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German car that was super-aerodynamic but impractical

153 pointsby davesailerover 3 years ago

33 comments

gerdesjover 3 years ago
&quot;In 1942, engineers took a 130-horsepower Russian aircraft motor and bolted it to the back of the car for some test runs.&quot;<p>&quot;Test runs&quot; is likely a euphemism for &quot;got drunk and nearly killed themselves playing silly buggers&quot;. That thing is a steampunk precursor of the insanity that was the ME 163 Komet - just add wings and a leather flying hat with goggles!
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markvdbover 3 years ago
Two various tidbits:<p>- The inventor apparently managed to rescue several jewish people [0] when designing and prototyping for the Wehrmacht in Riga, Latvia.<p>- This immediately made me think of the little known Volkswagen 1-litre car [1]. Something like that with an electric drivetrain would be close to my ideal car...<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;de.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Karl_Schl%C3%B6r_von_Westhofen-Dirmstein" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;de.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Karl_Schl%C3%B6r_von_Westhofen...</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Volkswagen_1-litre_car" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Volkswagen_1-litre_car</a>
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dotancohenover 3 years ago
The Germans have had many super aerodynamic, but otherwise impractical cars over the years. Of recent note is the VW XL1, a recent production car with two people sitting diagonally:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Volkswagen_1-litre_car" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Volkswagen_1-litre_car</a>
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WalterBrightover 3 years ago
&gt; very vulnerable to crosswinds<p>So was the VW bus. I know from experience. It&#x27;s a very dangerous car on the highway when you&#x27;ve got a stiff crosswind. You have to cant the steering wheel into the wind. If you drive through a cut, the car will veer into the wind, and leaving the cut, it&#x27;ll will veer the other way. If you&#x27;re not anticipating this, you can find yourself in the other lane facing oncoming traffic.<p>I don&#x27;t miss that beast.
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undebuggableover 3 years ago
Before entering the post I was certain it&#x27;s about Tropfenwagen [1] displayed in e.g. Technikmuseum in Berlin. Either way for the newly constructed highways they indeed shifted to aerodynamic cars with the body extending over the front wheels, but to the model ...cough... &quot;borrowed&quot; from Czechoslovakian Tatra [2].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rumpler_Tropfenwagen" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Rumpler_Tropfenwagen</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tatra_87" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tatra_87</a>
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alisweover 3 years ago
8l &#x2F; 100km? thats in the ballpark of my prius 2006, that consumes around 7l&#x2F;100km. but this was 1939 ... have we come so non-far?<p>whats in play here? weight? fuel quality? engine? ...
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formerly_provenover 3 years ago
Another overly aerodynamic car from a few years earlier - Mercedes-Benz W 125, which set a speed record that wasn&#x27;t outdone for some 80 years. Incidentally, someone tried to outdo them and killed themselves in doing so, which ended car manufacturers going for new records.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mercedes-Benz_W125_Rekordwagen" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mercedes-Benz_W125_Rekordwagen</a>
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hn_throwaway_99over 3 years ago
Random question: how were very accurate curves like that machined in the 1930s? What was the process for creating the tooling that could create that kind of curved aluminum so accurately back then?
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2dvisioover 3 years ago
Apparently quite similar to what Alfa tried much earlier on <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.museoalfaromeo.com&#x2F;it-it&#x2F;collezione&#x2F;Pages&#x2F;A-L-F-A--4060-HP-Aerodinamica.aspx" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.museoalfaromeo.com&#x2F;it-it&#x2F;collezione&#x2F;Pages&#x2F;A-L-F-...</a>
wfmeover 3 years ago
This looks vaguely similar to the Volkswagen XL1 [0] - similar internal layout but with a much longer nose.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Volkswagen_1-litre_car" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Volkswagen_1-litre_car</a>
jacquesmover 3 years ago
That&#x27;s a beauty, shape is reminiscent of the Dymaxion.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=YlLZE23EJKs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=YlLZE23EJKs</a>
clouddroverover 3 years ago
A present day German car with a drag coefficient of 0.200: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnet.com&#x2F;roadshow&#x2F;news&#x2F;2022-mercedes-benz-eqs-ev-most-aerodynamic-car&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnet.com&#x2F;roadshow&#x2F;news&#x2F;2022-mercedes-benz-eqs-ev...</a><p>A present day American three-wheeler with a drag coefficient of 0.13: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aptera.us&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aptera.us&#x2F;</a>
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otsdrover 3 years ago
