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Launch HN: Parade (YC S20) – Launch your company without hiring a designer

179 pointsby alexrayover 3 years ago
Hey HN! We’re Alex and David, the founders of Parade (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getparade.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getparade.com</a>). Parade uses software to guide founders through early branding decisions, including designing a basic logo, selecting fonts, selecting colors, and defining their company’s overall aesthetic.<p>A lot of early stage founders are incredible engineers, but lack the ability to make things look “right”. We’ve seen a bunch of our friends launch products to no reception, some of which seemed due to poor design decisions (like, making buttons hard to find or a landing page that looks like it might steal your credit card).<p>Two years ago, two of my closest friends started a company, raised a small round, and spent tens of thousands of dollars on their initial branding. That was a substantial percentage of their funding, and then their brand entirely changed once they learned more about their customer. After I saw them waste a ton of time and money on this, I realized that it ought to be possible to build software that could have done just as good of a job as the design agency. At the core of it, the designers asked my friends a bunch of questions about how they want their company to be perceived by customers, offered them colors and fonts and a design aesthetic that conveyed those feelings, and then created a mockup of a website that incorporated those elements. So, I decided to build software to do just that.<p>With Parade, we have taken a traditional brand design interview and turned it into a self-serve software product. You answer a series of questions about how you want your brand to be perceived and receive design aesthetic suggestions based on them. We use machine learning to identify design elements (such as fonts, colors, layouts, use of color, density of information, line and button styles, and visuals) that project the way you want your brand to feel, then present them to you as simple choices. To power the suggestions, we collected training data from both designers and non-designers to understand what emotional reactions these design elements evoke. Because of this technology, we are able to identify the design aesthetics that you want without having to iterate repeatedly or spend hours searching for inspiration. After you make your choices, we use the math behind design theory (such as an algorithm to expand one color into a range of colors that accounts for the difference in perceived contrast based on hue, saturation, and lightness) to flesh out your brand [0].<p>Right now, after onboarding, you are able to access all of your design elements in a style guide for free through the dashboard. It includes your colors and your fonts, plus a place to download your logo and icon in a few colors. You can see an example of what this looks like here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;app.getparade.com&#x2F;hackernews&#x2F;style-guide" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;app.getparade.com&#x2F;hackernews&#x2F;style-guide</a> or here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;app.getparade.com&#x2F;hooli&#x2F;style-guide" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;app.getparade.com&#x2F;hooli&#x2F;style-guide</a>. This is similar to the output startups get from a first engagement with a designer, which helps you set up basic, consistent styling for your website and social media profiles.<p>At this point, we’ve helped thousands of companies create their brands, including YC-backed companies like WellPrincipled (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wellprincipled.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wellprincipled.com&#x2F;</a>), Enable (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.enable.us&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.enable.us&#x2F;</a>) and MeterFeeder (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.meterfeeder.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.meterfeeder.com&#x2F;</a>).<p>The next step beyond style guides would be to automatically generate brand assets—things like pitch decks, landing pages, and social media posts. We&#x27;re working on that. We haven&#x27;t completely automated it yet, but we are able to create these assets with very rapid turnaround time. Once we get it fully automated, we plan to add subscription features that enable founders to make ready-to-use assets themselves.<p>In the meantime, we run an agency, serving customers using our work-in-progress software. It’s different from a traditional agency, though—while traditional agencies spend many days asking you about how you want your brand to look, seeking inspiration, and iterating based on your feedback, we are able to capture what you describe through our onboarding survey and create assets with your design elements algorithmically. We are able to deliver most designs within 48 hours, and almost all of our customers have been satisfied without any iteration. Right now, a lot of the algorithmic design work happens via an in-house Figma plugin, which we plan to move onto our platform in 2022 and open up to self-service.<p>Something that’s surprised us while working on this: we’ve found that our users don’t always believe that their choices are really great. Design is intimidating—you’re aware that there is some psychology of color and also some color theory rules, but aren’t exactly sure what they are. You’ve built things in the past that just didn’t look quite right—how can you be sure the choices you made on Parade are good? Oftentimes, designers will even use words to make themselves seem to know some secret you don’t. We’re trying to reassure our users by surfacing more of the science behind the suggestions we make, and to make sure we encode rules that prevent certain common mistakes.<p>We would love to hear your thoughts, questions, concerns, or ideas about what we’re building - or about your experiences with automating design in general. We appreciate all feedback and suggestions!<p>[0] See <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.w3.org&#x2F;TR&#x2F;AERT&#x2F;#color-contrast" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.w3.org&#x2F;TR&#x2F;AERT&#x2F;#color-contrast</a> for math on color contrast, or <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;alienryderflex.com&#x2F;hsp.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;alienryderflex.com&#x2F;hsp.html</a> for a good writeup on perceived brightness.

