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The popularity of e-bikes isn’t slowing down

254 pointsby vwoolfover 3 years ago

41 comments

neonateover 3 years ago
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paulgbover 3 years ago
The thing that excites me most about e-bikes is that they change the politics around cycling. Proponents of efforts to make roads safer for cyclists have always gotten pushback from people who think that cycling is a niche hobby of rich lycra-clad yuppies.<p>With e-bikes becoming more common, I know a number of people who would not have touched a bike share but are using it as a replacement for Uber&#x2F;Lyft rides. People can cycle in to work without breaking a sweat.<p>It&#x27;s a bummer that so much legislation aimed at reducing emissions subtly encourages the use of cars without throwing any bones to people who would like to ride bikes, electric or not.
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kingsloiover 3 years ago
My wife and I experienced eBiking around downtown Chicago (Divvy&#x27;s eBike), and it literally re-ignited my love for biking, I really recommend it if you&#x27;re visiting Chicago! The bike path next to the lake is beautiful &amp; so fun! I think we biked about 15+ miles without breaking a sweat. We did it multiple times in the summer.<p>I live across the border in Indiana, and have wanted to bike on the beach&#x2F;dunes&#x2F;trails for years. I just bought a Specialized Fatboy with a BBSHD motor, can&#x27;t wait to get back out there.
mulmenover 3 years ago
I like that e-bikes are getting more people on two-wheeled transportation.<p>I dislike that people are effectively riding motorcycles on dedicated bike paths.<p>I especially dislike that companies get to profit from cluttering public spaces with bicycle and scooter litter.<p>My hope is that long-term we get the e-bikes into the street where they belong and combine that with traffic calming measures to make scooter commuting feasible from a safety perspective.
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monkmartinezover 3 years ago
I just built one with recycled laptop batteries... super fun to ride. It was a shit ton of work to do the batteries right, but I learned so much. Endless-Sphere is where my build thread is...<p>My bike is 2004 Specialized mountain bike. Bought the motor from ebay and just bolted it on. The battery lives in a home sewn bag I made which I velcro strapped to the frame. I have gone about 35mph on it. Do not recommend super high speeds unless you are a capable bike rider.<p>It looks like a mad max experiment. I just wanted to ride the thing and wire management is def an afterthought. I do not ride anywhere I can&#x27;t take it inside with me even though I only have about $500 into it. Too much work to risk theft.<p>So much fun to ride. Peeling out in dirt is thrilling on bicycle.
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kccqzyover 3 years ago
I really enjoyed my e-bike when I bought it in 2018 or so. The pedal assist really felt seamless: you can get to the top speed of 20mph by pedaling with as much effort as it took to get to maybe 12mph on a regular bike.<p>Unfortunately, the bike being worth thousands of dollars, it was a prime target for theft. My bike was stolen in San Jose and I decided to replace it with a sub-$1000 regular bike.
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Someone1234over 3 years ago
They&#x27;re an absolute legal minefield though.<p>For example around here you can get a ticket for using one on both cycle paths and also on roads with a 40 MpH speed limit. So you&#x27;re more legally limited than both a cyclist but also a moped user. The biggest reason why they&#x27;re popular here at all is that laws are selectively enforced.<p>None of this is e-bike&#x27;s fault of course, and the original Segway mostly failed because it too was banned from both footpaths but also many roads. Local city and states haven&#x27;t evolved much to include new modes of transport outside the traditional (although some would call that a blessing as they don&#x27;t want licensing&#x2F;mandatory insurance&#x2F;tax on e-bikes&#x2F;e-scooters).
