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Show HN: We made a spam-free lyric search engine

291 pointsby songrabbitover 13 years ago

64 comments

morschover 13 years ago
Lots of AJAX with no state in the url. Means I can't send my friends to a search results page (bad) or to a lyrics page (worse).
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blauwbilgorgelover 13 years ago
What is your view on copyright?<p>In 2006 the MPA had a crackdown on tablature and lyrics websites. I am not a lawyer, but I am pretty sure you can't just publish all lyrics, without infringing here and there.<p>What is your view on scraping?<p>It is unlikely you entered all lyrics yourself, but used an existing database. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable scraping or fetching my content from a site that hosts advertisements, and then republish those without advertisements. Did you find access to an opensource database, or is the service here more like a reversed Adblock?
Major_Groovesover 13 years ago
I remember someone once posted about running one of these lyrics sites. I can't remember if I found it here or elsewhere.<p>Anyway, their point was that with a lyrics website, someone only wants to go to the website to find the lyrics. Once they have the lyrics they have no desire to look at other other lyrics - they arrive and then leave/bounce immediately. That is why the adverts on these sites are so spammy. They have to hammer you with adverts in that brief moment you are on the website, because you are not going to click through and engage with the site anywhere else. Also, since you probably don't even know what website you are on, you don't have any "lyric website loyalty", so it doesn't even matter if the ads are massively spammy.<p>I guess then the challenge is to make a website that somehow encourages engagement so the it doesn't have to be so spammy.
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biturdover 13 years ago
According to the legal, you are not storing the lyrics. If that is the case, where are you sourcing them from? Can you give a little background on how the site works, what it runs on and other interesting details?
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SwellJoeover 13 years ago
Add chord charts, and I'll be a regular user. The existing tab/chord sites are just as bad as the lyrics sites for spamminess and nasty Flash ads (they're the one site I use regularly that leads me to want to install AdBlock).
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txtover 13 years ago
Nice clean cut site..I have a few suggestions to separate you guys from the others...I would make a 'bookmarklet', a few lines of js, that will spawn a input box asking for artist/track..OR the script can manipulate the current page they are on now, by copying what they have selected, because I know alot of people including myself, who see part of a lyric from a site, or facebook, and want to find the rest....Make a nice image, with the script as the url, and instructions for the user to drag it to there bookmarks toolbar so they can search even if they aren't at your site..Also, just as buro9 was saying..... Song Meanings/Interpretations/Understanding... People LOVE this, and here is a great example of it-&#62; Say 'Harry &#38; Sally' start dating..They both go to each of there homes after there date... and sally decides to post a song on her facebook about how she feels at that moment...Now Harry is wondering if this girl is really diggin him, or looking for a serious relationship etc..So over at his house, harry logs on facebook and sees that sally just posted a song just after ther date!!! What's harry going to do??? Look up those lyrics! And he might not completely understand the meaning of the song so he looks at what others have interpreted the song as...he now sees that sally doesnt want him to speak, she knows what hes feeling... (no doubt) lol just kidding but really, crazy example...I know first hand that this goes on alot..aha but anyway, ill post some more ideas soon!
HaloZeroover 13 years ago
What's wrong with <a href="http://lyrics.wikia.com/Main_Page" rel="nofollow">http://lyrics.wikia.com/Main_Page</a>?<p>(I really should have posted this as reply to when you mention there are no spam free lyric search engines)
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mturmonover 13 years ago
The idea is great.<p>The search responses fail to find a lot of pretty standard songs (girls want to be with the girls fails to return the talking heads song, helicopter fails to return the xtc song, books about ufos fails to return the husker du song, ...). And september gurls returns the bangles cover ...