30 comments

mottossoover 3 years ago
A lot of positives in the comments so far, I&#x27;ll chime in with at least <i>one</i> negative that I&#x27;m not entirely confident with, but here goes.<p>A startup&#x27;s branding is an early indicator of a teams commitment and skill. Even with todays Bootstrap themes I sometimes get fooled into thinking a product or service has dedication behind it when it turns out to be a smoke screen to test the market for interest. This kind of service accelerates this effect; now the ones who do commit and carry the skill and experience to pull off a successful startup will be competing against - as was already mentioned in this thread - personal projects or founders with no regard or respect for branding. What if the tables were turned: &quot;Got a great marketing team but no interest in features or solving a real problem? Our AI can fix that for you!&quot;. Should such a team succeed?<p>I said I wasn&#x27;t entirely confident about this, because I also realise this is what progress looks like and it is a natural step forwards in the direction we&#x27;re headed. But is it a destination we want to reach?
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artembugaraover 3 years ago
I think you nailed a big problem. My co-founder and I were 2 engineers when we started our bootstrapped venture. One thing I knew for sure: our &quot;design taste&quot; is awful.<p>It took me one full day to find a website builder that would have pre-built options of design. I found Landen (now called Umso: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.umso.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.umso.com&#x2F;</a>)<p>Our website (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;newscatcherapi.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;newscatcherapi.com&#x2F;</a>) is still on Umso, and I&#x27;m happy with it.<p>However, fonts, logo, mails, etc. I&#x27;d love to have it all together at the very beginning.
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fishtoasterover 3 years ago
Well this is amazing!<p>This would be an amazing fit for my side projects that are a <i>little</i> more serious than &quot;do my own 30s design,&quot; but not nearly so serious (yet) as &quot;find, manage, and pay a freelance designer&quot;.<p>And it seems like a great business too. The upsell prices are a little hefty for side project, but if I build a project on this that gets a bit of traction, a few hundred bucks for a landing page &#x2F; ui library &#x2F; marketing email template starts to seem pretty attractive. Especially if it lets me put of &quot;use a real designer&quot; until a little further along in the product&#x27;s lifecycle. :)
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kareemmover 3 years ago
Your HN headline made me click instantly. I&#x27;m a technical founder and generally gotten by on a combination of Bootstrap templates, Logo creation services, and some tactical production design.<p>I&#x27;ve used Looka in the past for our company Savio (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.savio.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.savio.io</a>). How are you different from them?
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todd3834over 3 years ago
Having used a few tools in this space I&#x27;m kind of jaded. I&#x27;m not sure what I was expecting but not this. WOW this works really great! Great work, very very well executed. I am definitely a customer
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d--bover 3 years ago
I am throwing this out here, and I don&#x27;t mean to offend, but raw feedback may be useful to you: I think your own logo looks terrible. Both the pictogram and the font. And the favicon. The animation of the logo in the video is great though.<p>Sorry, maybe I am the only one who thinks this, but it clearly has an impact on how I rate your expertise...<p>Your customer&#x27;s logos look nice though...
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candiddevmikeover 3 years ago
I like this a lot, I went through it and generated some assets. I ran into a couple of issues though:<p>- I don&#x27;t trust myself picking colors, fonts, etc, and I&#x27;m worried that when I go to buy a UI template or whatever my terrible decision for colors won&#x27;t be &quot;fixed&quot;. I&#x27;d much rather pay you to go through this with me based on my inputs and trust your expertise.<p>- For typography, do people really use custom typography? Not only does it add bloat to your bundles, it seems defaulting to the system UI provides a better UX?<p>- For colors, I really want an entire palette for both light and dark mode. I don&#x27;t see an option for dark mode at all, is this possible?<p>- I was worried your pricing would be obscene since you can&#x27;t get to it without going through the process, but it&#x27;s actually very reasonable. I think you should let people know up front what the pricing is, don&#x27;t be afraid of showing it.<p>Great idea though!!
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mike_dover 3 years ago
Is the unicode line separator in &quot;Never deal with another freelancer&quot; a cheeky jab at freelancers or did you not test across devices?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;snipboard.io&#x2F;kzcIhm.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;snipboard.io&#x2F;kzcIhm.jpg</a>
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lasryaricover 3 years ago
Your headline talks to me a lot.<p>If you can deliver on your promise then I would definitely be a user and a customer.<p>I am a software engineer and the design part is always a big problem for me, until a friend and ex-colleague of mine arrives.
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JonathanBuchhover 3 years ago
I love how I instantly found fonts I love. It took me less than three minutes. Great product!
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habosaover 3 years ago
I&#x27;m a software engineer trying to learn more design. My wife is a freelance brand strategist who formerly worked at a top design agency. We were both very impressed with this product!<p>While there are certainly imperfections, it&#x27;s starting from a really great place. The two things that set it apart:<p>1) Start with adjectives and attribute, not colors and symbols. I was impressed that the &quot;quiz&quot; was useful and made me think about what I want my company to be. 2) Present the final output in the same way that a professional design studio would. Getting an auto-generated style guide deck that looks 85% as good as something most studios spend many hours (and dollars) generating manually was very manual.<p>That said I think the color picking algorithm needs some work. Neither of us was very happy with the color options presented. We loved the fonts though, and refining &quot;the algorithm&quot; is probably the easiest part.<p>Question for the team (if they&#x27;re here): if I pay $399 for a landing page or $X for another of your assets are those all auto-generated as well or is there a human in the loop?
