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E-Shotgun

86 pointsby uapover 3 years ago

19 comments

glensteinover 3 years ago
I don&#x27;t have a lot to say about the functionality or specifications here, but I feel like there&#x27;s a new conceptual issue raised by non-lethal, or notionally non-lethal weapons.<p>Constitutional arguments are about the right to self-defense. That&#x27;s not necessarily the same as killing someone, and you don&#x27;t necessarily have a right to killing in and of itself, but only as a means to an end for self-defense. I suppose it depends on what flavor of defense of the second amendment you favor, but it seems like self-defense can be associated with incapacitation, need not necessarily depend on the capability of killing.<p>If that&#x27;s true, access to weapons for the purpose of self-defense that aren&#x27;t capable of killing would seem to open up a lot of possibilities for regulating traditional firearms. If (I said if!) there are equally effective alternatives for the purpose of self-defense, then that constitutional right can be satisfied without the need for traditional firearms that are capable of killing.<p>Insofar as they can replace traditional firearms, I find that promising, but obviously this brings a fair amount of unintended complexity; for instance non-lethal self defense may open up entirely new dimensions of cruel maiming and non-lethal suffering, it&#x27;s may create complexities relating to whether something&#x27;s actually non-lethal, it may have an effect of increasing the sum total of use of force by introducing non-lethal force into lower and lower stakes situations leading to a net increase of physical coercion, and there may be cultural resistance to the idea ever becoming mainstream because it would be too reformist and therefore liberal.<p>I think these all have to be navigated, but I think the trade-off is worth considering. I also think that strong gun regulation is worth considering, and personally just don&#x27;t endorse wide distribution of guns in any form whatsoever, so I consider this a workaround peculiar to the culture of America.
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Ancapistaniover 3 years ago
Consider me unimpressed.<p>First, there just isn’t a ton of energy in that “round”. They’re claiming &lt;16J - a .22LR, the smallest common caliber, comes in at around 275J. This thing is substantially less powerful than many BB guns.<p>Second, the disk shape of the projectile means that it’s going to be impossible to aim effectively. That thing is going to have significant vertical dispersion even at very short ranges.<p>It’s a toy.
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uapover 3 years ago
Electric coil, non-lethal, defense weapon. DemolitionRanch video: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=izW1X2555Wg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=izW1X2555Wg</a>
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hellisothersover 3 years ago
I was once in a session with a concealed carry license instructor and at the end of his session he made a couple surprising points. 1) if you’re going to shoot somebody, shoot to kill or prepare for a lawsuit. 2) There is a gun lobby, a taser lobby, a knife lobby, but no baseball bat lobby so don’t keep a baseball bat under your bed because when you injure somebody you’ll be sued and nobody will help defend you. 3) Buy pepper spray. I took his advise and bought pepper spray instead. My point here is there is also no rail gun lobby, so if you injure somebody, prepare to be sued.
claviskaover 3 years ago
Everything else aside, am I the only one who thinks putting two function keys right below the muzzle is a poor design?
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authedover 3 years ago
I&#x27;d rather get a PCP Air riffle... something like this one in .50 cal: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.airgundepot.com&#x2F;airforce-texan-air-rifle-carbon-fiber-tank.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.airgundepot.com&#x2F;airforce-texan-air-rifle-carbon-...</a>
causiover 3 years ago
16 joules, or roughly four times the energy of a Nerf dart. The local meth-heads are still shaking in their boots but it isn&#x27;t in fear of this toy.
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zeroflowover 3 years ago
I REALLY doubt the &quot;Good stopping effect&quot;. That&#x27;s the same as the flashlights with &quot;intruder stopping&quot; strobe.<p>They claim 16J. Well, a typical - Germany Legal - Airsoft gun has 7.5J, so we&#x27;re talking about toy-level of energy.<p>Now, looking at some 9mm ammo, you have around 500-570J depending on type - Ball vs. Hollow Point.<p>Yeah, it&#x27;s very clear to me, what I want to use if I have to defend myself.
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GauntletWizardover 3 years ago
note that in their demonstration video, they&#x27;re very careful not to show you the butt of the gun - I will bet that it&#x27;s plugged in. I seriously doubt they&#x27;ve got sufficient power supply in that profile.
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pull_my_fingerover 3 years ago
From the QA page[1]<p>&gt; 4. Who is the target user of e-shotgun?<p>&gt; 1. Players: lovers who like to play with guns.<p>Am I reading this right? The number 1 target user is BDSM kink players?<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;e-shotgun.com&#x2F;qa&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;e-shotgun.com&#x2F;qa&#x2F;</a>
eternityforestover 3 years ago
It&#x27;s cool, but aren&#x27;t pepper ball pistols a lot cheaper?
ObscureScienceover 3 years ago
What is this tagline supposed to mean? &quot;Fully electrified new energy near defense equipment, more a black technology fever product.&quot;
junonover 3 years ago
&gt; 3. Internet: it is combined with big data and it can be tracked during the whole process<p>The site feels like satire. Some of the Q&amp;A answers just make little sense.<p>Also, they claim it&#x27;s non-lethal. After the example videos, I cannot see how that is the case. It looks like it could easily shred through some stomach lining or nick an artery or completely blind someone.
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orioriover 3 years ago
First thought that came to mind after watching the video, imagine attaching it to a drone, mob suppression will never be the same again.
mantaraygunover 3 years ago
Why is it called a shotgun? It shoots little discs, not shot.
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faebiover 3 years ago
How would a cordless nail gun do in comparison?
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JoeyBananasover 3 years ago
just buy an Austrian black pistol
cwkossover 3 years ago
That looks like a lot of fun
IAmGraydonover 3 years ago
Yeah…sorry. If someone breaks into my house, they’re getting a bit more than 16J pointed their way.
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