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buro9over 13 years ago
Back in 1997 when I and three others ran a record label called Jeepster, we had a few great bands on our label: Belle &#38; Sebastian, Salako and Snow Patrol. (OK, Snow Patrol were less than great then, and perhaps now.)<p>One of the things I figured I should make was a web site in which fans were able to communicate with each other, the theory was simply that:<p>1) If fans kept the interest high between releases they'd be there still when we came with a new release<p>2) If someone was looking for a lyric or something they'd heard and we helped them find it, we might convert a stray passer-by into a fan<p>So I built something that you'd now call a crowd-sourcing site.<p>For every track, people could submit:<p>* Lyrics<p>* Mis-hearings<p>* Personal memories the lyrics evoke<p>* Interpretations/Understanding of the Lyrics<p>* Tablature for different instruments<p>All of which were votable so that the best tablature rose to the top, but others (perhaps harder ones) were still available.<p>It was highly compelling, you came for the lyrics but stayed for the personal memories and insight.<p>As a label we felt it was hugely successful. It definitely paid back in keeping the interest of fans, increasing that interest and creating new fans.<p>It worked so well that NME nominated us for best web site in their awards ceremony in early 2000 because they'd never seen a site in which the content was mostly created by fans and that the fans loved.<p>I left the label in 2000 to do other things. The system ticked over for a while, but the label never replaced me with another technically inclined person and when they wanted to change the styling of the song system they broke the PERL script and left it broke before taking it offline. Such a shame really.<p>Since then, whenever I look up lyrics, I've wondered why there isn't a comprehensive crowd-sourcing of all of the information around a song in the same vein that I did it, but including things like when it's been performed live or recorded in radio sessions. A real database about a song, what it means, who's covered it, how to play it, what it means.<p>The business model would be to sell stuff related to the song, affiliate fees for MP3 downloads and CD sales, affiliate link for the purchase of the official tablature books. Keep it simple, and keep adverts off of it. A wikipedia solely for songs and everything about a song.<p>The cost per transaction and storage is incredibly low as it's just text. And you could probably negotiate with publishing companies as right now they don't even get credit for this stuff let alone increased opportunity to sell what they have.<p>The PERL script in 1997 wasn't more than a simple thing that used flat files as a database for the 200+ tracks we'd released to then. Nowadays, for the complexity we're talking about, a weekend project in Django would suffice as a first pass. The hardest thing is just talking to the publishers, but truly, it's not as hard as some people imagine, there are fewer publishers than there are record labels.
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omarchowdhuryover 13 years ago
Most of the traffic to lyric sites originate from long-tail search keywords (414 million global broad match monthly searches for lyrics). Your site has no Googlebot crawlable data, barring you from participating in a share of the long-tail search volume.
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hammockover 13 years ago
How about moving the logo, search box, and nav to the side when showing lyrics so that I don't have to scroll so far down below the fold to read what I searched for?<p>Snippets would be good too (as Google etc does) to confirm you have the right song
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mikecaneover 13 years ago
Not "Songbunny" because "Songrabbit" quickly read can also be read as "Song Grabbit." Clever.
TeMPOraLover 13 years ago
It's great, and I'll definitely be using it!<p>Please add a GET-param based search, e.g. <a href="http://songrabbit.com/search?q=sabaton+primo+victoria" rel="nofollow">http://songrabbit.com/search?q=sabaton+primo+victoria</a> (BTW., no results :(), so that we could add it to browsers as webjumps/quick searches/however it's called - e.g. so that I could type just: 'l sabaton primo victoria', and the browser would take me to your site :).
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songrabbitover 13 years ago
Alright, HN, I'm out for the night. Leave a comment here or email songrabbit@songrabbit.com if you have any more suggestions or complaints. Godspeed
gabebwover 13 years ago
2 things:<p>1) Please show the first few lines of the song under each result<p>2) Please stack the results like traditional &#60;li&#62;s - the "cloud" effect makes them very hard to scan.
LiveTheDreamover 13 years ago
I just see a rabbit with headphones, and some low-contrast links to a legal page and a contact email. Is something broken?
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utungaover 13 years ago
A great idea - I have a real need for this and loathe absolutely loathe the experience on existing sites. No idea how you turn this into a business though.<p>A bigger, happier font and bigger text search box would be easier and nice<p>I tried searching for 'Que Cera' which the definitive version was that performed by Doris Day, surely, as evidenced by first results on google, wikipedia etc.. however your results were hannah montana (twice?) and a bunch of other folks singing songs not necessarily including the words 'Que Cera' in not including the 'definitive' version of this song.<p>One of the <i>other</i> things I hate about the existing lyrics sites is that they often get it wrong.. for instance for a favorite song of mine transforming the lyric 'its not a race' to 'it is a race' (which kinda is the whole point of that song). Reliability would be a reason I'd go back to a site I trust.
