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Ask HN: Books on overcoming shyness

37 pointsby gs7almost 14 years ago
Hey hackers,<p>tl;dr: do you know of some good "instruction manuals" to overcome shyness so I can network with hackers and find some friends?<p>I recently moved to Silicon Valley and I'd really like to find some friends. The problem is that I'm terribly shy and have always had a really hard time meeting people and making new friends, unless I'm forced to be with the same group of people for long periods of time. I'm working from home now so I can't meet new people at my workplace. I don't drink. I'm pretty quiet in general. I really need to fix this about myself because it's going to hold me back forever.<p>Do you know of books written for the nerdier crowd that give step-by-step guides on how to overcome my shyness? I want to know specifics on how to small talk, what to talk about when meeting new people, etc. I know the basics of what you're supposed to do and what you're supposed to talk about generally, but that doesn't help me because I tend to tense up and shut down in those situations. I need specific suggestions, like an instruction manual or a script, that I could memorize and follow over and over until I get to be more comfortable. Like the hacker's guide to being social.<p>I know that I won't become outgoing just by reading a book. But I do need some sort of help (and I think therapy is a little overkill). I'm already looking for hacker events I could attend in the area to get out of the house. For example, I'll be at the Hackers &#38; Founders meetup in San Jose next Thursday. It would be nice to figure out how to talk to strangers by then, because the thought of it gives me sweaty palms already.<p>Thanks for your help!<p>EDIT: I've read Dale Carnegie's "How to win friends and influence people" and most of it I already knew or heard about. I also felt it was a bit outdated. Is there maybe something like that specifically for hackers?

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joelhausalmost 14 years ago
How to Win Friends &#38; Influence People by Dale Carnegie<p>When I read this book, the timing was perfect and I credit it with refocusing my mind when it comes to relationships. Critics usually say that it's all just common sense, and I would agree -- however, these critics miss the fact that common sense is rarely common practice.<p>I recall my first few interactions after reading the first half of the book, and the stuff works, plain and simple. I wanted to kick myself for being so oblivious.<p>It sounds like you are already aware of the importance of relationships, so I would say, give it a shot and don't get discouraged. With practice, it will become easier (almost second nature when you see how positive the results are). You can also find some great summaries of this book online. Due to an overwhelmingly positive experience with this book, I later searched for further reading on the topic and ended up with "Ethics for the New Millennium" by the Dalai Lama -- this book helped to bring into focus the underlying "truth" of "How to Win Friends &#38; Influence People" and is a nice follow up... good luck!<p><a href="http://www.westegg.com/unmaintained/carnegie/win-friends.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.westegg.com/unmaintained/carnegie/win-friends.htm...</a> (Summary)<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671723650" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/06...</a><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ethics-New-Millennium-Dalai-Lama/dp/1573220256" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Ethics-New-Millennium-Dalai-Lama/dp/15...</a>
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lsbalmost 14 years ago
1) Cranberry juice is an acceptable drink at a bar.<p>2) You must have some activity that people do in groups. Do you bike? Do you write code? Do you like to discuss books you've read?<p>3) If you can teach yourself to write tail-recursive code, an unnatural activity that gives you an end-result you want, you can teach yourself to be gregarious, an unnatural activity that gives you an end-result you want. Just practice! Start with events you don't care about, and keep practicing on more and more important events.
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shawndrostalmost 14 years ago
&#62; I don't drink.<p>I hope not to offend you, but, speaking as someone who used to be very shy, I'd suggest you give it another shot (unless you're very attached to not drinking). You say you tense up and shut down in social situation -- this goes away when you have a few drinks in you. That's mostly why people drink!<p>You don't have to make drinking the cornerstone of your life -- just look at alcohol as training wheels for socializing. There are lots of tech meetups that happens in bars -- give it a shot!
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invisiblefunnelalmost 14 years ago
I'm also shy. I don't know of any instruction manuals, but I'll offer a tip. When you go to the next hacker meetup, sit down next to someone and <i>immediately</i> introduce yourself. Maybe that's the end of the conversation, maybe it's just the beginning, but forcing yourself to verbalize with someone at the start of the event will make it easier from then on. It's also likely that the person you sit next to is just as shy as you and me.