blunteover 3 years ago
Not a criticism of e-bikes, but I discovered an unexpected danger related to e-bikes which was much less an issue with traditional bikes: when driving a car, it&#x27;s now much more difficult to judge how much time you need to pass a bike. I would say without hyperbole that it&#x27;s much more dangerous now, to the cars and the bikes.<p>I currently live in a Dutch village, so bikes and cars share rather narrow roads. The roads are narrow enough that two cars barely fit side by side. Normally when you&#x27;re approaching a bike from behind, you know you only need 2-3 seconds to pass it. If there&#x27;s oncoming traffic, you can easily judge if you have time to safely pass the bike, or if instead you should slow down and wait behind it.<p>But now that bike which would normally be moving 10-15kph may actually be an e-bike doing 24-ish kph. That&#x27;s quite a big difference. And if you&#x27;re doing 50-70 as you approach, it&#x27;s _very_ difficult to identify from a distance if that bike is going 12 or 24. It matters too, because it might take twice as long to pass as you would normally expect.<p>Of course we can adapt and take the safe approach, always slowing to the bike speed before deciding to pass. But not only is that rather aggravating to go from 70 to 15 and then accelerate to pass, but it&#x27;s wasteful on brakes and fuel. Also, if there&#x27;s any oncoming traffic further down the road, you&#x27;re much more likely to now be stuck behind that bike for an agonizingly long time.<p>For the cyclist, they will now be more at risk of a passing car misjudging and pulling back into the lane, cutting the bike off.<p>Tangentially related is the (new for cars) Tesla problem. That&#x27;s when you&#x27;re merging or needing to pass someone, and that someone is driving a Tesla and has a bad attitude. Historically it was pretty easy to judge if you had enough speed to pass someone; but now if that someone is driving a Tesla (or other new, performance oriented electric), they can decide to not allow you to pass by simply stepping on the throttle. They can so quickly accelerate that they can fill that spot which was safely available. If you&#x27;re not paying close attention (being prepared for something like that), or if you have nowhere else to go (merging, lane ending), you&#x27;re at great risk of accident.<p>So in summary, electric vehicles are dangerous! I jest, but they do indeed present some new challenges that don&#x27;t make them more welcome on the roads.
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ahoyover 3 years ago
I can imagine a world, maybe a generation or 2 from now, where our suburbs have shrunk to a bike-accessible scale. That would really, finally, be a step in the right direction.
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ripvanwinkleover 3 years ago
Adding a motor to a bike is like adding a GUI where previously you only had a command line interface. It increases the addressable market for bikes by at least 10X.
gorgoilerover 3 years ago
A major problem with electric pushbikes is that they are <i>fast</i>.<p>A few days ago I was pulling out of a side road. I was turning to go into town such that I had to first cross a lane of traffic going out of town.<p>I checked the crossing lane — nothing except for a guy in work clothes, no helmet, on a push bike. I checked the other direction and it was clear. I looked back towards town and got ready to start moving and…<p>HEY! The guy on the bike who was maybe 100 yards away before was now right in front of me. I was moments from pulling out in front of, or more like on top of him. He must have been doing 25-30mph without breaking a sweat.<p>It’s going to take a generation to re-learn our assumptions about what these vehicles mean. I wish, for their sake, they were speed limited to be like normal bicycles.
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zwiebackover 3 years ago
I&#x27;m a year-round non-e-bike commuter in Oregon. I love e-bikes but until you can ride without getting soaked it&#x27;ll be successful only part of the year in most of the US. We need something between the e-bike and golf-cart style EVs to fill the gap, some kind of sophisticated fairing or a 3 wheel format that isn&#x27;t super dorky.
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asdffover 3 years ago
The biggest hurdles with ebikes are their high cost relative to a cheap used bike (nicer ebikes are in used car territory) and likelyhood of theft in an urban area. It would probably help a lot of commutes if people had a safe place to park their bike or ebike at a train station or business or school where it won&#x27;t be stripped down for parts. Rental scooters and ebikes also suffer from this problem but it doesn&#x27;t matter as much since the company already puts a shelf life of one month for these sort of vehicles and budgets for this turnover, but when its your own personal vehicle if you walk out of your home before work and its been stolen you might get fired from your job worst case scenario. A car is a much harder thing to steal but even then, catalytic converter thefts have been surging. If you get comprehensive auto insurance that crime is covered at least, but some people can only afford liability. Not sure what insurance can cover bike theft. Maybe a renters insurance policy?
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hyperpallium2over 3 years ago
Fuelled by the smartphone battery revolution.<p>Like hydrofoil surfboards [1], one-wheel skateboards [2], electric paragliders [3]... what next!?<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=i9yCe6ibhzU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=i9yCe6ibhzU</a><p>2. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=XNqOU4jx62I" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=XNqOU4jx62I</a><p>3. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=BeayJZzaXjM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=BeayJZzaXjM</a>
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gnarcoregrizzover 3 years ago
Not surprised. They are a lot cheaper, easier to own than a car in cities, and are a lot of fun to ride.<p>A loud contingent view them as a scourge, calling for ebikes to be banned, or otherwise licensed, registered, and insured, which would eliminate them as a common mode of transport. Most of the people I see riding them around here are high-school aged who probably don&#x27;t care enough to deal with that. The next step up (moped) licensing requirements are more onerous than those of a car.
