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Mandate is hereby stayed pending further action by this court [pdf]

104 pointsby SQL2219over 3 years ago

11 comments

throwawayseaover 3 years ago
Reminder that before their hard left turn away from civil liberties and towards partisanship, the ACLU was against vaccine mandates: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.michigancapitolconfidential.com&#x2F;aclu-flip-flops-on-vaccine-mandates" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.michigancapitolconfidential.com&#x2F;aclu-flip-flops-...</a><p>Another interesting piece of the public conversation around mandates is the redefinition of the term vaccine (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.miamiherald.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;coronavirus&#x2F;article254111268.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.miamiherald.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;coronavirus&#x2F;article25411126...</a>). The CDC claims they redefined it away from the word “immunity” towards the word “protection” because no vaccine grants perfect immunity. Personally I find that to be a bad answer. By taking a weighty word like “vaccine” and redefining it, the expectations of risks and benefits the public holds were exploited. For the majority of the public, those who are under 50 and healthy, COVID poses little risk - it’s not much different from a typical seasonal flu. Personally I think getting an mRNA vaccine is a reasonable low-risk action but the risk of undergoing any medical intervention is nonzero, and it is higher for a novel technology. I bet that if the COVID vaccines were not called a vaccine, people would evaluate the risk reward trade off differently.
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Animatsover 3 years ago
Until next Tuesday. This is just a normal pretrial motion.
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falcolasover 3 years ago
TL;DR: 5th Court (based out of Texas) issued a stay against the OSHA vaccine mandate.
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smarx007over 3 years ago
Side note: this looks like a very well typeset document. Also, seems like the first use of Butterick&#x27;s fonts [1] by the courts?<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;practicaltypography.com&#x2F;mb-fonts.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;practicaltypography.com&#x2F;mb-fonts.html</a>
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thoughtstheseusover 3 years ago
OSHA estimates 6,500 lives will be saved by the mandate over six months or ~0.02% of the U.S. population. While there is uncertainty in these estimates, they are confident hundreds of lives will be saved. At first glance there seems to be many less politically fraught avenues of improving public health.
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015aover 3 years ago
The saddest part of all this is really the destruction of centrism. There&#x27;s a strong amount of nuance lost on both extremes in the common centrist opinion that &#x27;the vaccine is good, everyone should get the vaccine, public vaccine mandates may be premature.&quot; Primarily:<p>1. It doesn&#x27;t close the door on private vaccine mandates, which while certainly concerning to some on the fringe, aren&#x27;t as much of a hot topic.<p>2. It specifically calls out &quot;premature&quot;; one of the strongest pro-public vaccine mandate arguments is in their precedence. We absolutely do require vaccination in many situations, such as at grade schools or going to university. A critical, nuanced centrist opinion is simply the sense that these vaccines are extremely new; while they have scientifically demonstrated safety for the duration of the studies, and more generally perceived safety for the duration of their availability, both of these timelines pale in comparison to the timeframe many other commonly available vaccines have been available for.<p>3. Additionally, on the premature angle: We did have three highly effective vaccines in the US. This has been more-or-less reduced to two (as the J&amp;J&#x27;s efficacy is in such broad question, combined with their production issues, many vaccine sites aren&#x27;t offering it anymore). Public vaccine mandates would in-effect be a public backing of a private corporation&#x27;s revenue; the same people who rightly despise America&#x27;s military-industrial complex aren&#x27;t seeing the incredibly apt correlates to the increasing power of the public health-industrial complex.<p>4. Finally, on the premature angle: I strongly, in all walks of life, take the stance &quot;if a choice isn&#x27;t obvious, its because you don&#x27;t have enough data&quot;. The choice on public vaccine mandates, democratically, is undeniably Not Obvious; its obvious to many individuals, in both direction, and thus it is not obvious to the voting public in aggregate. Thus, doing nothing except gathering more data, which our public health institutions are quite great at, is the right course. This always crystalizes the correct choice.<p>In short, the issue has become too politicized; I feel the best course of action right now is for politicians to step back and let our doctors and scientists take the lead. With the increasing existence and availability of effective treatment options, combined with the increasing pro-vaccine population driving down infections, hospitalizations, and death; a public vaccine mandate may end up inflaming one side of the political spectrum, and hurting our economy by causing significantly increased turnover and vacancies in an already difficult climate for businesses, unnecessarily.
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qwertyuiop_over 3 years ago
If I am vaccinated for chicken pox why do I have to worry if my friend is not vaccinated for it and gets it ?<p>If Covid vaccination is a vaccination i true sense the above assumption should apply to it no ?<p>Also using a government agency intended for construction &#x2F; mining hard hat and fall safety for vaccinating people who don’t want to get vaccinated for personal medical reasons is outrageous. This is the kind of stuff that happens in a communist country like North Korea
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rp1over 3 years ago
I&#x27;m so sick of hearing about COVID-19...<p>The virus completely endemic at this point, it will never be eradicated. We have a vaccine that is effective and free to all who want it. Breakthrough infections happen, but not often and those who get them usually recover. Will I need to wear a mask for the rest of my life? Will I need to worry about my children staying home from school forever? I want to forget about the virus and get on with my life.
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redis_mlcover 3 years ago
The CDC head just testified that the CDC has not studied if previous corona infections confer immunity.<p>She refused to say if CDC staff were returning to work or what their vaccination rate was.<p>Not sure what they do all day. (My understanding is they have 3,000 staff.)
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rbobbyover 3 years ago
If the pandemic has taught me anything, it&#x27;s that the strangest thing about a zombie outbreak will be the zombie supporters.
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AnnoyedCommentover 3 years ago
Just because you think this thing is deadly doesn&#x27;t mean I have to have an injection. Go. Fuck. Yourself.
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