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jseligeralmost 14 years ago
This might sound odd, but try reading <i>The Game</i> by Neil Strauss: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Game-Penetrating-Secret-Society-Artists/dp/0060554738?ie=UTF8&#38;tag=thstsst-20&#38;linkCode=as2&#38;camp=1789&#38;creative=390957" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Game-Penetrating-Secret-Society-Artist...</a> . It's superficially about how to pick up women, but a lot of it is actually about how to understand social life, what incentives operate on people, and what kinds of things most "normal" (for lack of a better word) people like. Don't use "negs," don't get too wrapped up in his questionable tales of sexual bravado, but do consider what he writes about how to understand the world.
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profquailalmost 14 years ago
"How to Win Friends &#38; Influence People"<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671723650?tag=duckduckgo-d-20" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/06...</a><p>I don't know if it's as "step-by-step" as you're looking for, but it's a classic and still quite popular -- I think it'll at least be a good starting point for you.
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bkrauszalmost 14 years ago
I strongly believe that the best path to changing yourself is experience (and screwing up), and that no book can help you be social, at least not at the speed you're looking for.<p>Get out there and try! You know that sinking feeling you get whenever you do something awkward? That's a feedback mechanism: don't do things that cause that. Eventually you'll find what works for you and feel comfortable introducing yourself to groups. Even then you'll occasionally have an awkward moment: that's ok! We're all nerds in our own ways, and we've all been there. Just keep moving past it and don't lose your stride (the exact same advice one would give to a dancer or musician for when they mess up).<p>Hackers and Founders is a great event for this: it's a really great bunch of people. Hunt down Jonathan, the organizer[1] when you get there and explain that you're new to the area and would love to chat with people interested in X, Y, or Z. He'll get you started :). It's much easier to connect with people who share similar interests. Even if you suck at it initially, practice will make you better.<p>Holding a drink that you can take a sip of is also a great way to avoid awkwardness. As lsb said, cranberry juice (or even water/soda) works just as well as booze.<p>[1] On the right: <a href="http://photos4.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/2/6/5/4/600_16869812.jpeg" rel="nofollow">http://photos4.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/2/6/5/4/600_168...</a>
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genieycloalmost 14 years ago
Books are nothing compared to interfacing with people and mixing with the public to become comfortable in the setting of strangers.<p>You know what worked for me? Working at the front of a fast and busy cafe. Previously shy and introverted, now confident and outgoing with anyone I meet.
Duffalmost 14 years ago
Stop reading books and talk to people.<p>Make it a goal to speak to two people you've never interacted with before every day. At work, say one intelligent or funny thing at every meeting you attend.<p>Make small talk. Be nice to people. Don't "network". Compliment the person who serves you at a reataurant. Say hi to the mailman. There is no magic here, and no book has some secret that will somehow allow you to socialize without getting up and talking to people.
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lief79almost 14 years ago
As has already been stated, "How to win friends and influence people" is probably your best bet. However you'd be better off finding a way to practice your skills.<p>A couple things to realize: many people are lonely (like you), and like to discuss their interests. In high school I was lucky enough to discover how easy it is to break through this with a few events where no one knew more than a few people.<p>The habit I adopted in college, and wish would be easier to do in suburbia was going to dining halls alone, (and this does work elsewhere ... but have a book handy in case no one is interested) look for anyone who's eating alone and doesn't seem to be working or already engrossed in a book, and ask if they'd like company.<p>I've done it successfully the two times I've found myself with the time to do it after college, and numerous times during college. The same approach works in many large group social scenes.<p>Good luck. Oh, if you really want to improve things rapidly, ask if there is anyone on hackers news who is interested in helping you break through this for a free drink or meal. It might be easier if you know one or two people prior to the meetup, in order to help with introductions.
