence in peoples' lives at the moment, meaning they're more likely to turn to gambling and risk-taking.
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pjc50over 3 years ago
Gambling addiction does seem to be a modern problem; not just unregulated forex and options trading, and not just in bitcoin, but also gatcha games and good old fashioned sports betting.<p>Perhaps this is why Netflix Korean lethal gambling TV series <i>Squid Game</i> is so resonant in the West.
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trompover 3 years ago
Their cryptocurrency FAQ is comical at times:<p>&gt; How do cryptocurrencies work?<p>All transactions are done on the internet. Each unit of cryptocurrency is made up of a unique computer codes that can be bought and sold.<p>&gt; Who runs cryptocurrencies?<p>Instead of a central (or national) bank there are thousands of IT experts, known as ‘miners’, whose job is to verify transactions and release more crypto-coins into the market. The Bitcoin miners use a system called blockchain.<p>They are sustained by their users, who believe the value of their digital currencies will increase (or at least remain the same).
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WJWover 3 years ago
Seems reasonable. A lot of people involved in cryptocurrency seem to be trading way more often than is advisable when looking at the spreads (and thus exchange rake) involved. The exchange platforms certainly don&#x27;t discourage extremely risky trading either, both by their interface design and by the level of leverage they offer. Finally, by providing it under the guise of &quot;investing&quot;, which has a much better public image than &quot;gambling&quot;, they provide it with a veneer of respectability. An ideal breeding ground for addicted behavior.
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shapefrogover 3 years ago
<i>Castle Craig Hospital provides treatment for people addicted to trading, spread betting and the trading of cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin, Ethereum, Ripple &amp; Litecoin. We treat these as forms of gambling addiction.</i><p>Quite right too.
qwerty456127over 3 years ago
I once tried some binary options just for fun. Crypto were the worst tickers to bet on. At the same time crypto seems among the best assets for the classic &quot;buy on lows, hold forever&quot; strategy. Why does anybody bother betting&#x2F;scalping on crypto?
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shimonabiover 3 years ago
This needs to be in every hospital. I know so many potential patients. Just last week a coworker told me he considers people who don&#x27;t believe in the future of crypto dumb. It&#x27;s almost unimaginable to him that a smart person would refuse to buy into crypto.<p>It&#x27;s the same type of people that would be hawking pyramid schemes two decades ago.
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mateuszfover 3 years ago
They&#x27;re not healing bitcoin addiction but trading addiction. You can just buy bitcoin and hold it as store of value &#x2F; investment.<p>That&#x27;s a significant difference. And a misleading title IMO.
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mihaicover 3 years ago
I feel more strongly than ever that trading should be strictly regulated and not permitted to the general population. It&#x27;s framed as an equalizer, but it ends up moving more money from the middle to the upper class.<p>I don&#x27;t think anybody wants to return to haggling for piece of fruit they buy from the supermarket, yet somehow many of my friends are regular office worker that feel they have an edge over the highest paying industry in the world.
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betwixthewiresover 3 years ago
One thing to keep in mind is that there&#x27;s a fundamental difference between gambling and speculating on assets, cryptocurrency or otherwise. With gambling, the payout odds and real odds of a game are known, and you have to pay per play, which means a guaranteed loss rate. With speculation, no money is actually lost in the process, only when you&#x27;ve decided to end it, and &quot;turns&quot; do not have defined terms.<p>This might sound like a trivial difference but it is not. <i>You actually can make money speculating.</i><p>Many of the behavioral patterns though are the same. People do get addicted to speculating and trading, and mostly with negative consequences, particularly if they do not learn as they go and rely on pseudo superstitious beliefs and truisms, which most traders do.
iSnowover 3 years ago
Does anyone else see those excessive &quot;crypto dudes&quot; around in their social circle? They seem to eat, breath and excrete Bitcoins day in, day out.<p>I can&#x27;t understand why otherwise intelligent people are sucked into some cult-like gambling, wasting their lives away and talking about the upcoming disruption of the financial system in much the same way as QAnon idiot talk about the &quot;Great awakening&quot;.<p>During my lifetime, some cultish obsessions made the round, but seems to me that &quot;always on&quot; social media has poured a lot of gas on the fire.
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hirvi74over 3 years ago
I find it odd how so many of the comments here are attacking Bitcoin, other cryptocurrencies, day-trading, and other forms of gambling&#x2F;speculation&#x2F;investing.<p>It reminds me of a quote from some comedian I heard many moons backs that went something like:<p>&gt; It&#x27;s funny when you quit drinking -- people always ask you, &quot;Why did you quit drinking?&quot; or &quot;How come you do not drink anymore?&quot; But why does no one ever ask why you drank in the first place?<p>That quote seems to lineup well with various discussions in this thread. What causing more and more people to go down this road? Personally, I think this is a subtle, yet massive, cry for help.<p>It seems like this is the only way out for so many people(or so they think), and that is what breeds the cult-like mentality. I wouldn&#x27;t care about investing as much as I currently do, if my future did not literally rely on it. I do not make enough money that I can throw my money into a savings account, and it will be enough to retire on. I only have one choice if I want to retire one day, and that is to invest. I am mainly an index fund investor, and I still fear that even that is not enough.<p>When you are, more or less, forced to live in a rat-race, your only options are to traverse the maze and hope the cheese is still there if&#x2F;when you make it to the end. And if that is case, I don&#x27;t blame the other rats for trying to chew and naw their way attempting to escape&#x2F;shortcut the maze.<p>Do I invest in cryptocurrencies? Yes. Do I believe in any of them have true utility or provide solutions for real problems? No. I invest in them because I find it a fun little game. I am not going to get rich on them or anything, but it gives me something to do when Fantasy Hockey &#x2F; NHL is in its offseason. I can see why people get high on the &#x27;hopium&#x27; though -- there isn&#x27;t much to be hopeful for anymore.
LightGover 3 years ago
Good. Makes sense. Much of the speculative narrative around bitcoin has been pure gambling and it resembles a cultish sickness.
greenailover 3 years ago
It strikes me that there is a link between mainstream popularity of crypto and the massive liquidity and artificially low interest rates. The smart players are using the transparency to do high frequency arbitrage. This is one of the rare instances where I think regulation is helpful.
adminscoffeeover 3 years ago
do you have money issues? yeah, unchecked consumerism is an addiction as well. how many people take on more work than they should but don&#x27;t even get to enjoy the things they are working for? that&#x27;s extremely unhealthy
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nathiasover 3 years ago
There is a small percent of people susceptible to gambling and instead of helping them you &#x27;solve&#x27; this problem by making the profits go to the government. Every engineer should feel embarassed by supporting this.