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awillenover 3 years ago
This is a really great idea, and I love the business model of selling future design work after you&#x27;ve already given your customer a bunch of value for free. I&#x27;d honestly consider having a pricing tab in the main menu that explains that - my one concern was that you&#x27;d have me fill out a whole questionnaire then try to charge me at the end before actually giving me the results.
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swyxover 3 years ago
very cool! what can you disclose about plans for pricing model&#x2F;revenue? first thing i look for in any startup that I&#x27;m about to try&#x2F;evangelize. i see that &quot;there&#x27;s no subscription&quot; in the FAQ - so you&#x27;re like an asset marketplace?<p>suggestion - dont make me signup just to try you out - see if you can bring out at least part of your process from behind your login wall.
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eastonover 3 years ago
This is really cool. I&#x27;m bad at making anything look good, so the more things like this the better.<p>I noticed you had Google Slides support (presumably for making themes based on the generated brand kit). Any chance of that coming to PowerPoint too? Making PowerPoint themes by hand is the worst, so anything to alleviate that would be welcome.
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blowskiover 3 years ago
I really struggle with design, so one of the main challenges I have launching any product is the UI.<p>But I&#x27;ve been promised these things in the past, and wasted money on them. 99 Designs, Freelancer, ThemeForest (including asking the theme developer for customisations). I&#x27;ve tried them all, and they&#x27;ve never worked. So I approach this fairly sceptically.<p>But I&#x27;d love to see it work.<p>Usually the biggest problem is not the up-front design - there are some lovely ones out there. It&#x27;s &quot;how do I map this solution for this problem into a UI that makes sense?&quot;. And I can&#x27;t imagine how you systematise that, but it would be amazing if you could.
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joshum97over 3 years ago
Nit: to me at least, &quot;Never deal with another freelancer&quot; comes off as unnecessarily harsh (even if it resonates with some). I understand the product is targeted to early-stage startups without the budget to hire someone, but it sounds like it&#x27;s putting down the idea of working with a designer altogether (see &quot;no need to hire a designer&quot;), when you could poise it as complementary to working with a designer eventually if we choose to do so.
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jorgeerover 3 years ago
I like this idea, but the app seems buggy. I tried to go through the initial steps, but in several places the Next button just did not work at all (After choosing logo fonts, choosing main color), just reloaded the page, and ended up in an inconsistent state with forever-loading icons. Gave up after 15 minutes of struggling. Chrome 95 on Manjaro.
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devops000over 3 years ago
Would be great to see a preview of Display ad or Landing page before purchasing for 800$. Is it human-made or generated by software?
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karaterobotover 3 years ago
&quot;Launch your product without hiring a branding consultant&quot; may be a more accurate way to describe this offering!<p>I get that this is more about branding than product design. But, I&#x27;d like to point out that if you are making a product, someone is doing the design for that product, whether they realize it or not.
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bobberkarlover 3 years ago
Alwx, this is a huge pain point . Is your tool generating a css file that i can reuse for the webapp itself?
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Cenkover 3 years ago
Looks very interesting, and definitely solves a problem. I wish there was a way to preview some sample designs without having to sign up – NewGlue from Stockholm does this quite well, I think: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;newglue.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;newglue.com</a>
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danoover 3 years ago
FYI, ublock origin blocks track.customer.io which is an alias for open.getparade.com and so the account verification step fails until ublock is disabled. I&#x27;d recommend moving to internal tracking rather than using customer.io, just my 2 cents of feedback.
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yeldarbover 3 years ago
Congrats on the launch! Really enjoyed using an early version for a hackathon project earlier this year. Hugely valuable to automatically start from something that looks good as an engineer without having to put much thought into it.
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kyaghmourover 3 years ago
How does your ML get fed and what guarantees actual ownership of the generated output?
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nojsover 3 years ago
Congrats on the launch! You are definitely addressing a real pain point here.<p>I would love to see this combined with a tool that helps with choosing an available domain name. I’ve used heaps of these and never found one that does it well.
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999900000999over 3 years ago
I&#x27;m very interested in this , but I&#x27;m still vague on what the pricing is.<p>Do I get AI generated logos and pay upon usage ?
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wizwit999over 3 years ago
This is actually pretty nice, way better than the spammy logo generator sites. Makes you a nice brand kit.
umitakcnover 3 years ago
First you should improve the quality of your website design, did you use your own tool to design the landing page?
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hizxyover 3 years ago
I do understand what you are offering. I think you should hire a good product designer.
raywuover 3 years ago
Your set up reminds me of Plato (W16?). I would give Parade a try. PM&#x2F;founder here.
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