revoradalmost 14 years ago
Be genuinely interested in people. You can learn tricks to appear social, but it will be fake. If you find yourself in places where you find it hard to talk to people, you're probably not that interested in talking to them anyway. It's ok if you don't.<p>Seek out places and people which actually interest and excite you. You will know what to say (like you just did here).<p>"If you have something to say, then say it. If not, enjoy the silence while it lasts. The noise will return soon enough. In the meantime, you're better off going out into the big, wide world, having some adventures and refilling your well. Trying to create when you don't feel like it is like making conversation for the sake of making conversation. It's not really connecting, it's just droning on like an old, drunken barfly."<p><a href="http://changethis.com/manifesto/6.HowToBeCreative/pdf/6.HowToBeCreative.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://changethis.com/manifesto/6.HowToBeCreative/pdf/6.HowT...</a>
impendiaalmost 14 years ago
Show up to the improv lessons offered by BATS Improv (www.improv.org). They teach a bunch of classes in San Francisco and occasionally in Palo Alto as well. I did this and the lessons are awesome. You are constantly forced to say something - <i>anything</i> - on the spot.<p>Give up the idea of taking it step-by-step, being comfortable, or having instructions to follow. If you want to learn to talk to strangers, <i>just do it</i>. Say something or ask a question to the barista every time you order coffee. Plan on awkward moments aplenty. This can't be avoided; don't even try.<p>Also give up the idea that you need to fix yourself. You already have plenty to offer, as indeed <i>everyone</i> does. As I was told once, "your attention is enough". Just pay attention to people and don't mentally check out when situations get confusing, ambiguous, or awkward.<p>Babe Ruth struck out 1,330 times. :)
MattLarochealmost 14 years ago
&#62; But I do need some sort of help (and I think therapy is a little overkill).<p>One on one therapy may be overkill, but don't rule out a coach or a group. Seriously - if this is something that you find you can't overcome from practice and a book, but want to, it makes sense to seek professional help in some form. For example, Los Altos has "The Shyness Clinic": <a href="http://www.shyness.com/shyness-clinic.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.shyness.com/shyness-clinic.html</a>. I just found it in simple searching around - I'm not endorsing them in particular.<p>I'm a nerd too - and there's a ton of things that I couldn't just read and practice away. In fact, our intelligence often gets in the way of our progress - overthinking can do more harm than good on many social issues that plague us nerds. It's hard to stop overthinking by studying!<p>I've got a ton of friends who do group dance lessons to meet people and get out of the house.<p>General tips:<p>* Smile! It'll put others at ease and it'll put you at ease too.<p>* Leave when you're done - don't stay just because you feel bad you haven't spent n minutes there.<p>* Silence is OK - if someone talks to you, it's way better to take an extra 5 seconds (which will feel like an eternity!) and then start your reply than feeling like you need to respond the split second the other person finishes. It didn't feel natural at first, but when I listen to other people it happens all the time.<p>* Everyone loves to talk about themselves. Tell the person you're new to the area and ask them what their favorite drive, hike, day trip, restaurant, or hot new start up is. Ask them why. Ask them anything related. They'll think you're swell <i>and</i> you didn't have to have any deep searching to answer their questions!<p>What brought you out to the Bay Area anyway? And what are your interests?
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hasenjalmost 14 years ago
Not exactly a book, but have you looked at <a href="http://rejectiontherapy.com/" rel="nofollow">http://rejectiontherapy.com/</a> ?<p>I think it's better than a book. You don't fix your social issues by reading, you fix them by <i>doing</i>.
naneralmost 14 years ago
Sure, there are workbooks you can buy if you don't have access to a psychologist or therapy group. The only catch is that there is nobody to push you to go through the exercises and you won't have the benefit of external feedback from a counselor or a peer group. You'll have to force yourself to do the exercises properly and it will take longer than if you had professional help.<p>Anyway, here's a few workbooks I found with minimal effort. Go over the reviews to decide which to try:<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Shyness-Social-Anxiety-Workbook-Step-/dp/1572245530/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Shyness-Social-Anxiety-Workbook-Step-/...</a><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Managing-Social-Anxiety-Workbook-Cognitive-Behavioral/dp/0195336690/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Managing-Social-Anxiety-Workbook-Cogni...</a><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Shyness-Social-Anxiety-Workbook-Techniques/dp/B002FL5I68/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Shyness-Social-Anxiety-Workbook-Techni...</a><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Overcoming-Social-Anxiety-Shyness-Behavioral/dp/0465005454/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Overcoming-Social-Anxiety-Shyness-Beha...</a><p>I also posted this awhile ago: <a href="http://news.ycombinator.org/item?id=2614140" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.org/item?id=2614140</a><p>That is an example of a therapy group program.
