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Why Can't Epic's AI model Detect Sepsis?

14 pointsby stuartbmanover 3 years ago

6 comments

Enginerrrdover 3 years ago
I used to work in emergency medicine as a paramedic. A far cry from an MD for sure, but here's my two cents: Unless they were already in decline, I never suspected Sepsis based solely on vitals. It was usually more of a gut feel thing. It can present with weird symptoms, like unexplained joint pain in multiple joints and things like that. I think that two key tells are patient history and patient cognition relative to baseline. My favorite question to ask family is: "How are they normally?" It's hard to measure these things with vitals so the AI doesn't have the right data going in, IMO. But, take all this with a grain of salt as I am deeply uninformed on the subject.
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mdaidcover 3 years ago
The title is misleading and wrong. &quot;AI&quot; from a specific company(Epic) can&#x27;t detect sepsis. But technology exists from people that known what they are doing, such as Johns Hopkin&#x27;s spin-off Bayesian [1], and they have been very successful in detecting Sepsis.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bayesianhealth.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bayesianhealth.com</a>
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jackhackover 3 years ago
It looks like Duke University School Of Medicine figured it out. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;physicians.dukehealth.org&#x2F;articles&#x2F;dukes-augmented-intelligence-system-helps-prevent-sepsis-ed" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;physicians.dukehealth.org&#x2F;articles&#x2F;dukes-augmented-i...</a><p>(after I posted this, the title of this story has changed to be EPIC-specific - it was &quot;Why Can&#x27;t AI Detect Sepsis?&quot;)
ameliusover 3 years ago
&gt; Why Can&#x27;t AI Detect Sepsis?<p>&gt; (...)<p>&gt; The details of ESM&#x27;s development is proprietary<p>That last word is why.
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stuartbmanover 3 years ago
Granted this is the review of a single model, but given that it&#x27;s by one of the big players in the EMR space, it shows how challenging this problem is. Sepsis is easy to under-recognise, and difficult to identify reliably without lots (and lots) of false alarms.
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kritikoover 3 years ago
I think this headline is slightly misleading since the writeup doesn&#x27;t really go into the &quot;why&quot; or generalize past Epic&#x27;s performance.<p>The TLDR is much more accurate: &quot;A widely used sepsis prediction tool demonstrated poor performance in an independent validation, with worse results than clinician judgement and an increased burden of alert fatigue.&quot;