Also somewhat related, the Persu Streamliner (1923):<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dwrenched.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;dwrenched-special.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dwrenched.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;dwrenched-special.html</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Aurel_Persu" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Aurel_Persu</a>
dghughesover 3 years ago
I watched a video about EVs and it mentioned aerodynamics. It compared a new EV to a Tesla the EV discussed had a drag coefficient of 0.2 the Tesla was 0.2008. That tiny difference meant the non-Tesla had 50km more range all things equal (except the drag coefficient).
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trompover 3 years ago
This modern take on the super-aerodynamic shaves another 30% off the Schlörwagen&#x27;s already low drag coefficient of 0.186:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=bDMqEmUGxX4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=bDMqEmUGxX4</a>
rapnieover 3 years ago
I saw a documentary the other day (&quot;Tegenlicht&quot; [0]) about full-solar cars and the quest of Lightyear One [1] to maximize aerodynamics while still being a comfortable family car. Early models still come with hefty price tag, but I really liked the design.<p>[0] (Dutch) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vpro.nl&#x2F;programmas&#x2F;tegenlicht&#x2F;kijk&#x2F;afleveringen&#x2F;2021-2022&#x2F;Rijden-op-zon.html#" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vpro.nl&#x2F;programmas&#x2F;tegenlicht&#x2F;kijk&#x2F;afleveringen&#x2F;...</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Lightyear_One" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Lightyear_One</a>
black6over 3 years ago
Similar in appearance, drivetrain layout, and problems as the Dymaxion Car.
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perl4everover 3 years ago
Based on the headline, I thought of this from 1939, before the Porsche cars that most people recognize:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Porsche_64" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Porsche_64</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;upload.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wikipedia&#x2F;commons&#x2F;e&#x2F;e9&#x2F;VW_Typ_60_K_10_-_Porsche_Typ_64_%28Berlin-Rom-Wagen%29%2C_Bj.1939.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;upload.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wikipedia&#x2F;commons&#x2F;e&#x2F;e9&#x2F;VW_Typ_6...</a>
rkagererover 3 years ago
Those aesthetics! Looks like the type of vehicle Apple would design.
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jsightover 3 years ago
This reminds me a lot of what Aptera is doing. It really pushes efficiency to the extreme limits of what might be practical.
_carbyau_over 3 years ago
My first thought is &quot;based on a wing? That&#x27;d give it uplift...&quot;<p>I love the curved glass on these cars though. I recently fell in love with the Alfa Stradale 33, one aspect being the curved glass.<p>But then I have other ideas&#x2F;desires with cars, not all of them compatible with either sensibilities&#x2F;reality&#x2F;each-other.
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pepoluanover 3 years ago
Reminds me a bit of Citroen DS, which was also revolutionary aerodynamic. Yet practical. And VERY popular.<p>Here&#x27;s a video about the DS&#x27;s aerodynamics: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=iD1_WQQAwzw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=iD1_WQQAwzw</a>
bookofjoeover 3 years ago
Buckminster Fuller&#x27;s 1933 Dymaxion car: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washedashore.com&#x2F;projects&#x2F;dymax&#x2F;pictures.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washedashore.com&#x2F;projects&#x2F;dymax&#x2F;pictures.html</a>
tppiotrowskiover 3 years ago
“consumed 8 liters of fuel per 100 kilometers – 20 and 40 percent less fuel than the reference vehicle.”<p>How efficient are modern vehicle designs in terms of drag? Are we 90% efficient or do we sacrifice a lot of mpg’s for attractive body styling?
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TylerEover 3 years ago
The Tatras,starting with the 87, were a more practical take...<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tatra_87" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tatra_87</a>
ameliusover 3 years ago
I&#x27;ve seen bicycles with a hull shaped like this. E.g.,<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=MIsa0L5UNgs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=MIsa0L5UNgs</a>
camillomillerover 3 years ago
&gt; In 1942, engineers took a 130-horsepower Russian aircraft motor and bolted it to the back of the car for some test runs.<p>The good old “warum nicht?” of Nazi engineers…
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OneTimePetesover 3 years ago
Imagine for a moment using the ground effect to reduce transport load- and re-engage with the ground on need for breaking and steering.
WalterBrightover 3 years ago
&gt; Schlörwagen was a wing on wheels.<p>Meaning it will lift at higher speeds. Oops!
smolderover 3 years ago
This is very reminiscent of Buckminster Fuller&#x27;s 3 wheeled rear-steering car.
olivermarksover 3 years ago
I always thought the Schlörwagen would make a great BEV
mhh__over 3 years ago
Is the &quot;bionic fish car&quot; mentioned on Top Gear descended from it?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;ri3CUzsv7Gg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;ri3CUzsv7Gg</a>
anonymousismeover 3 years ago
Is that Elon Musk in the photo?