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danteembermageover 13 years ago
I decided to test you a little bit and search for a lyric from a Janis Joplin song Another Little Piece of my Heart, "you know you got it when it makes you feel good" Without quotes this does not produce the song. Maybe increase the weight in the search results from keywords being located next to each other?
serichsenover 13 years ago
I find it really irritating that this site requires cookies to be settable for the display to work.
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mleonhardover 13 years ago
When showing results, how about showing a snippet of each song where the search terms appear, with the terms hilighted?<p>Also list the name of the song and the artist. For songs that have been performed by many artists, you could add "Also by AAA, BBB, and CCC."
dpetrovover 13 years ago
Is there a good reason why the lyrics text is not right-aligned? I understand symmetry looks better in such a design, but it's much easier to follow along with a song when you don't have to consciously look for the beginning of the next line.
JoshTriplettover 13 years ago
Nice! Sadly, the first lyric I thought to try ("song that doesn't end") didn't work. :)<p>The links at the upper right are so faint they almost disappear; a bit more contrast, please.<p>How do you plan to deal with the copyright issues that will inevitably get thrown at you? Your "legal" link says you don't store any copyrighted material, but I don't see any evidence that you load it from elsewhere, and in any case that hasn't protected the numerous "link sites" out there. I personally think you've done something awesome and reasonable here, but you <i>will</i> get hit by this at some point.
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NickNamover 13 years ago
I like Dennis (and what he's all about) and the site is very clean! Nice.
snikchover 13 years ago
But now where will I get ring tones for my motorola V3?<p>Seriously though, I like it.
perlgeekover 13 years ago
I like it, just needs some polishing:<p>* Black text in dark gray boxes is hard to read<p>* The logo takes up too much vertical screen space<p>* You should really point to your sources<p>* Some meta information (song writer, year) would be nice.<p>* noscript tags are missing
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songrabbitover 13 years ago
Standard search techniques work (ex put the query in quotes for exact match). Also the text under the logo is editable by anyone, so you see the most recent change.
karlztover 13 years ago
fix the typo on <a href="http://www.songrabbit.com/legal.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.songrabbit.com/legal.php</a><p>&#62;&#62;an innovative <i>seach</i> interface
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fefzeroover 13 years ago
A few things:<p>1) I just tried a query (weezer "buddy holly") that had worked a couple of days ago but didn't now (it didn't work with quotes, either).<p>2) I miss the back button and, as others have said, the ability to bookmark anything<p>3) It would be nice to see the song title on the lyrics page. I know it's sometimes still in the search box, but I do miss it if I've changed my search (or if I just searched by artist).
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artursapekover 13 years ago
I searched for "Grizzly Bear Ready" looking for "Ready, Able" and got TechN9ne songs. Where are you scraping your data from?
ericmsimonsover 13 years ago
I did something similar to this a year or two ago (<a href="http://www.lyricfuser.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lyricfuser.com</a>)<p>I'm not sure how you guys are scraping the lyrics, but almost all of the large lyric sites ended up blocking my server's IP. You should do this in Javascript if possible to avoid getting blocked. Looks great though!
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ShardPhoenixover 13 years ago
I can't figure out how to do anything here. I click the text below the logo and it disappears, and nothing else happens.
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norovaover 13 years ago
The site is breakable by simply entering '&#60;a href="#"&#62;&#60;/a&#62;' in the logo text box. Just a heads up. :)
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ashcairoover 13 years ago
Do you have any plans on including timestamps for the lyrics, so I could know when in the song the lyric is sung?
waterside81over 13 years ago
Here's a feature request: show a real-time stream of the searches people are doing. Reading some of the comments here, I'm intrigued as to what comes to people's minds when they try this service out. For example, I searched for "Under the Bridge" by Red Hot Chili Peppers. Why? I have no idea.
riffraffover 13 years ago
can you compare to <a href="http://instalyrics.com/" rel="nofollow">http://instalyrics.com/</a> ?
