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Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of hospitalization for Covid

40 pointsby AndrewBissellover 3 years ago

6 comments

hhw3hover 3 years ago
What&#x27;s interesting is Steve Kirsch was touting this months ago alongside Robert Malone and Bret Weinstein.<p>That content got banned from YouTube.<p>Was more or less harm done by stifling this information?<p>In the desire to drive official therapeutics and vaccines was this potentially not surfaced as fast as it could have been?<p>I&#x27;m not sure. It&#x27;s good food for thought though.
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didibusover 3 years ago
I&#x27;m not super familiar with how to interpret the statistics in the paper, am I correct in understanding that it showed a 5% reduction in hospitalizations?<p>And it seems there was no significant effect on death?<p>If someone knows how to read this, can you chime in?
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Vrondiover 3 years ago
This is fascinating, but for people who already have a medical history of ITP, it might be a bad idea, as this drug has known anti-platelet activity. Good for &quot;normal&quot; people to avoid blood clots, but bad for ITP people who are trying to keep from losing platelets.
beebmamover 3 years ago
Hey this looks pretty awesome. More early treatment options for COVID-19 is going to save many lives!
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disabledover 3 years ago
I wouldn’t touch flovoxamine or any other antidepressent (or antipsychotic for that matter) with a 10 foot stick.<p>If you want a good read about how the **<i>y the US healthcare system is, this is a very worthwhile read. Ironically the author is the screenwriter of “Girl, Interrupted” and the story she writes is about how her son got screwed by the US healthcare system and is titled “Boy, Interrupted”. It also shows you how desperate people get for specialized care, and will shell out unfathomable amounts of money for “treatment” at sketchy places: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.madinamerica.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;06&#x2F;boy-interrupted-a-story-of-akathisia&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.madinamerica.com&#x2F;2021&#x2F;06&#x2F;boy-interrupted-a-story...</a> K Ironically, the last straw for me, when it came to living in America was my diagnosis of akathisia (just like the linked story), which is 1000x worse than it sounds. I have severe depression and I had been taking my medications as prescribed. Because of my taking these medications, I developed severe akathisia. Literally, before all hell broke loose from the severe akathisia (of which I likely had to varying degrees for years) my highly respected neurologist in movement disorders immediately wrote a scathing report of my situation with the diagnosis. He also gave a ton of recommendations. He also wrote letters to all of my doctors. He did this all within an hour and took the situation extremely seriously.<p>Unfortunately, even though he is technically a high powered doctor, the US healthcare system has taken a tremendous amount of power away from doctors in general. So a scathing write up in my medical record plus letters to all of my doctors (with recommendations) was all he could really do for me. I literally ended up in the ER 6 times in a week, with improper help. I kept on being discharged over and over again without any further help and even got in to trouble with the law multiple times. One time, after being drugged with Ativan (a benzodiazepine) and Ketamine (a general anesthetic) in the ER, from which I had been discharged. I had called my mother and she was going to pick me up from the hospital. She was well on her way for picking me up. Honestly, I thought I was just waiting outside on the sidewalk right next to the ER, for my mother, but something very wrong had happened. All of the sudden I see a cop car pull up about 30-40 feet away from me and they were headed my way to talk to me. Obviously the number one rule is to never talk to the police under any conditions. Traffic stops are a good time to practice Mm that, by the way. The best thing you can do is say “no comment, I need to talk to my lawyer first.” Anyways I was drugged up to the extreme so it was not like I was not talking and running my mouth to both of the cops observing the situation. Obviously I had caused some sort of public disturbance and somebody had called the cops on me and clearly I should have never been discharged from the hospital. Honestly, I have no idea how, when, or even where the public disturbance occurred (obviously this is public record but it is not healthy for me to investigate the situation further). Anyways, after the cops talked to me, they said that an “emergency detention order” was being issued and that I was going to be forced to get treatment at the **hole hospital which had improperly discharged me after being hella ativaned and ketamined up. Long story short, I had 3 interactions with the cops in 1 week. Prior to that I had only had 2 interactions with the police in my adult life (+14 years). Both were traffic stops, but neither were for moving traffic violations (burnt out headlight and expired registration during COVID-19). I was tremendously lucky that I was never charged with anything over that week from hell, and the cops managed to see that something was “off”. Anyways, like in the above link (excellent storytelling by the way so it is a worthwhile read), there are common denominators that I share with the writer’s son. I am a dual US|European Union (Croatian) citizen and I fled the US after the final hospital trip (from hell actually...it was the worst hospital trip of all time and I am hardcore chronically ill just in general) for Croatia exactly 21 days later (I had to obtain legal documents). Because of my training in electrical engineering, which I am profoundly fortunate to have, I do LORETA (technically sLORETA) neurofeedback training completely on my own to help heal my brain, just like the person in that story. Anyways, there is much more to the story that is better not put in writing. Just know that there is nothing that will bring me back to the USA.</i>
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londons_exploreover 3 years ago
So... How was this not discovered 18 months ago?<p>There are plenty of people taking fluvoxamine already, which acts as a natural experiment. After a few thousand hospitalizations, this effect size would have been obvious (ie. March 2020). At that point, a double-blind study could have been run, which (if done in a city with many infections) could have given results within weeks.<p>What bit of health research dropped the ball on this?
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