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sid6376almost 14 years ago
The books suggested here have been pretty good, but books will only help you so much. Consider this suggestion: Talk to 5 new people every day. They can be anyone, on an elevator, a person walking by, a person in a queue just start a conversation about anything. You will be surprised by how easy it is to start a conversation. If you are petrified to start a conversation, rehearse the conversation beforehand. Let us know, how it goes.
kjacksonover 13 years ago
Sorry to be so blunt, but for someone who doesn't have any social skills, it's odd you would feel that Dale Carnegie's book is outdated. It doesn't seem like you are qualified to know what is outdated or not, given your lack of expertise.<p>I suggest you follow that book because it concentrates on the fundamentals. It's very important you internalize this.<p>When you go to the Hackers and Founders meetup, every 1 hr, walk up to someone and say "Hi, my name is gs7. So what brings you here?" It is awkward and embarrassing, but work through it. You'll get over it. At least it's friendly and people won't think you're a jerk. And then you can engage people on things that are interesting to both of you.<p>If you do this exactly 100 times over the course of several months, you'll find that it's not a problem anymore. All it takes is practice. You will fail miserably the first 40 times. The next 30 times, you'll do crappy, but you'll be doing better. The next 20 times, you'll be doing okay. And the last 10 times, you'll be good at it.
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omarchowdhuryalmost 14 years ago
Try to think more about the person/people you are interacting with instead of yourself.
dmitrig01almost 14 years ago
I am in very much the same situation. Something thing I've found that really helps me is just reading about shy behavior. I find that identifying an issue is the first step to solving, and reading descriptions of shy behavior often help me better and more precisely identify what to fix. One book I found to be quite helpful in this regard was "The Introvert Advantage" by Marti Laney.
csomaralmost 14 years ago
Well my very simple solution was to look up shy people even with a different mindset. In fact, we share something. So far, it has been great and it works. It works really well. I used to have no friends at all. I started by meeting one and now we are meeting almost everyday. Now I have 4 friends and we are socializing with other peers.<p>Get to know people like you :)
mechnikalmost 14 years ago
Look into Albert Ellis' ideas and derivative CBT treatments. Here is the story about Ellis' efforts to overcome his own social anxiety <a href="http://approachanxiety.com/2008/05/i-gave-myself-a-brilliant-homework-assignment/" rel="nofollow">http://approachanxiety.com/2008/05/i-gave-myself-a-brilliant...</a>
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pygorexover 13 years ago
Excellent advice and book recommendations in this thread. Though I must admit that upon reading the title, I could only think of this:<p><a href="http://walkthrough.starmen.net/earthbound/image/screens/36/tendachief.png" rel="nofollow">http://walkthrough.starmen.net/earthbound/image/screens/36/t...</a>
impendiaalmost 14 years ago
One book I like is Bolles' "What color is your parachute?" It is about job-searching, but the message of the book is: find things you like; be cheerful, polite, grateful always; remember that most people are usually happy to help; nobody owes you anything, and you don't owe anyone anything.
Yxvenalmost 14 years ago
I don't know if books are the best way to go about this.<p>I overcame my shyness with improvisational acting. Consider taking a class. Social encounters become a lot less intimating once you realize you can get away with almost anything as long as you have a smile on your face.
sayemmalmost 14 years ago
- "How to Win Friends and Influence People" as other mentioned here<p>- join a Toastmaster's club. practice your speaking and presentation skills.<p>- meetup.com is a great way to meet people with common interests in your local area
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mapsterover 13 years ago
What helped me was creating good experiences in social settings. I am 200% more relaxed and social when I am a host, so you may try hosting friends and with a little wine play games (i.e, dictionary, etc.). Best wishes
tildedennisalmost 14 years ago
<a href="http://www.succeedsocially.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.succeedsocially.com/</a><p>This guy has written a lot about this topic. I find his material very readable.
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karlztover 13 years ago
I recommend Richard Feynman books.<p>also see this:<a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2501560" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2501560</a>
rick888almost 14 years ago
Join a group that interests you on meetup.com. I did this a couple of years ago and it helped me out tremendously.
mattmalmost 14 years ago
Two words - salsa dancing
saturnalmost 14 years ago
I have found that doing a class in theatrical improv to be a fantastic exercise for removing social inhibition and gaining skills in group dynamics.