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bitopsover 13 years ago
Great start - glad someone finally did this. And it's good - I searched for "meet your downstairs" and the Amy Winehouse song I was looking for came up.<p>Maybe add a way for users to submit new lyrics? I don't know any of the legal implications.
GeneTraylorover 13 years ago
I love what you're trying to do, but how will you monetize this? Will you pursue amazon based referrals for songs? (I'm guessing it won't add up unless you have scale) Or will you try to launch a "premium" service?
aaronjgover 13 years ago
When I go to the site (Firefox &#38; Chrome on Linux), I can't enter any search. I see the logo, with the text 'Song Rabbit' below, and when I click on the text it disappears. But I don't see any text input fields.
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gravityblastover 13 years ago
Hi, I made instalyrics.com using the search API provided by musixmatch.com, there is also an extension for chrome here <a href="http://insta.ly/.chrome" rel="nofollow">http://insta.ly/.chrome</a>
beakerover 13 years ago
I like the publicly editable tagline, it seems like a fun idea. There was something about sexual relations with bunnies however when I visited the site. Maybe a keyword filter would help?
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streptomycinover 13 years ago
If this was remotely legal, Google would have done it 10 years ago.
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jiipee_2over 13 years ago
Minimalism is nice, but take a look how for example Facebook shows a link to this site. Too minimalist. (This of course does not matter if you don't want the link to be shared).
vjeuxover 13 years ago
You should put a link to the original source. Even if their website is full of ads they deserve credit for the lyrics. Also in case of mistakes we have somewhere to report to.
fenigerover 13 years ago
Plus one on "Less-than three" in legal Colon Right-Parenthesis
martinkallstromover 13 years ago
I like the idea of allowing users to personalize the slogan under your rabbit logo. Was it put there on a whim or is there an elaborate theory behind it?
rudleover 13 years ago
You should integrate more sites (assuming that's how this works). A query that I expect to work is "Simeon's Dilemma", which currently returns no results.
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Khromaover 13 years ago
Super cool, I enjoy the clean interface. Changing the URL would be nice for linking. Lyric sites are pretty bad ATM.<p>How do you plan to get revenue, if there are no ads?
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9999over 13 years ago
You have the lyrics for lightsabre cocksucking blues. There is no spam. You will be my first stop for lyrics searches from now on. Thanks.
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jcampbell1over 13 years ago
Nice work, I typed "pompatous" and the results were spot on. I wish some one would give your a good domain name... maybe jig.com.
fenigerover 13 years ago
Almost all search results contain the word "lyrics" in them, you can remove that and enhance the minimalistic view of the webpage
songrabbitover 13 years ago
Thanks so much for the sugestions! Sorry if I'm not getting to your comment individually - my internet has been hurricane'd
serialpreneurover 13 years ago
That feels oddly strange on a lyrics site. To not being bombarded with Google Ads left, right &#38; center!<p>Thanks for the clean interface.
onlawschoolover 13 years ago
"the text under the logo is editable by anyone, so you see the most recent change." -- Did this function cause an error?
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iamdaveover 13 years ago
FINALLY!!<p>Thank you so much for this. Is there a search API?
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timcedermanover 13 years ago
Kudos - I tried something reasonably obscure: Jebediah - Military Strongmen and it got it.
johnx123-upover 13 years ago
Nice. I once used LyricsAMP and that was fantastic (right now it's dead)
cool-RRover 13 years ago
Please put keyboard focus on the search box when entering the website.
tszmingover 13 years ago
I doubt you are completely legal (I am not a lawyer anyway), as the contents are delivered via your own API: <a href="http://www.songrabbit.com/php/retrieve.php?i=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.songrabbit.com/php/retrieve.php?i=0</a>
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onlawschoolover 13 years ago
It isn't working for me. Tried Safari and Firefox.
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rosariomover 13 years ago
what technologies/architecture you guys use behind the scenes to power this site? pretty damn cool site by the way :)
jamesgaganover 13 years ago
looks nice and clean, but i'm pretty sure you need to licence lyrics or you may run into trouble...
cool-RRover 13 years ago
Please increase the font size.
rguzmanover 13 years ago
higher contrast, bigger fonts
rorrrover 13 years ago
Don't people use google for this?
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