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gerbillyover 3 years ago
Every time I see a cycling story, I like to do a Cmd-F for the word &#x27;rules&#x27; to see how many rules pedants there are in the thread complaining about how cyclists don&#x27;t follow the rules of the road.¹<p>1. Apparently, cyclists have to follow each and every rule of the road—rules which were designed with cars in mind—in order to be allowed to be on the road, or I should say even to be allowed to _live._
jacquesmover 3 years ago
Timely, I just spent some time building a very large (2150 Wh) pack for my high speed e-bike. The manufacturer (Bosch) doesn&#x27;t sell anything that large, I use it as my car replacement and wanted a lot more range without having to swap batteries, as well as not to murder them by deep discharging them all the time.<p>And the margins on e-bikes (relatively speaking) are a lot higher than on cars.
kristjanssonover 3 years ago
One of the riskier aspects of e-bikes is the subversion of other road-user expectations. If I see someone on (what appears to be) a bike, feet on pedals, (apparently) coasting, a few decades of biking and driving lead me to expect that person to stop, or at least slow down. On an e-bike, though, they might maintain speed, or accelerate (!) without any change in attitude.<p>No harder to judge than a motorcycle, of course, but it will take time for &#x27;static person on bike&#x27; to connote &#x27;might accelerate without warning!&#x27; to the navigational lizard brain.
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0xbadcafebeeover 3 years ago
E-bikes themselves won&#x27;t revolutionize transportation, but micromobility will. If I ever get free time and a shop to work from, I want to build miniature go-karts so low-income disabled and elderly people can move around dense cities (<i>lots</i> of people can&#x27;t ride bikes) that are also covered from the elements. But urban infrastructure isn&#x27;t designed with this in mind, so even if I build them and people can afford them, they might not be practical. The hope is that e-bikes spurn a discussion towards more micromobility solutions to create a wider impact.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www2.deloitte.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;en&#x2F;insights&#x2F;focus&#x2F;future-of-mobility&#x2F;micro-mobility-is-the-future-of-urban-transportation.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www2.deloitte.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;en&#x2F;insights&#x2F;focus&#x2F;future-of-mob...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;jenniferdungs&#x2F;2021&#x2F;07&#x2F;19&#x2F;why-micromobility-deserves-a-front-seat-in-the-infrastructure-discussions&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;jenniferdungs&#x2F;2021&#x2F;07&#x2F;19&#x2F;why-mi...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;highways.dot.gov&#x2F;public-roads&#x2F;spring-2021&#x2F;micromobility-travel-mode-innovation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;highways.dot.gov&#x2F;public-roads&#x2F;spring-2021&#x2F;micromobil...</a>
darkwizard42over 3 years ago
I wonder which mapping platform will start to improve routing for the e-bike user. I find that currently using an e-bike I don&#x27;t get a very accurate ETA since the routes are calculated for regular bicycles (at least on Google Maps!). Also with an e-bike hills are no longer as large an issue as they would be to regular bikes so route decisions could be less roundabout.
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packetlostover 3 years ago
I&#x27;ve long been of the opinion that the real winner in the EV market will be personal vehicles (such as eBikes) and electric mass transit, not larger EVs such as cars in most urban environments.
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jameshushover 3 years ago
I’ve _loved_ using the publically available “YouBikes” since I’ve moved to Taipei. Because of the number of people using scooters cars pay a lot more attention then when I cycled in Los Angeles.<p>Not having a car and being able to bike and take transit around the city has been the most significant value add to my quality of life in a long time.
totetsuover 3 years ago
I&#x27;ve noticed 40% of the e-bike share use here in Big City Japan is by food-delivery-app riders, And another 40% is by people going full speed down the foot path.
osigurdsonover 3 years ago
I am amazed by what they have been able to do with e-mountain bikes. The battery and motor are barely discernible anymore. Not for me as I prefer to pedal but impressive nonetheless.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.specialized.com&#x2F;ca&#x2F;en&#x2F;s-works-turbo-kenevo-sl&#x2F;p&#x2F;199107?color=318020-199107" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.specialized.com&#x2F;ca&#x2F;en&#x2F;s-works-turbo-kenevo-sl&#x2F;p&#x2F;...</a>
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qq4over 3 years ago
I strapped a no-name Chinese kW hub motor kit and a nice battery on a $100 steel mountain bike I grabbed off Craigslist. I&#x27;ve ridden in downpours, through snow and ice you name it. The bike kicks butt and was way cheaper than a car, not to mention quiet and super easy maintenance. I&#x27;m not surprised they&#x27;re getting more popular. I hope small electric vehicles take over.
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wolverine876over 3 years ago
What is the solution for weather? Major cities in the US can regularly be in the 30s F (~0-5 C) in the winter. Add to that a nice 10-15 mph wind in your face from riding. And especially add snow and ice - or worse, rain or freezing rain - and I don&#x27;t see many people wanting to rely on an e-bike for unavoidable trips.
