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NFTs over 10k, you go to jail

35 pointsby ruangover 3 years ago

7 comments

ohgodplsnoover 3 years ago
&gt;Soon the only way a person born in the USA will be able to do <i>anything</i> in any scale with these technologies, without KYCing everyone or becoming a felon, will be to a) leave and b) operate with a non-US entity and ideally non-US employees&#x2F;directors.<p>Ah, the wishful thinking of cryptobros that only America will KYC. Europe says hi.
sasijover 3 years ago
Good, honestly. This NFT stuff is such garbage.
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AmericanBlarneyover 3 years ago
I believe a more appropriate title would be &quot;facilitate money laundering, you go to jail&quot;
bryanrasmussenover 3 years ago
I guess you have less than 1 day now then?
LurkingPenguinover 3 years ago
I did a quick Google search to see who the tweeter is and found this gem[1]:<p>&gt; BC: Will the Bond token be available to U.S. and U.K. users soon?<p>&gt; PD: U.K. is more likely than the U.S., possibly in Q1 we’ll make a deal with the owners of a regulated vehicle. However, the strict laws in the U.K. against bearer securities add further complications.<p>&gt; The structure is actually U.S.-centric, each set of assets is held in a Wyoming LLC that I manage through a Wyoming corporation, and my British colleagues have created an Armenian company that is a customer of that basic wealth management service. US property law backs the LLC membership’s strict rules towards benefiting investors, and the token is backed by a contract between the Armenian company (which owns LLC membership, and thus pass-through ownership of the assets) and the holder. Other people can become LLC members directly and get a 10% higher payment, due to tax withholding in Armenia, but then they can’t get a token to transfer until a year later, due to the SEC rule 144.<p>&gt; Now if that seems like a bit of a maze run, that’s because U.S. securities law is tricky, global attempts at regulation are tricky, and maze running was the easiest way to properly do this for where the world is today. But, the not so easiest ways would be, do a Regulation A offering that goes up to 50M a year in issuance and costs about 120k to file, plus ~30-50k a year in accounting for SEC reporting. Lots of people can do that and arguably, have the registered stock that is held by the company back the issuance of a blockchain token as a bearer scrip – a term that is repeated across many State Corporations Acts. I’m exploring a deal right now where I would spin-off a company from an existing publicly traded company on the OTC exchange, at present, it seems like that’d be a legal way to get a public, regulated security with little upfront cost though 50-100k in reporting costs each year. I think I want to save that for the real estate product I’ve got coming further down the line. My current feeling is that BOND changes things a lot more for people in Latin America, Africa, and Asia than it would for U.S. persons.<p>A Wyoming LLC managed by an American (apparently) through his Wyoming corporation with end investors investing in an <i>Armenian</i> company set up by some dudes in the UK.<p>I always thought crypto was supposed to make things easier and more transparent, and be the antithesis of Wall Street. Things like this are even worse.<p>When Lehman wealth management called me right before the company collapsed fishing for ponzi money, even they weren&#x27;t pushing me into an Armenian vehicle.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.bitcoin.com&#x2F;interview-omni-layers-patrick-dugan&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.bitcoin.com&#x2F;interview-omni-layers-patrick-dugan...</a>
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nuerowover 3 years ago
So, what&#x27;s IRC Section 6050I and why was it being purposely omitted by the poster?<p>Answer:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irs.gov&#x2F;government-entities&#x2F;indian-tribal-governments&#x2F;itg-faq-1-answer-what-is-irc-section-6050i" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.irs.gov&#x2F;government-entities&#x2F;indian-tribal-govern...</a><p>&gt; <i>IRC Section 6050I requires that any person engaged in a trade or business that receives cash in excess of $10,000 in a single transaction or in related transactions must file Form 8300 PDF, Report of Cash Payments Over $10,000 Received in a Trade or Business.</i><p>So indeed it&#x27;s an anti-money laundering provision. No wonder this gets the NFT crowd all riled up. I mean, little cartoon drawings being &quot;bought&quot; for six figures don&#x27;t just sell themselves, right?
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rPlayer6554over 3 years ago
Undercook chicken? Right to jail.