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Robotbeatover 3 years ago
They also don’t last as long (miles-wise, possibly time-wise as well?), so you may have the same person buying multiple bikes over time when the first one wears out or breaks or is stolen. Usually for electric cars, the vehicle enters the used market and doesn’t leave (for the junkyard) until 15-20 years and 200,000 miles later.
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fh973over 3 years ago
&gt; ... and have the potential to transform urban transit.<p>Not in Germany. Biking is and will stay irrelevant for daily transport as long as the infrastructure is a joke. Electric propulsion isn&#x27;t the missing link.<p>Interestingly you&#x27;ll find holiday areas that have biking infrastructure packed with older people on e-bikes.
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bluecalmover 3 years ago
I am very excited about e-bikes although I don&#x27;t own one yet. We need more people pushing for infrastructure and regulation changes. The biggest obstacle I see to mass adoption is bike theft problem. Until the crime is taken very seriously by the police which will likely need aggressive policing, setting traps and putting thieves in jail for many years (the police officer told me most thefts are committed by people already caught before) you will always live in fear of waking up in the morning to your main mean of transportation being gone unable to fulfill your professional&#x2F;personal commitments.<p>Until that starts changing I don&#x27;t think there will be many takers for an e-bikes unless you already own a car.
camkegoover 3 years ago
Is anyone else concerned about ebike fire risk? EBike fires in NYC have doubled since last year. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.consumerreports.org&#x2F;electric-bikes&#x2F;how-to-prevent-e-bike-fires-a2493889574&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.consumerreports.org&#x2F;electric-bikes&#x2F;how-to-preven...</a><p>&quot;E-bike ownership has skyrocketed in New York since the pandemic began, and with it, e-bike fires, according to the New York City Fire Department (FDNY). There have been 75 e-bike fires so far this year, which is on pace to double last year’s total, officials said. The fires have caused 72 injuries and three deaths.&quot;
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Tickleeover 3 years ago
The problem with e-bikes is that they have been hampered down so hard by regulations.<p>No throttle, only pedal assist, 250w motors maximum and no assist over 25km&#x2F;h turns it from the perfect future-proof vehicle for inner-city use and suburban commuting into a weird hybrid that isn&#x27;t fast enough to replace a light road bike, But also not strong enough to haul multiple saddlebags full of groceries up hills without breaking a sweat.
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r00fusover 3 years ago
My local bike shop ran out of bike models due to the supply chain issues and the only bikes available were e-bikes. Add to this that e-bikes have much higher revenue&#x2F;margin - most bike shops are converting shop space to sell e-bikes. I wonder if this contributed to e-bike sales?<p>Also I know a bunch of people waiting for legislation to promote EVs (ie, extend the tax credit) all year (may never happen).
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dirtyidover 3 years ago
I&#x27;d be more open to $1000+ bikes if there&#x27;s better anti-theft system&#x2F;mechanism. Some sort of registered biometric&#x2F;id&#x2F;rfid find my bike system that makes stealing bikes unprofitable and recovery easier. Expensive bikes are just too much of a PIA to own, especially in a large city.
cblconfederateover 3 years ago
The bigger problem is how to adapt roads to multi-form-factors. There are going to be cars, trucks, bikes, tricycles, and other battery-cars for all kinds of needs, and separate lanes are not the solution, in fact they may make the problem worse. Roads are woefully stuck in the two-lane-car system
FridayoLearyover 3 years ago
The politics now are about banning ice. The electric cars being more expensive makes this discriminatory against low earners. I wonder if it would be far more effective to ban large suv&#x27;s (uk). Of course e bikes and scooters are the way forward in cities.
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russellbeattieover 3 years ago
Mark my words: Apple will launch an ebike. (Well, they will if they&#x27;re smart.)
alephnanover 3 years ago
Is there a Tesla of bikes?
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tomcooksover 3 years ago
Biking is something that should be basically impact zero and provide you with lifelong DIY skills through simple mechanics. Get a proper bike, not a glorified scooter which will inevitably cost you a hefty fine in terms of bills, maintenance, and pollution
aehardingover 3 years ago
I love my ebike! Insanely practical.
DantesKiteover 3 years ago
Bikes are too dangerous. Read too many stories about people breaking their face. Not a fan. But if they change the way cities are designed, it can perhaps be a bit more safe.
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Mengkudulangsatover 3 years ago
I&#x27;m sorry, but I absolutely hate e-bikes.<p>We in Asia have figured the urban transit riddle long ago: Motorbikes or the more sustainable option; electric scooters [1]. If we are going to share the road, might as well everyone becomes capable of reaching similar speeds. E-bikes necessitate a cyclist lane for no good reason.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gogoro.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gogoro.com&#x2F;</a>
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